Imagine This: A Dem Who Lied About Being Under Sniper Fire Debating a Tortured War Hero Republican

[Dems Will Win]

Hillary is now damaged goods and likely cannot beat McCain for this reason.

I predict she will pull out before PA because of Tuzla and then the unraveling of all her other Baron von Munchausen statements on Macedonia, Ireland, Rwanda, etc.

Do you think Hillary will be forced out before PA? Between a huge slug of Super Delegates declaring for Obama, the media feeding frenzy killing Hillary on her perceived weakness: honesty (only 44% trust her -- compared to 63% for Obama and 67% for McCain), how her campaign NEVER went back to check her story after Sinbad disputed it, meaning she would run amok as President as her staff is obviously terrified to talk to her -- and the Obama campaign then weighing in, I think this will be too much to go on.

Plus she is broke AGAIN in primary dollars while O has $31 mil! And she has NOT paid herself back yet her own $5 million. The time to do that is growing short!

I think she will be forced out by funding, the media, the SDs, falling polls, and her own younger staff, who are dying to start working for Obama I hear.

IF YOU ARE A CLINTON SUPPORTER PLEASE CONTINUE KICKING THE FURNITURE, IF YOU ARE AN OBAMA SUPPORTER, RECOMMEND TO HELP GET THIS MEME OUT THERE!

[futureliveshere]

1. Good points.. but i doubt she will leave so soon.

PA will happen and if the latest Rasmussen poll is to be believed, Obama has narrowed her lead considerably and he hasn't even started canvassing there.

[Dems Will Win]

9. She is now putting her entire remaining politcal career on the line

I believe Dodd would easily beat her now for Senate Majority Leader when Reid leaves next year. Now she is down to her Senate seat, which RFK could easily take from her if he wanted.

Especially after Hillary supported Mountaintop Removal. That has GOT to piss off RFK.

[nels25]

67. Just slightly OT-I did not know that Reid was leaving

next year. I thought he was due for re-election to 2010.

Was this part of the deal when he was elected majority leader??:shrug:

[Dems Will Win]

81. There will be an election for Senate Majority Leader in January.

I doubt Reid will go for it again, or win anything, he's been such a wuss. It'll be Dodd against Clinton and Dodd will defeat her I predict.

Clinton did not take the Majority Post when Daschle lost because she would be too busy running for Prez. So she let Reid have it temporarily.

But it's hers dammit, if she can't be Prez. So Dodd will run to stop her so Obama does not have someone like Clinton to deal with in that post.

[ekwhite]

107. I think she will be Senate Majority Leader

as part of a deal to get her to withdraw from the race. She will be offered the post as a way to allow her to save face.

[eridani]

110. Dodd deserves it because of his anti-FISA filibuster n/t

[FightTheRight89]

128. Reid's leaving?

[Recursion]

129. Not leaving the Senate, just getting nudged out as majority leader

The rank and file aren't happy with him

[FightTheRight89]

150. Where'd you hear this?

That would be a big development.

[iconocrastic]

77. Imagine Obama telling him "We never should have been in Viet Nam in the first place"

[progressive_realist]

98. That's absolutely true.

All those casualties were for nothing. Vietnam is still Communist, but the domino effect failed to materialize. Much like Iraq, the Vietnam War was pushed on the nation by chicken-hawks who thought they were ever so clever but turned out to be complete morons. Shame we never tried any of them for war crimes. Hopefully this time we will.

[The Night Owl]

2. "Plus she is broke AGAIN while O has $31 mil!"

Yep... Having money sure made a difference for Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. LOL!

[grantcart]

This is the real point - the Bosnia slip up is going to hurt her fund raising

that is why they addressed it at all

[Major Hogwash]

124. Her lie about Bosnia, it was no slip, it was a lie - came at the worst possible time for Hillary.

Maybe she can tell her fans she was under sniper fire and then characterize it as "a slip", but the news of her lie will be in the Stars and Stripes military newspaper later, and it won't impress anyone who is stationed overseas now.

Hillary just lost the military vote, by a landslide.

[kwenu]

22. McCain is also barely funded himself even though he's the Repub nominee.

You'd think the Hillary supporters would put their money where their mouth is.

[redqueen]

29. Every time I think of the financial state her campaign is in...

I remember the posts here saying that Edwards just HAD TO drop out, because his campaign was broke.

I wonder where all those people went.

[havocmom]

68. those people are probably hoping the rest of us don't do any advanced searches

:evilgrin:

Good point about the money issue and the OP's point that fudging truth about being under fire will have SERIOUS blow back against a real vet and former POW. It would make the Dukakis Tank Moment look like sheer genius by comparison.

Hillary is done. Somebody needs to send in an emergency team to make that point with her campaign. It's now just about her inability to face facts that her lifetime dream is not gonna happen.

Most of us have faced the reality that we don't get to do everything we had our hearts set on. It would be helpful if HRC would do likewise. We don't all get to be the boss.

[D23MIURG23]

142. neither of whom were ever the front runner.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. Hillary is damaged goods.

[leftofcool]

4. Imagine an ineffective anti war liberal with no foreign policy

experience going up against a war hero, expecially when the 527 groups start with Rashid Khalidi, The Woods Fund, The Arab American Network, God damn America and a whole host of other Bullshit.

[TwilightGardener]

20. Why are you attacking Obama from the right? Aren't you a Democrat?

[lumberjack_jeff]

147. You *did* read the OP, didn't you?

Our candidate, who will not be a war hero, will debate one who is.

In this culture, a woman debating this person will look less diminished than another man would.

The entire point of the op is fatally flawed for this reason.

Wait and see how the RW contrasts the activities of BO and JM during their youth. It will suck like nothing has ever sucked before. It will be a new benchmark of suck. At that point, DU'ers will wonder why they didn't listen to ol' Jeff who advised that it was necessary to take the gloves off, place brass knuckles inside then put them back on.

But no. We're into hope.

[karynnj]

46. It's worse - to the right she is an ineffective anti war liberal with no foreign policy

to the left, she is one who waited until 2006 to really speak against the war and who led the effort to hobble anyone trying to establish a Democratic plan to get out.

[pocoloco]

103. My God Man!! It's her own damn fault!

She told the lie enough that she beleives it????

LOL

[fascisthunter]

115. So the "liberal" Part is a Negative in Your Book, Huh?

I'd love to see you try to substantiate your judgment without using stereotypes.

[TLM]

134. The people who that slime will work on....

weren't going to vote for Obama to begin with.

[RT_Fanatic]

144. "War hero"?

I never understood this. Yes, McLame was captured. He was a POW. BUT he sang like a bird in order to get better medical treatment. A "war hero" would have given only three pieces of information: Name, Rank, Serial Number. He is/was a BIG WUSSY.

McCain is a "war hero" in the same sense that HRC braved sniper fire.

Both McCain and HRC make me want to :puke:

Yours Truly,
The Central Scrutinizer

[Danger Mouse]

153. So, how many times have you been tortured by the Viet Cong?

[samdogmom]

5. If we sink to this level we're "screwn" (to quote a freeper).

Bottom line: Hillary is simply unelectable!!!

I hope her supporters grasp this fact soon---she needs to sink into oblivion NOW!

[grantcart]

6. over and over and over again by the 527s

[Karaokedude]

7. The CBS report...

was unambiguous. So how will things proceed - will it blow over or will it prove to be another point of attachment to pull her down by?

[Hepburn]

8. Shudder....

...OMG......!!

[KittyWampus]

10. that is some fanciful thinking- she'll drop out. Not realistic

[Dems Will Win]

12. Mark my words. This is a campaign-ender. Just like Giuliani getting caught in his lies

[tyne]

14. I think the OP is spot on

[dchill]

26. I agree - she doesn't have it in her.

She would have to be "strongly advised" - by the superdelegates. Then she might still not get it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. TAYLOR MARSH said she really Blew this one.... Taylor Marsh for god's sake

Taylor Marsh: I've had a problem with the whole "experience" argument from the start. As with Obama, then you have to prove it, which hasn't been especially impressive on his behalf.

...

But Hillary Clinton trying to prove her importance during her husband's presidency overreached massively and got caught in a whopper on Bosnia that includes tape. Now to be fair, the trip wasn't completely safe from danger, but no one cares now. We remember her well received foreign policy speech from last week, which included the words shown above, with the video tape evidence circulating today that blows what she said in a major foreign policy speech to smithereens. It's a self-inflicted wound that is by no means fatal, but definitely foolish.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/25/111852/289/288/483798

[Kittycat]

16. When did TM write that?

She's a foaming at the mouth supporter, I'm shocked she'd admit that.

ETA: Nevermind... it's in the link :)

[TwilightGardener]

19. It's fatal. There's no way to live this down. Massive lie, got caught, looks ridiculous.

It's over.

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. The next debate will be fun with

One of the Rats noticing the listing and amount of water the bowels of Clinton Campaign
ship has taken on. The link to Taylor in at Kos, I'm not giving her site a hit unless it
goes through Kos first.


I can see the debate now.

[TwilightGardener]

24. That photo--LOL!

[Occulus]

33. He better not make her angry

She might use her secret Jedi powers:

[DearAbby]

35. My God that photo

Devastating

[Dems Will Win]

40. She said she was "doging" bullets? Hmm

[Dystopian]

120. oh my.

That picture is hilarious!
Thank you.....:rofl:


peace~

[Major Hogwash]

125. It is fatal, because even Andrea Mitchell, a respected newswoman, was there.

And she couldn't even believe the story when she first heard it.

It is a huge lie and it will damage her career from here on.

People who have been shot at know what it is like, and they don't appreciate it when someone tries to score political points by lying about it.

Almost everything she said about the Bosnia trip was cultured by her trying to make the trip sound so dangerous.

[dkf]

23. Taylor Marsh said that? Unfreakingbelievable.

Hillary must really be in trouble if TM can admit it.

[Hugabear]

45. Taylor Marsh is a Judas, and you're linking to a known anti-Hillary site

I'm sure that will be the spin pretty soon.

[Ysabel]

86. love that poll at dkos (your link)...

Poll

Will Hillary Clinton do anything and saything -- lie, cheat and steal -- in order to win the nomination?

97% Yes, hide the silver! 232 votes

3% No, stop being mean to poor lil' Hillary! 8 votes

[BeyondGeography]

13. Even worse, a WOMAN who lied about sniper fire

Makes it look as if she wants too badly to be one of the boys.

And, yes, that's not fair, but we knew that already.

[Dems Will Win]

15. IT's not just Bosnia tho. She is a Serial Exaggerator

She will be Gored over the next 2 weeks, and there's no way out. She can't make "The Speech" like Obama did, so her campaign will be totally on the ropes, getting beaten to a pulp.

The only ref who can call the fight is Bill Clinton, because she wants to show him up and be a better President. So she'll never give up.

Bill will call it in the end, out of pity and fear of hurting their future business and charity deals.

Mark my words.

[Justitia]

18. Yeah, like how she developed S-CHIP when she actually wrote AGAINST it. -eom

[Skwmom]

89. A lie is a lie. It is not an embellishment, an exaggeration, a "big fish" story

or anything else the media has been calling it

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. It's so totally sexist.

As a woman, Hillary has to work twice as hard to be shot at by snipers as any male candidate.

[Independent-Voter]

57. lol!

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[Bigleaf]

75. lol. Priceless!

:rofl:

[JNelson6563]

151. Yes, usually when one lies it's because

they don't believe the truth to be good enough.

[Vinca]

27. I heard another odd story on a local radio talk show this a.m.

Something about after 9/11, Hillary was interviewed by Jane Pauley and told a story about Chelsea out jogging in NYC the morning of 9/11 and that she was headed toward the towers, but stopped for coffee and the planes hit, but Chelsea heard them from inside the coffee shop. Then Chelsea wrote a piece for some magazine about the same time frame and said she watched it all on television from a friend's apartment and pretty much told an opposite story from what her mother had told. It's a little disturbing, given we've lived with 8 years of a lying administration, to think we have a serious contender who exaggerates and makes things up.

[TwilightGardener]

31. Very strange, indeed. Almost like she believes the truth is just too boring.

Gotta jazz it up a little.

[anigbrowl]

59. Newsmax-originated rumor

http://mediamatters.org/items/200707130010
http://mediamatters.org/items/200705290006

[ecstatic]

28. I'm sure her Rovian tactics could overcome it

Remember Kerry vs. AWOL Bush? And no, I have no respect for her tactics.

[karynnj]

50. Except Awol Bush had the echo chamber - radio and cable,

stating daily that he was not AWOL, really wanted to go to Vietnam (forget that box marked "NO"), and most strangely - that it was dangerous flying those TANG planes (yeah, I concede with Bush as pilot, maybe). In addition, they had all these 15 minute of fame people - some not even in Vietnam at the same time as Kerry people - telling stories that he was too aggressive and a coward - neither coming close to what anyone said in the 1960s when he was there.

We not only don't have that - commentators on our side, for the most part, would reject this role.

[cindyw]

30. If the exaggerator line worked on Gore, It will work on her.

[WinkyDink]

32. Point well-taken. But imagine this: A Purple-Heart war hero losing to an AWOL Guardsman.

I knew you could.

And claiming to be at the Liberation of Dachau never hurt Reagan (who never left the states).

[Dems Will Win]

34. Yes because the DEMS ARE ALWAYS BEING ACCUSED OF BEING UNPATRIOTIC LIARS

While the Repubs get off scot-free.

Actually having video of the lie is a campaign ender. Doubtful she will last until PA.

[karynnj]

42. Differece is the Purple heart winner ( with a Silver Star and Bronze DemocratStar) was a

not a Republican. The RW never was able to really accept reality - a real genuine war hero went on to protest the war and become a MA Senator. (John Wayne wasn't from MA)

The Reagan early Alzheimer's event was after he was President.

[stevenleser]

118. There was never any video in either situation you mentioned though...

the video of Hillary & Chelsea landing in Bosnia is completely and utterly damning.

[politicallore]

36. Against McCain, hillary was always damaged goods... most normal democrats would think about voting

for mccain anyway... He is very close to hillary

[karynnj]

37. In 2004 we did have a real war hero vs a man who staged mission accomplished

So, if the media situation were the opposite from what it is, it would work. As it is, it will be an ad that makes itself. Her explanation makes it worse. (If she were President, I hope to God that Democrats with integrity and gravitas do NOT defend her on this idiocy.

[Araxen]

38. Excellent Post

Couldn't have said it better myself. The sooner the Clinton supporters take the blinders off the better. :smoke:

[ClassWarrior]

39. IF YOU ARE AN OBAMA SUPPORTER - HELP GOTV!! LINK...

Volunteer now to make calls...

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/actioncenter

It's now or never, folks!!

NGU.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

51. Just created Obama for Elmbrook!

We didn't have a local group yet, so I started one.

[Dems Will Win]

53. Now you will meet all the best people in your town!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

55. They're going to be so disappointed when they meet me!

First order of business: Toss Jeff in Milwaukee out of our group!

[ClassWarrior]

62. You go, Jeff!

I'll watch for the meetings.

:toast:

NGU.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

70. I already have a member and three friends!

Lots of activity on that site!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

41. Dukakis without the tank....

nt

[Bensthename]

43. How the hell can she "misspoke" about being shot at? AND

Where was she if not in Bosnia when she was shot at. This is truely revealing if she can not answer this question. I think it tells the people a very scarey picture of her.
If she tells us where she was at she will be fine.

[Dems Will Win]

44. The press has already reported that she was NEVER around sniper fire

Bosnia was the most dangerous place she ever went and there had been PEACE for a year.

It's a total campaign-ending fabrication.

She will have to drop out before PA now.

[Bensthename]

47. THEN WHERE WAS SHE? HILLARY MUST ANSWER THIS. Sorry for the caps

[Dems Will Win]

48. She was in Baron Von Munchausen's Flying Balloon Made out of Ladies Underwear

The Baron reminded her of what really happened in Bosnia.

[mzmolly]

49. You said it.

She's no longer viable.

[BumRushDaShow]

52. K&R

:kick:

[Az_lefty]

54. that picture is totally appropriate...

[Dems Will Win]

58. "Who me? Lie?"

Captions Anyone?

[Independent-Voter]

56. She's gotta milk those low-educated, older, white women to pay the bills

HRC's in this for the long haul.

[knixphan]

71. sadly, yep.

The Roseannes will accept nothing less.

[VotesForWomen]

80. unfortunately for O, there probably aren't enough ignorant young folks, racist blacks, and hip latte

sipping elites to push him over the tp in the GE. geez, you are really embarassing yourself and your candidate; if O gets the the nom, he's going to be in big trouble, given the huge segments of the GE electorate that he has alienated. case you didn't know, the GE population is a little different than dem primary voters.

[SOS]

85. What about the Vermont left-wing freaks?

"The Club for Growth, a conservative group, has put (liberals) in a $100,000 advertising campaign in Iowa. The group's attack advertisement, which made its debut on Des Moines television on Wednesday, shows a husband and wife talking about Howard Dean's proposal to repeal the Bush tax cuts.

''Howard Dean,'' the husband says, ''should take his tax-hiking, government-expanding, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New-York-Times-reading'' -- at which point the wife interrupts to finish the sentence -- ''body-piercing, Hollywood-loving, left-wing freak show back to Vermont, where it belongs.''"

[Independent-Voter]

91. So I'm now a young, black, latte-drinking hipster? Sweet! I woke up this morning as a 38 y/o

white guy with too much grey in my hair!

[biglefthander]

135. you're funny...

...since the ignorant (and Rush listener) vote is squarely for Hillary. And 90% of blacks are racists then? And what is so evil about sipping a latte? I enjoy one every day. I make my own.

I would rather lose with Obama than run Hillary as our standard-bearer. Hillary is a pathological liar and an embarrassment to the party. She should team up with Traitor Joe and run 3rd party.

[Danger Mouse]

154. what an ugly post. Obama has received the vast majority of the black vote. are you tryng to sa.y..

that the majority of blacks are racist?
go ahead.
i dare you.

[razorman]

60. In spite of all this, I think she will stay in until the bitter end.

She will claw and scratch her way through, regardless of the consequences for the coming election or her party. I believe she feels entitled to this, and resents a relative newcomer like Obama stealing her thunder. I think her plan now is to hang in, and hope that against all odds, some scandal or something causes Obama to drop out and leave the nomination to her.

[Dems Will Win]

61. I really don't think so, She and Bill will talk and they will realize they can;t win now AND going

on will cost them millions in the loan not paid back and a far-reduced capacity to fundraise for the CGI and Clinton Library in the future.

Also Bill's speaking fee just probably plunged from $300,000 to $90,000, so that's gotta hurt.

[razorman]

78. I wasn't aware of that. So, you could be right.

When it actually affects their pocketbooks, the Clintons may see reason. She will not drop out for the sake of party unity, though.

[Life Long Dem]

63. She tried.

Here's how it was suppose to go.
A Democratic woman who was under sniper fire debating a tortured Republican war Hero.

[susankh4]

64. I am sure that Mr. McCain understands....

that landing under "sniper fire" means landing within a certain radius, and time period after the last incident has occurred.

I am also quite certain that Mr. McCain understands lending oneself money to run a campaign.... in fact, we have documentation that he has done the same. And he had to borrow to do so. And he took out life insurance to satisfy the bank that their money would be recovered.

The idiocy of some Obama supporters is beyond comprehension. But, thankfully... Mr. McCain is not one of them.

[Dems Will Win]

66. The radius was non-existent, as there had been a truce for over a year

and there had been no sniper fire since then. So the last incident was over a year earlier.

Sorry. Try again though! Apparently unlimited chances for ignorant Hillary supporters!

[redqueen]

72. What is it with the coziness between the Clintons & McCain?

[Danieljay]

116. you are delusional... even if there was 'sniper fire', its all on tape including the welcoming

ceremony. She said they ran for cover when the plane landed. Straight for the waiting cars. Umm, which radius were the cars in?

Shes toast.

[Dems Will Win]

117. Burned toast

[rucky]

65. I don't work too hard to get any of the DU memes out there...

at least the ones that make a Dem look bad.

I'll trash Hillary to hell here, but I keep it in the family.

[faithfulcitizen]

69. lol!

[knixphan]

73. I feel bad for the young HRC staff...

They got the polka band playing at HRC central, And you know they want to just bolt across the street to the hot, progressive nightclub before the line goes around the block.

Can they get across the street before Bill sees 'em?

[nels25]

74. Also consider this

I was listening to the Ed Schultz show this AM and he was talking to a guest who mentioned in passing that Hillary has so far gotten a pass on Travelgate and Filegate even though the special prosecutor in that case while not bring charges found that she had been untruthful, he just was unable to prove it due to a lack of cooperative witnesses.

I have read up on it a little and the final reports do not paint a flattering picture of Hillary or her propensity with the truth.

The guest noted that the Democrats may not want to drag this up from 15 years ago.

Bet me that the GOP will not.

We all know that GOP 527's are even now preparing ads, one can just see Billy Dale asking the country where he can get his reputation back (read up on that one it he was railroaded-trunped up charges found innocent within 45 minutes).

Hillary + honesty factor against McCain, no contest the public will trust McCain if for no other reason his time in a North Vietnamese POW camp will carry more weight compared to Hillary's shenanigans.:banghead:
:hide:

[apocalypsehow]

76. Exactly right - your post is spot-on. K & R.

:thumbsup:

[Name removed]

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[northernsoul]

90. Welcome to Ignoresville

What's your FR username?

[quantass]

82. kr

[Dems Will Win]

83. kick

[Tatiana]

84. Hillary Clinton has to decide whether this 5% is worth her entire career.

Cause after the "kitchen sink" strategy, she has left an enormous wake of Democrats and party insiders who are absolutely livid with her. Barbara Boxer refuses to campaign for her. John Lewis switched to Obama. Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson endorsed Obama. These are people who have had long-standing personal relationships with the Clintons.

If she continues with this destructive campaign, she may be jeopardizing her career in the Senate. The seat is RFK's for the taking. Who is going to work with her? Who is going to put her in a position of leadership? Kerry? Kennedy? Durbin? Boxer? Feingold? Reid? She has to go back and work with these people.

Not only has Bill trashed his reputation and popularity as a former president, but Hillary's campaign has now called their previous WH tenure into question. Were they always like this? So calculating? So willing to tear others down for their own selfish gain?

[Ysabel]

87. k and r (n/t)...

[Vinca]

88. Can you imagine a debate between a former POW and this

G.I. Jane wannabe? I agree with the OP. She's damaged goods. Time to pack it in and go home to Chappequa and write adventure novels.

[txaslftist]

95. That former POW used his father's status to AVOID torture.

He's going to be swiftboated like nobody has ever seen, come the general election.

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[Recursion]

130. Attacking McCain's military record is a non-starter. Period

His behavior in prison was nothing short of heroic. He was offered better facilities and even release given his political importance and refused it while there were still other POWs there. In terms of his military service, 40 years ago, this guy is the real deal and there's no winning strategy to attack that. Period.

[txaslftist]

152. You think so? Because I don't think so.

There's a lot more to this story than greets the eye.

[Hieronymus]

92. Now, there's a picture that escaped the photoshop.

[txaslftist]

93. not to split hairs, but McCain lied about being tortured.

[Recursion]

132. Except McCain actually was tortured

Ever notice how he can't lift his arms much past his waist? That's because they hung him by his wrists with his arms behind his back after he refused to go on video condemning the war in return for being released.

Attacking McCain's military record, particularly his POW experience, is a losing strategy, and is morally wrong.

[GeorgeGist]

94. some war hero ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3058496

[txaslftist]

96. And there's this, lurking in his shadow...

Top Cop Says McCain Was Never Tortured
Former Vietnam vet with top secret clearance - Republican frontrunner is "a lying skunk"
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, February 7th, 2008



A former Vietnam veteran with top secret clearance says he has personally spoken to numerous POW's who dispute John McCain's claim that he refused to provide information after he was captured and tortured in Hanoi, saying that in fact McCain's code-name was "Songbird" because of his willingness to tell all to avoid torture.

Jack McLamb served nine years in secret operations in Cambodia and other nations before going on to become one of the most highly decorated police officer's in Phoenix history, winning police officer of the year twice before taking a role as a hostage negotiator for the FBI.

"I know a lot of Vietnam veterans and a few POW's and all the POW's that I've talked to over the years say that John McCain is a lying skunk," McLamb told the Alex Jones Show.

[Dems Will Win]

100. Makes Sense

[Taxmyth]

97. First Lady flies into war zone to boost morale of troops stationed there

This plays well against Senator McCain's military credentials. I don't see Senator Obama having anything like that on his resume and Americans support their troops.

[Vickers]

140. "This plays well against Senator McCain's military credentials."

:rofl:

[David Zephyr]

99. The ridicule that M. Dukakis took over his military helmut & tank ride will be tame in comparison.

You make a very excellent observation, Dems Will Win.

K&R.

[slinkerwink]

102. who me? That little girl faced sniper FIRE for me!!!!!!

[usregimechange]

104. She was under so much stress at the time and she was shot at so often, how could she remember?

[jeff30997]

105. K&R

[Politicalboi]

106. For Pa Obama should keep talking

NAFTA, NAFTA, NAFTA. I hope your right that she does drop out soon. She is losing after all. But now she is morphing into Tanya Harding. Move-On should put out commercials about the "Sniper Fire" lie. Pa has a lot of Vets there and they would find it insulting to them as well.

[ekwhite]

108. I will reply, but I can't recommend

I agree with your analysis that the Tuzla incident, along with other cases where she 'misspoke' about her qualifications, have seriously hurt her campaign. I also agree that the funding realities will force her to drop out.

I strongly disagree with using an unflattering post of Senator Clinton and the taunting of Clinton supporters. They are Democratic party activists who strongly support a candidate you dislike, but they are still Democratic party activists, and we will need them in November. Every insult and taunt makes it a little harder to elicit their support after the inevitable happens.

[Lucky 13]

109. Love the picture!

KICK

[IowaGuy]

111. Maybe McCain is not the hero his media image suggests....

clipped from a response to some Blog on Time (Swampland I think)....

have not had the time to personally fact check yet but thought I should save...

"On October 26, 1967, U.S. Navy Lt. John McCain was shot down over North Vietnam by a Soviet-made surface-to-air missile. As a result of ejecting from his plane, McCain suffered two broken arms and a broken leg. He was immediately captured by an angry mob and turned over to NVA soldiers, who broke his shoulder with a rifle butt and stabbed his foot with a bayonet. He was then taken to the infamous 'Hanoi Hilton'.Once in a cell, and interrogated daily McCain agreed to talk within seven days in exchange for medical treatment. He was then taken to a nearby hospital. McCain described the events in his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers, in which he said: "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate any medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

But McCain gave up more than that. He volunteered highly classified information, the most important of which were the "package routes", that is the exact flight path/s, altitudes and turns used by the Navy to reach various targets in North Viet Nam. In addition he revealed specific targets the Navy was interested in which included factories, railroads, fuel and ammunition dumps and artillery positions. It wasn't long before the enemy moved their guns. This information lead directly to a 60% increase in the loss of his fellow aviators during the next 30-60 days until such time the Navy realized what had happened and changed tactics. All POW's captured for the (approximate) length of time McCain was there received at least one and sometimes two promotions in rank when they were released, depending on their time in grade. McCain received none.

The North Vietnamese Army discovered that Lt. McCain was the son of Adm. John McCain Jr., commander of the Pacific Fleet, and his grandfather was Adm. John McCain Sr. who commanded aircraft carriers under Adm. Bill Halsey in the Pacific during World War II. Because of his family's powerful military heritage, the NVA believed that Lt. McCain would one day hold a prominent position in the U.S. government. He then became the target of re-education, some sessions were reportedly conducted by Soviet officers. McCain has said that he was regularly visited by senior communist Vietnamese officials. One visitor was famous NVA Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap. Eventually, McCain signed a letter claiming to be a war criminal and apologizing for the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. He also did many radio and television interviews, some with foreign correspondents, a severe violation of the military code of conduct."

[eridani]

112. Swiftboat him with the truth

Only research the bejeezus out of it first!

[gear_head]

126. how is it known, what McCain said to the N Vietnamese? n/t

[depakid]

113. Like most neophytes- you're dreaming

Hillary is not going to drop out of the race.

As to Obama debating McCain- in the debates I've seen so far, he hasn't shown me much in tete a tetes- his rhetorical style is far better suited for high minded oratory than going for the jugular, which for seasoned observers, is cause for concern.

Moreover, compared side by side against McCain, his lack of experience is going to be a LOT more glaring than any statements Hillary's made. If he's the nominee- that's going to be an issue that will be very difficult to overcome.

[Willo]

114. The lie is bad enough,

the explanation lie bothers me more.

When my sons would try this I'd say "so now, you're saying I'm REALLY stupid?"

That's the way I think when people use dumb lies to cover lies.

Playing bridge, I learned the phrase "when you find yourself in hole...stop digging"

I wonder how many people are watching how she delivers the explanation lie. I see little difference from most other statements. Which is which?

[stevenleser]

119. And the video is game set match

[Dystopian]

121. Great post. k&r eom.

peace~

[maximusveritas]

122. I get your point, but we need to avoid building up the "war hero" meme for McCain

Yes, we should respect his service (unlike what they did to Kerry), but we don't need to go so far as to call him a war hero. Not even many Democrats called Kerry a war hero and he deserved the label just as much as McCain.

[FrenchieCat]

123. Yep...that's not going to work!

[lligrd]

127. Vs. A War Hero Repuke Who Belittled His Country Under

torture and still supports it. I know Hillary's lies were the subject but I just can't let McCain pass either. The guys military experience consists of getting caught, tortured and giving in. How does that qualify someone to be Commander in Chief?

[MaraJade]

131. Imagine this: A Dem who took Cocaine Debating a Tortured War Hero Republican. . .

What I find interesting is that Obama supporters actually think that Hillary supporters will just
flock to his side if she disappears. . . this speaks tons about their arrogance and hubris.

If you are an Obama supporter, keep on dreaming of all of the Hillary supporters who will shift over to
Obama.

And--BTW--Good Luck in the GE!

[krawhitham]

133. We have a Rethug President NOW that used Cocaine, what is your point

[GrimReefa]

139. I hope the Roe era was fun, then

Go ahead, refuse to vote for Obama. We'll see how hard you laugh when the Supreme Court decides it's the government's business if you have an abortion, after all.

[Norrin Radd]

136. kr

[bjnumb9]

137. Clinton camp offers photographic proof of snipers in Bosnia

[JTFrog]

138. Clinton and McCain have more in common than you think.

John McCain tries to do damage control on his ridiculous photo op in the Baghdad market that required a small Army to show us that it was safe there. His visit required 100 American soldiers, with three Blackhawk helicopters, two Apache gunships overhead, hidden snipers and bulletproof vests. His excursion included a Rug Shopping Spree at an Iraqi street vendor with Senator Lindsey (”I bought 5 rugs for 5 bucks“) Graham (R-SC) and Rep. Mike (”like a normal outdoor market in Indiana“) Pence (R-IN).

McCain said he regrets comments he made after a tour of Baghdad last Sunday, when he said he could see progress and the American people were not being told the “good news” about the war, according to excerpts of his comments and a press release provided by “60 Minutes.”

…”Of course I am going to misspeak and I’ve done it on numerous occasions and I probably will do it in the future,” said McCain, according to “60 Minutes”. McCain acknowledged in this “60 Minutes” interview that he had been accompanied by heavy security during his trip.

[WillyT]

141. Great Point !!! - K& R !!!

:kick:

[Baby Snooks]

143. She was just confused

What she meant to say was she was a prisoner of war in Bosnia which the media for some reason ignored. She was released after Bill Clinton caved in and met the demands for her release and Monica Lewinsky was dispatched to Bosnia to demonstrate the joy of cigar sex.

Let's see John McCain top that one.

[Hugh109]

145. Hilary's Future Looks Dim

Hilary's story of being fired upon while traveling is typical of her lack of credibility. I cannot support anyone that lies with the ease at which she does. We cannot tolerate anymore liars like her in the White house. Go Hilary Go..... into that quite good night!

[NoFederales]

146. kick

NoFederales

[grantcart]

148. and it will come up in any debate

and the 527 commercials

[lumberjack_jeff]

149. Arguing to support Obama on the basis that Hillary can't debate McCain on military service...

... is a transcendentally foolish argument, simply because Obama can't either.

Neither candidate is going to be able to debate from this perspective. We will need to change the subject to topics more germane to the job of POTUS.

[Scurrilous]

155. Kick

:thumbsup: