This is the reason HRC continuing to harp on Wright will backfire.

[musiclawyer]

Millions and millions of Americans to to their church or place of worship and hear things they don't like and don't agree with, yet they go back. Thousands of Catholics continue to go to church knowing that former pastors committed horrible crimes against children. I've heard people say things like, "yeah it was a crackpot sermon today." And they return the next week. Why? They do so because their faith transcends the institution or the building or the people running he show at that particular time. Very few people know why Obama really chose that church, or why he chose to stay. And most reasonable people, especially churchgoers, know that they should not judge the efficacy of his religious choice or beliefs themselves Even taking the cynical view and assuming that his faith is all politically motivated , as some have, his mistake is not getting out in front of this and disavowing the statements long ago. That’s fair game. But that chapter closed. I think the speech took care of it and stopped any bleeding. The only thing left is to question the man’s religious convictions. Most don't want to go there. It is viewed as a deeply personal, if not sacred, thing. And seeing a politician go there is a big turn off.


The boomerang is sharp.

[TwilightGardener]

1. She is making herself look petty, small, and desperate. Which is what she is.

[Cha]

26. hilary's in full on Weapons of Mass Distraction Mode..

but her Distractions are only adding to the shit pile of original LIES.

[leftofcool]

2. God Damn America!

Yea, that will backfire on Clinton, alright.

[billybob537]

7. Watch out for the sniper fire

It's particularly bad over by the "CIC CREDS!"

[DJ13]

14. "God Damn America!" he says reciting what another had said

By the standard you Clinton supporters (and your buds in the GOP) are holding Wright to, you're now guilty of damning America as well.

Congratulations!

:eyes:

[leftofcool]

22. I didn't say it and Wright ain't my spiritual advisor

[azmouse]

24. Why don't you use the full quote and in context?

Or don't you care about the truth?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you're sleep deprived. :eyes:

[Cant trust em]

38. I'm an Obama supporter who's seen the whole clip, and it's still not good

I agree with the Rev. Wright, but that one instance went too far, IMO.

[ShortnFiery]

28. That wasn't hate but censor, but forget "God Damn America" how 'bout "Teenage Girls are KILLERS"

That's what they say in my Catholic Church post Mass ... words VERY CLOSE to that effect during Mass.

Yet, being a liberal Catholic who enjoys the company of many like minded parishioners of Pax Christi, we all go EVERY WEEK to Mass and have to tolerate the priests comparing teenage girls who get abortion to maniac KILLERS yet not a whisper of those who support state sponsored terrorism in the form of Executions. :thumbsdown:

Many of HRC's former associates whom she has "thrown under the bus" have commented repeatedly that, "Senator Clinton is the most self-righteous person that they've ever met."

All I can hope and pray for is, "Pride goeth before the fall."

[grantcart]

31. It is one thing when the pundits are bringing it up, it is something else when

she does - it smacks of desperation especially in light of Bosniagate.

It is more significant to most people what the candidates actually say rather than what their pastor says.


You may now return to risking your life going to the supermarket ducking the sniperfire

[Voice for Peace]

34. Is there a video link to her most recent comments? nt

[CreekDog]

3. she brings to politics what elephants bring to dancing

:think:

[katmondoo]

4. Hillary is back on this again

Wolf just announced she is to give a negative speech about the pastor

[ericgtr]

6. You mean she's giving a separate speech on that alone?

You must be kidding me. If that is indeed the case then give her the spotlight, this will kill her off before PA.

[Window]

40. Let her. It will backfire on her. When her serial cheater husband called Rev. Wright

to the White House so that Bill could repent, he was okay. Fucking hypocrite.

[MonkeyFunk]

5. how has she "continued to harp" on it?

Wasn't she asked about it and answered a question?

It's a legitimate campaign issue, and there's nothing wrong with her talking about it. I know you guys don't LIKE it, but it's not wrong.

[leftofcool]

10. Obama supporters don't like legitimate questions

being asked of their Lord and Savior or being asked about him or his associates

[george_maniakes]

23. um im an obama supporter. And i dont believe hes God.

so i guess your wrong when it comes to me. Think your wrong with any other obama supporters?

[ellacott]

25. Yeah sure

People on this board agree with the Clinton camp that asking for her tax returns is acting like Ken Starr.

There are some on both sides that don't want to answer questions.

Most people realize that she made the comment about Wright to try and change the subject about her lie. Now, the press has 2 things to talk about for today.

[azmouse]

41. Nor do you. You never answer questions put to you.

Are you afraid of the answers you'd have to give.

[Window]

42. Senator Obama is an excellent politician, that's all. No one views him

as their lord and/or savior. That's all you bullshit Hillary supporters have. Pitiful. I'm glad you guys aren't bitter. LOL!

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

45. DUCK AND ROLL, EVERYBODY!!!!! RAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAT!!!!

[uponit7771]

15. She could of passed on the statements too, he pastors are kooky...she has little room to talk

[george_maniakes]

16. it looks bad when she said she wouldnt speak about it before...

and now with the sniper story shes more than happy to talk about it. See what i mean? Now only that, shes comparing wrights words with imus's. One man speaking out against injustice against blacks, another calling a group of black women whores.

[Cant trust em]

39. She was asked a question and answered it negatively without any backup

No qualifying statements that soften the blow about the Rev. Wright's work within the black community. If someone were to ask me the same question I would have said what she said, but added something like "but I understand how the Rev. Wright's work was born out of the civil rights struggle in the 1960's."

In addition to not taking the opportunity to swipe at your Democratic rival, it's good politics. It can help shore up the African-American vote as well as being above the fray of a petty squabble with Obama.

[flpoljunkie]

8. They will note the coincidence of her speaking out when she is under fire for her misspeaking--

about "being under sniper fire" in Bosnia. This will indeed backfire on the Clintons.

[Seabiscuit]

9. I wouldn't attend any Catholic service knowing that priest molested a child.

Are you friggin' nuts???

[anigbrowl]

29. NOT TRUE...that news story is about a TOWN called Clinton in upstate NY.

Anyone who keeps reposting this as having anything to do with Hillary is going straight into my 'stupid' file.

[cooolandrew]

11. Exactly, he stayed to practive his fairth and was entitled to do so.HRC is just being personal again

[uponit7771]

12. IN DA FACE!! a buddy of mine and I were talking about this today!! We have pastors that say crazy...

...shit all the time and we don't get out the knuckles and beat the man down then leave!!!

This will back fire, her pastors are kooky as hell

[salbi]

13. Most go to church to worhip God not the pastor

People attend and stay at churches for many different reasons. I stayed at one for several years because of the great youth programs they had for my kids. I didn't always agree with the pastor but I usually got something out of it, and he wasn't the one I was there to worship.

[uponit7771]

18. BAMB!! This is right on!!!

[Seabiscuit]

20. There's something wrong with someone who goes to church to listen to the kind of racist swill

spewed by Rev. Wright.

Jesus would have kicked that idiot out onto the sidewalk a long time ago.

[uponit7771]

32. Nothing Wright said was racist and Obama didn't lie

[anigbrowl]

35. Multiple reasons why you are wrong

1. It's not racist in my view. It may make you uncomfortable, but that's your personal problem.

2. Listening is never wrong. I listen to and read all kinds of bullshit from various sources, along with all kinds of sensible stuff. what matters is what you choose to repeat and promote yourself.

3. I rather doubt your assessment of Jesus. My understanding is that he got crucified for talking smack about the pharisees, among other 'outrages'.

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. there's something equally wrong with someone who claims to

have been in a life & death situation with her only child in tow, only to be outed as the liar we all knew she was. Perhaps you're sleep deprived? I realize you guys are anxious to change the subject, for obvious reasons, but the polls are closing in on you regardless.

[Window]

44. Amen.

[JTFrog]

47. I know another group of folks who like to tell us what Jesus would do. n/t

[Seabiscuit]

48. So it's your contention that Jesus would approve of spewing hateful racist bile?

GMAFB.

The grotesque verbal diarrhea on those video clips of the animated maniac are objectively contrary to the Sermon On The Mount.

[JTFrog]

49. I don't give a fuck. I don't believe in imaginary people in the sky.

And I don't believe in the moral police.

Keep your religion out of my politics. Period.

[Seabiscuit]

53. Jesus was never "imaginary people in the sky". He's a historical figure.

I'm not discussing my religion (or lack thereof) here.

I'm pointing out how Rev. Wright uses a religious pulpit to make hateful, racist political statements.

IOW, keep religion out of politics, yes, but also keep politics out of religion.

[Asgaya Dihi]

51. Assuming he was real...Jesus would have loved the guy

Jesus would have loved the guy. He pissed off a lot of people by speaking truth to power and throwing the money changers out of the temple too.

One of the reasons people can't understand what Wright said is that they have no idea where the anger comes from. Read the following and source it out if you'd like, I can promise you that that and more is exactly the way things really work, if you'd like more detail or to talk about it just let me know. If that was us and we were surrounded by a society which couldn't be bothered to even notice I'd think we'd be a bit pissed too. It's not us so we don't even know it's happening, or care.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5232581&mesg_id=5238776

Wright was not only right, but he was justified, in most of it. The aids comment was a bit off the wall but most of the rest is justified not only by his growing up in the pre civil rights south but also by what people in his church are going through today.

[Unsane]

17. Should Obama now bring up snipergate?

[uponit7771]

19. ...not only that but her taxes and the fact that she's stupid...this is low...they are desperate

[loveangelc]

30. YES! One thing I don't like about Obama's campaign is he may be taking the "high road"

too much. He should definitely jump on her comments about Bosnia today. I would ignore the Wright comments and harp on Bosnia. Makes it a big story.

[DrFunkenstein]

21. Hillary Stood By Her Husband

After he left the campaign trail in 1992 to execute a mentally vegetative black man. You can choose whom you stay married to after they have betrayed you and your values.

[stellanoir]

27. ramen

[Jane Austin]

33. Amen!

And Amen.

[Cant trust em]

37. It's unfortunate that she is again taking the job of RW talking heads

First she compliments John McCain's lifetime of experience. Now she's treading in waters heretofore only waded in by the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh. She was quiet when those guys were loud. Now that they have finished talking about it she is going to revive the talking point.

[tokenlib]

43. You have it correct--but what of the brains too small to connect with the truth...

I am getting cynical.. I pray the people of Pennsylvania prove me wrong..but I think there is a double standard here. It's okay for them to do it in their lives--but for the first black man with a real chance to be president, they want to raise the bar higher...

[krkaufman]

46. Personally, I think Hillary should be getting hammered for the second part of her comment.

"You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

So, it would seem that Hillary believes that Presidential candidates *should* have their religious beliefs questioned, and that there *should be* a religious test for office.

[JTFrog]

50. She's not much of one for the Constitution. She's proved that repeatedly.

First Amendment: No Establishment:
The first amendment to the Constitution also prohibits the government from "establishing" any religion. The meaning of "establishment" is hotly debated and some insist that it merely means that the government can't create a national religion. This reading is too narrow and would make the clause all but meaningless. To have relevance, it must mean that the government can't favor, endorse, promote, or support any religions just as it can't hinder any: it must remain as neutral as possible.

[krkaufman]

52. I thought Article VI was more applicable...

Article VI - The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Potayto, potahto, let's call her whole campaign off.