The Sniper Flap itself is no big deal. But it reflects a Larger Big Deal about the Clintons

[Armstead]

If that were an isolated incident, the "misstatement" about dodging sniper fire wouldn't matter much.

But it does matter because it reflects a larger pattern of The Clintons and their estranged relationship with the truth.

She could have made her point by saying that she had been in dangerous areas as First Lady, using that as an example.

But Noooooo........She had to embellish it to the point where she needlessly turned a truth into a Big Lie. And one that completely undermined her original point.

That has been a pattern for The Clintons throughout their political career. They lie and distort the truth for what could almost be described as self-destructive pathological reasons.

This is the essence of "The Meaning of Is." This tendency to avoid plain-spoken truth long ago became so bad that no one can ever take what either Hillary or Bill at face value.

This lack of honesty has many manifestations on many levels -- from the trivial to the major levels of policy and behavior.

The most infamous example is Bill Clinton's lying about Monica. He could have told the truth or refused to answer the question in testimony. Later, when it broke, he could have defelcted it by saying "This is a personal matter and I will not make a comment on it at this time." Or he could have done a Spiutzer and at least acknowledge his transgression and apologized for it.

But Noooooooo.....Instead he got angry at the victim and everyone else by self-righteously calling it a lie and shaking his finger at us all.....Thus he allowed it to mushroom into a prolonged national crisis, because he could not bring himself to just tell the truth. Had he done that in the beginning, it would have been embarassing -- but a whole lot less damaging and embarassing than it became.

And he would have spared the country endless analysis of whether oral sex constitutes "sexual relations" or not.

That's just become expected behavior from the Clintons. You just never know what they really mean. If one of them were to say "It's a sunny day," many Americans would be sure to take along an umbrella.

There was no need to lie about rushing from the plane under sniper fire. But that ol' Clintonian reflex kicked in. No big deal on its own terms. But as a pattern of behavior a very big deal.

[NightWatcher]

1. blurring the line between "misstatement" and pathological

the repugs will have another field day with this. they already had 8 years of beating up Bill and we want to give them 4 years of beating up on Hillary??? We already lost the majority with a Clinton in office. Our majority now is too slim to do it again.

[roguevalley]

35. I think its a big big deal because it shows someone willing to

EXPLOIT the troops. She used them and that moment to make a statement about her abilities as COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF and she USED the troops. My nephew was there actually getting shot at and
she was lying about herself. She's exploiting the troops. Does that remind you of someone?

She will NEVER get my vote.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Actually, I'm one of the few who think that the sniper lie IS a big deal, in and of itself--

it wouldn't be if it was just someone else's word against hers, or if there was some inconsistencies in the way she described the details--she would get some benefit of the doubt, because McCain's memory is failing, and he's pretty inconsistent on his statements and positions. But she was clearly telling a tall tale, and asserting that her account was the way it happened. She even insisted, "And that's what happened", as if her recall was crystal clear. And then the video--jsut damning. No, even a Republican would have a hard time living this down, but you add the Clintonian history of dishonesty, and you've got a fatal wound.

[Armstead]

11. They all occasionally embellish the truth -- It's the pattern though

[TwilightGardener]

14. There was very little "truth" to embellish here. That's the problem.

She took what was a very secure and unremarkable situation and turned it into a harrowing tale of bravery under fire.

[Armstead]

29. I'm not going to argue with you, because I agree with you

[Voice for Peace]

18. I think the context in which she made this claim is the real problem.

In asserting her superior experience, using that event as one example of why she is qualified to be CIC.

Perhaps she thought people would focus on her knowledge of military aircraft and be impressed, rather than focus on the distortion of fact which followed.

It is a fair thing, I think, for the Obama campaign to call her out on this as they have. It's not merely a character smear, not by a long shot.

[Skidmore]

28. It is a lie.

I'm wondering if she wasn't testing the media a bit to see if her teflon was still fresh.

I really want these people gone.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

31. Tall Tale.

The closest thing to "Crazy-ass Lie" that the English language has.

[Ino]

33. Not only that, but...

she implied that Sinbad was the liar with her dismissive "he's a comedian" comment.

[Submariner]

3. It's a huge deal

We just went through over 7 years of serial lying with Bush and company, we don't need anymore of these lying assholes like sHillary soiling the executive branch. I'm damn sick of it. Like I stated on another thread, when military fakers get caught they face disciplinary action. sHillary needs to go back to where ever she came from and STFU. She is a disgrace to the Senate now, and a disgrace to those who have put themselves in harms way.

The Clinton regime sux and needs to drop out. She obviously doesn't have an ounce of dignity to pull this grandiose lying crap.

[C_U_L8R]

4. It's not a mistatement, it's a confabulation

a mistatement is an ordinary slip of the tongue...
in this case a whole friggin' novella slipped out of Hillary's mouth

[Armstead]

6. I was using understatement when I said misstatement

:)

[C_U_L8R]

17. oh yes, i know armstead, thanks

i wasn't aiming it back at you : - ))))
It was to the one who made the "blip" hahaha

[olkaz]

9. Well put.

This whole thing cracks me up.

[Harry Monroe]

5. Reminds me of Bill saying "I smoked marijuana, but didn't inhale"

Why the fuck did he say that and try to have it both ways?? I can recall the same question being asked of Gore and Gingrich. Anyone wanna guess how they answered?? If you're not sure, they answered in the affirmative. It was quickly forgotten and the media moved on; who among us hasn't done a little toking in our youth?? But when Bill said that he didn't "inhale" the nonissue suddenly became an issue and took on a life of its own. His answer is remembered to this day, while no one can really recall how Gore or Gingrich answered, nor if they were even asked the question.

BTW, Obama admitted to a little usage in his youth. Bad, Bad man!!

:sarcasm: :sarcasm:


Does anyone remember if Hillary has been asked this question?? It'd be interesting to see how she replies to it.

[DearAbby]

7. It is a huge deal to me

How can I trust the future of my children and grandchildren to someone who lies? It wasn't misspeak. She completely fabricated parts of the story.

She embellished her resume for a job, you, as an employer, caught it before hiring her. Question, would you hire her? Could you trust an employee in your business who lies?

[Araxen]

8. K&R

Post of the day, imho.

[polichick]

10. I have only one thing to say about Hillary's Sniper Tale...

:wtf:

[Armstead]

22. WTF -- Why The Fabrications?

[polichick]

26. Yes - that's a nice polite way to put it! :)

[AngryOldDem]

12. Exellent, excellent post. You nailed it.

:thumbsup:

[Az_lefty]

13. all of her lies are a big deal to me...

I don't intend to replace one lying president with another, that get's us no where.

[BenDavid]

15. Just hold on to your asses their obama folks, the official documents

will soon be forth coming from the State Department and the Pentagon to back up what HRC said about the dangers in this region. When she does this will embarass not only the obama folks but the willing whore left media and it is a good day when you can get two for one....

[Armstead]

16. I never said it wasn't dsangerous -- It was her twisting of the facts that matters

Please re-read my original post.

No one is disputing that part of the world was dangerous at that time. If she had stuck to that, she could have made a valid point.

BUT she chose to describe an incident that has been shown by the videos and accounts of otehrs there to be a lie.

If she had not taken a truth and turned it into a lie, none of this flap would have happened.

[TwilightGardener]

21. Politicians and dignitaries go to dangerous areas all the time--war zones included.

Most of them don't make shit up about it and claim it as Commander-in-Chief-worthy experience.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

24. "the willing whore left media "???

Are you on the correct discussion board?

Another one for the ignore list

[oviedodem]

25. No one said it was not dangerous but HRC said:

"We had to run with our heads down"

That didn't happen


"There was supposed to be a greeting party but there was not"

She greeted a little girl AND the acting president


As a matter of fact she was walking around everywhere. She fundamentally lied about what took place that IS THE BOTTOM LINE!!

[redqueen]

19. Not just the lying, but the way they react when confronted with evidence

that they've been caught in the lie.

I think if they'd have handled these situations better, they'd not take on such a robust life of their own.

[Armstead]

20. That's why I used the word "pathological," but.....

maybe it's just dumb.

[GalleryGod]

23. Sorry,Friend. "Some of Us",here take falsified asertions of being those who served

"under fire" pretty dang SERIOUS.




To fallen soldiers let us sing

Where no rockets fly nor bullets wing

Our broken brothers let us bring

To the Mansions of the Lord

No more bleeding, no more fight

No prayers pleading through the night

Just divine embrace, eternal light

To the Mansions of the Lord.

Where no mothers cry and no children weep

We will stand and guard though the angels sleep

Through the ages safely keep

The Mansions of the Lord.

[Armstead]

27. Sorry friend, but I think you are misinterpreting my intent

Yes it is serious to falsify being "under fire" or not, especially when compared to those who have been under fire.

What i was saying was not that it doesn't matter on its own terms.

But unfortunately, such misrepresentations are not isolated in the current political and media environment. Politicians often make such misstatements about many issues and situations and subjects. Many other people take many other misstatements seriously for their own reasons.

It sucks, but that's the way the system works these days.

[WDIM]

30. I don't think they know what the truth is anymore. nt

[Armstead]

37. Or they thiunk they can bend reality to their wishes

[Ysabel]

32. one of their main problems imo...

is that they seem to believe that we only dislike republican lies...

[Armstead]

36. Good point

[Tatiana]

34. She uses millions of words a day.

She was tired.

She was seated in the cockpit area for more protection.

There was a rapid landing.

I was told, I was told.....

This wasn't simply a misstatement. Either Hillary deliberately told a bald-faced lie OR she is inventing a fantasy world where she is "on the front lines" saving us all from danger with her millions of words a day. Or something.

This is bad. And disgraceful. But I've come to expect that from her group.

[DemzRock]

38. Yeah, it proves they are human and politicians. haha n/t

[Armstead]

39. Oh yes. that;'s what she said. "I'm human too."

What a revelation.

We're all humans. None of us are perfect. But when one's imperfection is a tendency to continually twist the truth just for the sake of twisting the truth, it is a rather serious imperfection -- even for a politician.