How can a woman that stood by a President that LIED to the entire country...

[bunnies]

have the gall to criticize Obama for standing by ANYONE?!

Its ridiculous. I'm certain she feels like she can get away with it, since talking about Bills lies are taboo and many Dems like to brush it of as "rw talking points". But she happily opened this can of worms today by judging Obama for sticking with Wright.

So if Obamas going to that church means he condones everything the preacher said, by that logic, Hillary sticking with Bill means she condones everything Bill did.

After all... who are you closer to? Your preacher? or your Spouse?

And Bill is a man, who while serving as President, not only cheated on his wife but also LIED to the entire country.

God Damn America. Indeed.

For clarity: I didnt, dont, and never will care where the hell Bill put the clenis. But I have always cared that he lied for no apparent reason. And if it says something about Obama that he stands by Wright. Then it says something about Hillary that she stayed with Bill Clinton.

And don't give me that crap about the "good wife" "standing by her man". Seriously. Thats really pathetic. It doesnt take a strong woman to allow yourself to be cheated on and humiliated for the whole world to see. Her actions prove only that she will allow herself to be kicked around. Not exactly a quality I want in a President. Furthermore, I would *hope* she would think that lying to the country is one of the worst things a President could do. Obviously not though... she forgave Bill for it. I guess its forgivable. Or maybe her personal relationship with him caused her to cut him some slack.

Today Hillary called the Wright thing "personal", yet had no problem passing judgment. Fine. Let the guilt-by-association begin.

[gateley]

1. Not only did he lie to us, he lied under oath. nt

[bunnies]

4. And apparently, she thinks its ok. Exactly. nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

5. Oh Sweet Jesus.

Here come the Clenis posts. :crazy:

[depakid]

11. Impressive, isn't it?

Just when you think you've seen the phoniest self-righteous post ever- someone comes along and proves you wrong....

[Orsino]

23. Jesus can't hear you over his own sobs. n/t

[RC]

12. Wrong. That was a civil case and the subject of his fidelity had nothing

to do with the case. There was no law broken.

BTY, I am in no way a Hillary supporter. First I was a Dennis supporter, then an Edwards supporter. Hillary and Obama used to be 6 of 1 and 1/2 dozen of the other till Hillary turned mean and vindictive.

[bunnies]

18. So, perjury is not a crime?

Hmmm. Where have I heard that before.

[RC]

21. Not in a civil case, where the question does not have anything to do

with the case. Give your attorney a dollar and ask him/her about it.

[gateley]

22. He was IMPEACHED for perjury and obstruction of justice:

""In his second term he was impeached by the U.S. House for perjury and obstruction of justice,<[br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

[RC]

24. Impeached by whom? Keep that in mind.

Check out the law in civil cases. In felony cases, you would be correct. But this was not a felony case, it was a civil case. Just because it was done does not make it legal or proper. Look how bu$h got in. How legal was that? Just taking that case was unconstitutional. That was why the stipulation that it did not set a precedence.

Since when did the law apply to the republicans, anyway?

[gateley]

25. Impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives.

Apparently I'm not getting the distinction here, so we can let it drop.

Because I TOTALLY agree with your last sentence.

[RC]

27. Then what is so hard to understand about the difference between Civil and

Criminal court cases? The republicans applied criminal law to a civil case and Most of American bought it and still buys it.

If you or I were ask if we had cheated on our wife in a civil court case about, say about how much money you owed me in a contract dispute, you could answer with anything you wished, true or not because it had nothing to do with how much who owed who or the contract. It would have no bearing.
Criminal cases are a different matter, you had better answer truthfully or you will be guilty of perjury. That is the distinction republicans do not want you to get. Bill Clinton's lie was in a civil Case that had nothing to do with the case at hand and that is what the republicans impeached him for. The republicans muddied the civil court case and the impeachment together, along with criminal court law. The right does not want you to see any distinction either. That is one way they run rough shod over us. Those distinctions are important.

Start your research here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._Jones

The check out the difference between Civil and criminal law.

[Joe Chi Minh]

20. If he hadn't lied to those people over what was none of their or YOUR

confounded business, he SHOULD have been thrown into jail, there and then.

Certain people BEG to be lied to, they DEMAND it, it's a moral imperative that they SHOULD be lied to. It's the way they're made. They're custom-built to be lied to, even by politicians. They're one of evolution's meaner tricks. Why join them?

There are few few more lofty avocations than to lie to such people. It is a privilege that few are granted, particularly under oath (affirmation, not on the Bible). It is the 'icing on the cake', so to speak. It's the ultimate, the definitive pinnacle. Everything has to be downhill, after that. Poor old Bill. What a jaded palate he must have now. Maybe he doesn't even have a second 'take' when he sees a beautiful woman pass by. On the other hand, maybe he does take a wee peek.

It seems a bit like when a barrister asked a doctor on a TV series whether he considered he possessed a superior status to that of a certain specialist in the particular field under discussion - I think it was facial surgery - and he replied that he did have the advantage of having examined the patient, personally.

To this, of course, as is their wretched wont, the opposing counsel replied, "Please answer the question, blah, blah, blah." Eventually, shamefacedly, the doctor murmured, "No". I just wish he'd blurted out, before the judge could stop him, "A clumsy, direct answer would have misled the jury. Surely you understand that!" You bet they do. It does seem to me that the protocol is bent, at the expense of truth. But then our adversarial system could hardly be more twisted anyway, being, as it is, in the form of some kind of tournament, instead of a search for the truth.

[Sparkly]

26. .

:wow:

[billybob537]

2. Hear that?

That's the sound of the vault door slamming shut on the Clinton campaign for 4 more years.

[babylonsister]

3. She covered her butt on this one...

"You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."...

But she didn't give birth to Bill, he's not her father or brother, she married him. I guess the lying is A-OK; seems like she's learned some lessons from it.

[bunnies]

7. Yep.

It was her choice to stay with someone like that. What does it say about her? But the press cant touch it because she'll cry foul and garner sympathy support. Its bizarre.

[WDIM]

6. She is a liar too... so why not.

oh sorry no she's just sleep deprived.
I just can't let that go! sorry....

[Cant trust em]

8. This Obama supporter is going to pass on this one.

So, how about that March Madness. I had Davidson beating Georgetown in the second round. Yay me!

[murielm99]

9. More republican talking points.

How boring.

[bunnies]

17. More convenient dismissal of the facts.

How expected.

[murielm99]

30. You haven't presented any facts.

If you want to tell us about your candidate and how great he is, go ahead. But if smearing the Clintons is your sole purpose for being here, you do your candidate no good and you change no minds. Take a right turn.

[MonkeyFunk]

10. You guys think about Bill's penis

more than I think about my own. Get help.

[bunnies]

16. Was it Bills Penis that lied?

Because it sure looked like his face to me.

[TexanDem]

13. I picked up on that same hypocracy when I heard her! Good post!!

[NoPasaran]

14. This is about Laura Bush, right?

When are you guys going to give Pickles a break?

[mrJJ]

15. A family affair

Billary 08... back to the future

Heres your 2 for 1 deal

misspoke
1 : to speak (as a word) incorrectly
2 : to express (oneself) imperfectly or incorrectly <claims now that he misspoke himself>
intransitive verb

liar
1: a person who tells lies

"I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the First Lady. That’s where we went. I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."


"I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again," he said with a clenched jaw and stern expression that day. "I did not have sexual

relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. These allegations are false."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/starr072998.htm

FBI to Test Dress

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/starr073198.htm

[LaurenG]

19. I do NOT care about her relationship with Bill or anyone else

people can be "silly" in their relationships and be terrific at their jobs. Her weakness has to do with her spinning and lying. She has pointed nasty barbs at a democrat while praising McCain, she has been dishonest and I can't trust her anymore. If she wins we WILL have 4-8 more years of nearly exactly what we've just come through.

I do not deserve that, I do deserve better.

[kwassa]

28. Every President lies to the country. Get over it.

All politicians lie.

So do practically all human beings.

[scheming daemons]

29. Not all lies are created equal.......