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pkz Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:55 PM
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As much as I hate the expression...Hillary has thrown
all of us under the bus!

Really.

If you are a Hillary supporter, all your hard work and Clinton apologist-speak is for not.
You are going to feel as desperate as she is, you may win, the dirty way. And dammit! That is how Bush and Cheney got in.

If you are a Obama supporter you feel like no matter what you want, or how much you believe in your candidate, you will be shot down by the establishment...and yes, it is the same way that they force fed us Bush!

Good Gawd, will nothing ever really CHANGE?
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:56 PM
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1. LET'S BURN THE WITCH!
How DARE her even THINK that a woman could be President.


BURN THAT WITCH!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:57 PM
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2. When you have no actual arguments to use, accuse the other person of sexism.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 03:58 PM by TheWraith
pkz is a woman, by the way.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:59 PM
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12. Well, you all make that pretty easy.
One asshole today called HC a "witch" and a "cow."
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:01 PM
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14. Thanks Deep13... I can't believe this is a progressive website with all the hate.
It's like FreeRepublic these days.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:03 PM
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19. I have to check and make sure I didn't get sent over to that other site some days.
very depressing. and right on cue, the sexism deniers are in full voice.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #14
46. jeez, I wonder who made it that way. (hint hint)
wink wink, nudge nudge
say no more. say no more.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:05 PM
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23. When you're equally outraged about the Clinton supporters mocking Obama with ebonics...
THEN you might have a right to have a tantrum because somebody used the word "witch." But to equate reading sexism into a handful of comments with the shit spewed by certain others simply shows that you're desperately trying to avoid admitting that your side is responsible for the dirty and destructive campaigning.
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moez Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:23 PM
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48. Cow is way out of line.
Her ankles are much bigger than a cow's... I'd be pissed off too. The least we can expect around here is accuracy in our postings!
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:59 PM
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13. Do I care if she is a woman? I am a man and I support Hillary.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:02 PM
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15. So then why did you accuse her of being a sexist?
Because otherwise, all you're doing is proving that you haven't a leg to stand on, and all you've got is personal attacks.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:04 PM
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Are you drunk? When did I accuse Hillary of being sexist?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:07 PM
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26. Apparently, YOU are drunk. I was talking about the OP, pkz.
She's the one you accused of being a sexist.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #26
35. OK, truce... but you replied to me... not the OP.
just keepin' it real.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:15 PM
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38. Of course I replied to you. I was addressing your false accusation.
Post #1 in this thread, you characterized the OP's feelings as having come from sexism. I pointed out that that was both an ad hominem attack, baseless, and that the OP was a woman. Your only response has been to justify yourself by claiming--again falsely--random accusations of racism by Obama supporters, and acting like I called Clinton a sexist.

Truce? It's easy to call for a truce when you're in the wrong.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. AND IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU THINK A WOMAN CAN'T BE SEXIST.
*ROLLS EYES BIG TIME*
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. Read my #42. Then apologize to the OP. nt
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:18 PM
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40. Oh God... WOMEN CAN BE SEXIST AGAINST OTHER WOMEN!
GET A GRIP!


Gays can hate gays.

Blacks can hate blacks.

Women can hate women.


Maybe in your world a woman can't be sexist.


But I'm gay and I know gay men can be homophobic.


EDUCATE YOURSELF!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:20 PM
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42. That doesn't justify your falsely attacking her.
Do you have evidence that pkz is a woman who discriminates against women? Did anything in her OP suggest that? No? Then you should apologize.
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pkz Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #42
49. I am waiting on that apology
for the record~ I am not sexist, racist or homophobic
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:36 PM
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50. for the record~ I am not sexist, racist or homophobic either
*kisses*

no apology though.


I still love you as a person.


I hope as an Obama fan you still love me as a person too! UNITY!
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:11 PM
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33. I don't care if she is a woman.
I am a woman and I think she is not presidential material. She is DLC and beholden to corporations and will say and do anything to get in power. The US doesn't need any more dirty politics. A woman president would be nice - but not THAT woman.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:02 PM
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16. When you have no actual arguments to use, accuse the other person of racism.
Tit for tat.
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. You're #200 on my Hillary Ignore list
:hi: bye
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:06 PM
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24. I wear it proudly!
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 04:07 PM by jesus_of_suburbia
I don't appreciate ignorance.

That is a quality of the Republicans.

My ideas are too progressive for your eyes. Live in your ignorance.
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:42 PM
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52. You're a real prize, aren't you?
You make accusations of sexism against people then refuse to offer anything to back it up, throw around some generic accusations then claim victory because you're so much more "progressive" than anyone else? Really? ;)

Appreciate ignorance or not, you sure do express it well. Sexism happens here, so does racism, every group of any party or candidate will have some number of idiots, but that's a pretty damned poor reason to assume than anyone who objects to one of the candidates couldn't have better reasons for it. There's nothing progressive about what I've seen from you in this thread, just a closed mind and unfounded judgment.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:15 PM
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37. Numbers 265 and 266 on mine! - n/t
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:17 PM
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39. Numbers 265 and 266 on mine! - n/t
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:21 PM
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45. YAY!
I don't appreciate ignorance.

That is a quality of the Republicans.

My ideas are too progressive for your eyes. Live in your ignorance
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:09 PM
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28. Except that that's never happened.
Please post proof of where somebody responded to fair criticism of Obama with a charge of racism as ridiculously unfounded as yours.
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:02 PM
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17. Her gender is the ONLY thing she has to run on
Other than that she just wants to be president, she doesn't actually stand for anything.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:58 PM
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4. Nah
I'd perfer a house fall on her...and there would be singing children and lolipops till McCain showed up in drag and tried to steal our slippers.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:58 PM
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5. I think you are missing the point.
...Or just ignoring it so you can make a rude comment.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:58 PM
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6. What does this have to do with her being a woman?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:58 PM
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7. In your haste to elect a woman, you've settled for a monster
Sorry, that won't fly.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:59 PM
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9. Change your text...
From

"How DARE her even THINK that a woman could be President"


to


"How can we DARE THINK that *THIS* woman should be President"



Most of us would gladly accept a woman President. Just not THIS woman. Not THIS conniving, prevaricating, loathsome woman.


Lots of other women to choose from. *THIS* woman is the worst we could come up with.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:59 PM
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10. Fuck off. A woman will certainly be president, just not THIS woman.
For damn good reasons I might add. I don't give a flying rat's ass what kind of plumbing a politician has, but Veruca is simply a horrid person to vote into office.
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pkz Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:59 PM
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11. man that was quick.
I am serious, her holding on like this is hurting the Party, we need to move on to McCain and the big fight.

Has nothing to do with her female-ness
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:03 PM
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18. She could have easily been President, if only she had voted against the IWR
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:06 PM
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25. *plonk*
Why bother even responding to such idiocy?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:12 PM
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34. Indeed
Not sure if I want to add this one yet - don't know if they post alert-worthy shit.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:14 PM
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36. Why should we waste our beautiful minds on something like that?
Ignore and move on: the key to sanity on GD:P
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:20 PM
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43. Oh, I know, and usually agree
I just can't pin this person down as to why there not on ignore yet. Usually (with the worthy ones) it's because they're a frequent rule-breaker and I do my duty as a good DUer to alert on their rule breakings.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:10 PM
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32. .
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:57 PM
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3. This must be some other election you are talking about.
HC can't do anything right while O walks on water. I think the term for what you are saying is "projection."
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:04 PM
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22. if Richardson is portrayed as Judas then clearly Hillary is being portrayed as Jesus
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:58 PM
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8. She self destructed today.
Hardball comnig up. Sniper comment.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:08 PM
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27. This is one day when I actually want to watch Tweety
Today is gonna be payback for that apology he was forced to give.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:04 PM
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21. obama supporters take note: your candidate is not a saint, and has made a good many mistakes
all by himself.
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pkz Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:09 PM
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30. This board is really like the Freepers now
not so long ago, every single time someone complained about the present administration, their only defense was Clinton......

I cannot believe that we are so divided and accepting of the same old, same old.
Stooping to GOP tactics makes us no better.

Sad, sad times to be a good Democrat.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:09 PM
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31. Until he lies about being under fire while our troops are ACTUALLY under fire
you really have to give Clinton the edge in the disgusting liar category.
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:09 PM
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29. Will nothing ever really CHANGE? Just wait until..
ES&S, Sequoia & Diebold count up the votes again.:argh:
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:20 PM
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44. No worries - there are too many of us that refuse to be thrown under the bus!
Cause Obama's driving it! :hi:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:38 PM
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51. Obama supporters feel shot down by the establishment?
:rofl:

He's about as establishment as you can get, barring HRC, of course.

I wonder what DK supporters are supposed to feel. That's never mattered.

I'll continue to hope, until all hope is gone, for a dead-locked convention and a reasonable candidate that can unify the party.
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