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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:59 AM
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Obama is full of excuses...
In the public record there are 20 years of Hillary's tax returns, hundreds of thousands of pages of records from her time in White House and countless other documents detailing her time in public life. Sen. Obama's record is far more opaque.

Sen. Obama has not released his tax returns, except for 2006:

Obama has only released 2006 tax returns, ‘as for pre-2006 or 2007 returns, Burton says he ‘will keep you posted.’ Obama released his 2006 tax returns and said, ‘That’s been a policy I’ve maintained consistently. I think the American people deserve to know, you know, where you get your income from.’ “But it's not as though all Obama's returns from his entire time as a US Senator are available. Will Obama release all of those returns or, next month, his 2007 tax returns?…As for any pre-2006 or 2007 returns, Burton says he ‘will keep you posted.’”
Sen. Obama has not released any records from his time in the state senate:

Obama: ‘I don't have, I don't maintain a file of eight years of work in the state Senate because I didn't have the resources available to maintain those kinds of records.’ He added, ‘It could have been thrown out. I haven't been in the state Senate now for quite some time.’
Obama: 'I had one staff person that was what was allocated. I don't have archivists in the state Senate. I don't have the Barack Obama state Senate library available to me, so we had a bunch of file cabinets. I do not have a whole bunch of records from those years.'
Sen. Obama touts his new decision to disclose his U.S. Senate earmarks but he refuses to release all earmarks from his time in the state senate:

Obama has been silent on non-federal earmarks he secured while serving in State Senate. “Sen. Barack Obama is open about the pet projects he's tucked into federal legislation, but it's a different story when it comes to the extra spending he added to state budgets while serving in the Illinois Legislature…. When Obama served in the state Legislature, from 1997 until late 2004, it was routine for money to be added to the annual budget for lawmakers to dole out. In most years, this was done without any public record of which legislator was sponsoring which grant, leaving no way to tell how Obama used his share of the money.
Sen. Obama will not release the name of the broker who managed his controversial 'semi-blind' trust:

Obama refuses to name the UBS broker that purchased the stocks in his 'quasi-blind' trust. "Obama had about $100,000 he wanted to invest in 2005. The money was a portion of the $1.2 million he got from a book contract. He said Wednesday he decided the $100,000 could be put into something "more high risk" and asked a friend to recommend a stock broker. That friend was donor George W. Haywood, who held what the New York Times called "major" positions in the two stocks Obama ended up owning, Skyterra and AVI BioPharma…. Obama declined to name the UBS broker."
Sen. Obama will not disclose what cases he worked on that involved Tony Rezko or his companies:

Obama campaign has not released which cases Obama worked on involving Rezko/Rezmar. "Asked what Rezko cases Obama worked on, Miner (a firm partner) told the Sun-Times, 'We’ll put together a list of the cases he worked on involving Rezko/Rezmar in the next day or two.' That was March 13 <2007>. He never provided the information."
3/25/2008 11:04:59 AM #
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:00 AM
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1. Obama releases 6 years of tax returns. WHERE ARE HILLARY'S?
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:01 AM
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2. Bet the OP feels a little silly now.
And I want to see her tax returns since leaving the WH.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:04 AM
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5. where are his 2007 returns?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:07 AM
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10. Ummmmmmm....
...today is the 25th of March....they are NOT due until about 3 weeks from now, OK?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:09 AM
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13. But we want them today, sort of like you want Hillary's now
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:10 AM
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17. If Obama can release tax returns from 2000-2006, why can't Hillary? What is she hiding?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:11 AM
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21. Ummmmmmm....
...unless she is in violation of the IRC, her 2000 - 2006 returns are well past due. WTF is asking for the 2007?

So..where are the ones for 2000 - 2006?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:10 AM
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15. Where are Hillary's 2000 - 2006 returns? n/t
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:12 AM
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Obama is the front runner.. He will probably win the nomination.. He should come clean..
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:36 AM
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34. BS! Hillary hasn't dropped out. She has no credibility to issue ultimatums. Where's her information?
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 11:36 AM by ProSense
n/t
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:11 AM
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19. Ummn. Not due to be filed until April 15th like the rest of us.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:14 PM
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55. Are you sexist? Hillary Clinton is a capable person and can be held to the same standard as Obama.
Seriously, get a clue.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:03 AM
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3. As it seems Obama will be winning the Nomination.. This information should be released.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:04 AM
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4. how very troll of you
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:07 AM
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9. I guess anything I say negative about Obama makes me a troll.. People should just follow Obama
Blindly... Ok that makes sense...
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:12 AM
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23. No, only when you make lame unsubstantiated claims
with no facts to back you up, which are debunked in the first reply, are you considered a troll.

Oh and considering your posts from yesterday you ought to be grateful troll is all they are calling you :rofl: :rofl:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:12 AM
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24. What is very troll of you is that you stated a fact and someone replied with a countering fact
and then you skipped that to reassert your fact without proving or disproving the reply.

I have no idea if Obama has released only one year of tax records.

I just know that you ran away from the argument - and then played the victim


Yes you have the troll thing down very nicely.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:21 AM
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28. You are simply stirring shit. That's all.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:32 AM
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32. They should change this site to the Obama Underground.. one sided discussion
EVErything obama says is perfect, he never lies, never worked with lobbyists, never said a racist remark, the perfect candidate... HE must be a programed robot, because he doesn't seem human.. lol
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:11 AM
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22. Good one!
:)
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:05 AM
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6. he's toast
even if he wins the nomination, he is total toast in the GE. I give him one state.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:09 AM
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14. true that!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:12 AM
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25. And I give him 40...
so that makes 41!
:hi:
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:27 AM
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31. That's what I believe
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:46 AM
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39. Got to adore your Post Count/Arrival date!
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 11:49 AM by GalleryGod
Leads one to a credibility-free conclusion.

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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:05 AM
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7. What is Obama hiding.. that we should know about.?. Whatever it is
it will come up in the GE and it will hurt him..
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:08 AM
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11. Who wins this year's World Series? I want to place a wager and would like to use your crystal ball..
....:eyes:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:08 AM
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12. a lot!
I just got a list of the GOP 527 stuff. He is doomed in the GE!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:10 AM
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18. Wow....
...you are so closely linked with the GOP to get this kind of shit...maybe you don't belong on the DEMOCRATIC Underground.

Just a thought....
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:10 AM
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16. Rezko is what he is hiding
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:43 AM
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37. So what is your issue regarding Obama and Rezko? Or is it just another nonsense talking point?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:07 AM
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8. Hello???
Are you COMPLETELY stupid...or just mega uninformed?

As to releasing records on Rezko: The CLIENT, not the ATTORNEY, is the holder of the atty-client privilege. Billing records indicate what work was done for a client and they are confidential and privileged. They are NOT discoverable in a case unless there is some issue on a claim for attorneys fees AFTER THE CASE IS FINISHED and then the records are fucking SEALED by the court and inspected ONLY in camera.

How the hell can Obama release those records and NOT violate his oath as an attorney? He would be fucking disaplined by the IL bar for conduct like that UNLESS Rezko gave knowing and intelligent consent to have those billing records released. And...because it is a confidential and privileged matter, Obama cannot even comment as to the issue of whether Rezko was asked to allow a release. BTW: There is NO way during the course of a criminal proceeding that his defense attys would tell him to release any records which are privileged.

GMAFB.......:eyes: Get a clue or STFU and stop making a total fool of yourself!

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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:11 AM
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20. Obama idol said he would release the information... so I guess that makes Obama camp stupid too..
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 11:48 AM by JKaiser
"We’ll put together a list of the cases he worked on involving Rezko/Rezmar in the next day or two.' That was March 13 <2007>. He never provided the information."
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:16 AM
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27. Link?
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 11:19 AM by Hepburn
Hello again???

Attorney of Record is one thing ~~ that is a fucking PUBLIC RECORD. And, unless you are dumber than your posts even you should be able to understand the difference between that and confidential info contained on billing records. I have been the attorney of record on literally thousands of cases...and that is reflected in court records and/or correspondence with opposing counsel. But...that does NOT make billings on any of those cases non-confidential records subject to disclosure without the consent of the client.

And...most courts have searchable records....got to the IL court site and take a look for yourself. You should be competent enough to run a search, right?

:eyes:

Edit for typo


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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:23 AM
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30. okay
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:42 AM
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36. That quote does NOT appear in that article for which you supplied the link. Try again.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 11:43 AM by Hepburn
And even IF it did....Obama has less than -0- control over the intenal matters of a law firm for which he used to work. Even your quote reflects he is not the maker of the statement.

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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:47 AM
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40. YES IT DOES>> ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND!
"Another firm partner, Judson Miner, ran the city Law Department under Mayor Harold Washington, one of Obama's political idols.

Asked what Rezko cases Obama worked on, Miner told the Sun-Times, "We'll put together a list of the cases he worked on involving Rezko/Rezmar in the next day or two.''

That was March 13. He never provided the information."
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:53 AM
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43. LOL....
...So, tell us all why that does not come up on an edit search...and while you are at it, how Obama is suppose to release records over which he has -0- control?

ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:01 PM
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45. You obviously cannot read... I am sorry that you are an Elitist prick.. Maybe you should
join the other party..
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:03 PM
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47. A prick is a useful object....
...unlike you.

:rofl:
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:06 PM
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49. unlike you!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:10 PM
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51. Imitation is the higest form of flattery....
...LOL....!

Try doing come backs on your own, OK?

:rofl:
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:10 PM
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53. I thought your comeback was awesome.. so I used it!
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:10 PM
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54. I thought your comeback was awesome.. so I used it!
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:02 PM
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46. And then there was..

My Hero,General Hal Moore, who would've no doubt been accused of being a "flip lopper" by changing tactics when he called in "Broken Arrow" to Saigon, thus allowing the U.S. to destroy 2,105 PAVN with only 390 1st Air Cav Troopers. Yeah,sure,Kido!


General Moore(R) congratulates Major Bruce Crandall for winning the CMH that day. My ONLY visit to the East Room!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:14 AM
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26. *sigh*
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VinnieF Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:23 AM
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29. Another Hillarhoid for the ignore list.
God, this is like shooting fish in a barrel!

:rofl:
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:33 AM
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33. Enjoy your one sided discussion!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:45 AM
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38. You have to understand....
...in order to have a relevant discussion, one must have someone on the other side who is intelligent, well-informed and cogent.

You do not qualify on all and/or any of these qualities...and therefore any discussion with you is one-sided to begin with due to your deficiencies.

JMHO
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:03 PM
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48. Elitist, you don't know me. so quit acting like you do..
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:08 PM
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50. Oh, I know you....
...only too well.

I have represented thousands like you...unfortunately. You are just one of those who think they know it all and cannot stand to be wrong or to accept knowledge from someone who is wiser and more educated and more experienced.

Go on living in your small little world...don't let facts or knowledge stand in the way of making a total fool of yourself.

LOL...and yes, I am part of the elite as far as education, skill, training and experience goes ~~ I do not deny that in the least because to do so would be untruthful. I have a great deal of education and experience. If you have a problem with that, let me put in in a vernacular someone on your level would understand:

GO CHENEY YOURSELF! :hi:
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:07 PM
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52. I don't have a problem with you so called-education and experience. Good for you honestly!
I feel sorry for the people you represent because you don't seem like you have much of a heart or compassion. I don't know it all, and you obviously don't know it all either.. if you did you would have read that article instead of doing an edit search.. You are probably in your 30s or 40s compared to me who is graduating from high school this spring. I am attending college and have goals to further my education. I like to learn and learn from others.You haven't taught me anything except I am scum. I hope I don't lose my compassion to become a bitter person like you. Thanks for putting things on a level I can understand, I am sorry that you hate the people you represent. Just look at it this way, if there wasn't stupid, poor, struggling, uneducated, unsuccessful, african American, disabled, hopeless, helpless people like me you wouldn't be have anybody to look down at to make you feel good about yourself. You probably wouldn't have your wonderful job. I am sorry that you feel trapped in your life, that you don't get any respect. (I think you need a job change.) I am also sorry that you are sad and need hope in your life. I may be poor and stupid but I am not trapped I am not going to be oppressed by people like you. I am not mad at you anymore because I don't know what your background is.. You probably had a terrible childhood, your parents were very unloving, you probably are a lonely person with few meaningful friends. You probably take pride in your many degrees, your dog. You could be depressed or could have lost a loved one.. divorced maybe.. I don't know you but I cannot see you as a happy person. I hope you get some help for that. Well I hope you have a great day!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:13 PM
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56. Clients want an ass kicking machine in a courtroom...
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 03:15 PM by Hepburn
...they give a shit about being protected and having their case well prepared and having someone fighting for them.

If they want sympathy...they need to find a shrink...and not a lawyer, ok? My bills are NOT covered by Blue Cross/Blue Shield. Emotions are NOT a good thing in trial work where one has to be objective as to what really is going on.

And...I am nearly 60...and retired. And, btw, you are clueless. I taught the worst kids that no one would claim or take BEFORE I went to law school and I did a hell of a lot of pro bono work ~~ mostly for battered women and sexually abused children. So leave your opining where it fucking belongs...you have no clue about me other than I am successful and retired and have done anything and everything I set out to do.

And I have a masters in psychology on top of the law degree...so fuck off on the amateur guilt trip on me about about my horrible life. You just look more the fool to me.

:eyes:
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:52 AM
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42. Lots of those in the past 35 years.

Here's one: Hal Moore calling down an airstrike within a footbll field of our position!
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:50 AM
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41. Yay... Soon we can talk without juvenile Obama supporter interruption at all!
Keep on ignoring!
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:55 AM
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44. "Juvenile?" Well...

I'm on the far left; and you did what when you were only 22?
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:38 AM
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35. ...

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:21 PM
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57. I can't wait to mark my ballot for this weaseling cheater, Obama.
He reminds me all my favorite boyfriends.

Thank you for the inspiration, and GOBAMA!

(Hillary can still win my vote if we hear about Bill bangin' a campaign volunteer, or something. I lub me da bad boys!!!)
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