Can someone who is using Obama's Hebrew name explain ...

[Fredda Weinberg]

It's being spelled wrong. Do you think we don't notice?

[TK421]

1. Barry?

:shrug:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. *snort!*

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. ZOMG!!!1!! WE'VE BEEN EXPOSED!! ABORT THE MISSION!!!1!

WTF are you blathering about, Fredda?

[H2O Man]

19. The "code"

has been broken!

[bluedawg12]

62. The code: all things to all people. n/t

[stellanoir]

4. huh ?

[Unsane]

5. Who's "we"?

[faithfulcitizen]

45. your picture is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time...lmao!

[bluedawg12]

60. "We the people"

Or is it "you the people" hard to know if we are we, or if we are you, with us - these days.

[Forkboy]

6. Do you think we care what you "notice"?

[Adelante]

9. Oh, you kid

:D

[Forkboy]

12. I don't know about you, but I sense a hilarious thread in the making here.

:)

[Yael]

7. Its transliteration

:shrug:

[Fredda Weinberg]

13. Nope ... would be chof sofit, not kof. n/t

[Yael]

16. I am keenly aware of hebrew structure

Transliteration doesn't take that into account -- it is the way it sounds to the english speaking ear. Quadaffi, Khadaffi, Kadaffi -- etc...

[Fredda Weinberg]

25. I know what transliteration means ... are you responsible for this boo boo?

Whoever did this either didn't know Barry's name or didn't care.

[Yael]

50. OR, for those of us obsessed with the aleph bet....

It is blown out of proportion given that his FATHERS name was Barack Hussein Obama (Sr) and African anglisied transliterations are a non-issue.

By all means, run with this kof/kof sofit thing if you think it helps your cause.

:hi:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

14. Best reply award!

:thumbsup:

[karynnj]

8. It's the close Arabic equivilent of the Hebrew name - but means the same thing

"blessed"

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

10. From Wikipedia:

baraka, also berakhah, in Judaism, a blessing usually recited during a ceremony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baraka


Barack Obama, a U.S. politician whose first name is derived from the Kiswahili word, baraka meaning blessed.

[Fredda Weinberg]

15. I said ... you are mispelling the Hebrew ... those of you using that

tag. You're trying to teach me my own first language?

[Spider Jerusalem]

26. It's rather obvious that you don't know the difference.

It's also rather obvious that you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Arabic and Hebrew (and, for that matter, Aramaic, and several other languages) are all members of the same language family and have many cognates. Anyone who is ignorant of this very simple linguistic fact has no standing to make pronouncements on the issue. What you're saying is akin to saying that 'nakt' (Sanskrit for 'night') is a misspelling of German 'nacht', when it ISN"T; they both share the same proto-Indo-European root (as many words in Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc share a common origin although the languages themselves have been divergent for a very long time).

[Bad Thoughts]

31. It's not Arabic, It's Swahili

It's a loan word. Yes, Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic languages. But discussing "Barak" as a function of Semitic linguistics makes little sense.

[DerekJ]

44. Swahili language is made up of many languages, one of them is Arabic

[Bad Thoughts]

51. Influence is in vocabulary, not structure

It does not share the Semitic use of three letter roots, like b-r-k.

[me b zola]

66. Oh Jesus

[Bonobo]

73. Hebrew was your first language? Sounds like a "Hillary Tall Tale" to me.

[Capn Sunshine]

72. berakhah? Like in Baruch atah Adonai Elohenu melech ha'olam ?

Is that a variation ?

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

95. That was I was thinking, Capn (fellow member of the tribe here).

[Fredda Weinberg]

11. Arabic? You think I can't tell the difference? And the way it's

spelled, it can mean "in vain". Are you sure you want that?

[Sparkly]

17. Barack vs. Barak?

I'm not sure which of Obama's names is at issue. I do teach a little boy who's Jewish and whose first name is Barak, if you're referring to Barack. I just assumed there were different spellings from a single derivation. :shrug:

[Fredda Weinberg]

27. Barack is actually Barach ... like Chanuka

That is a variant on the word blessing ... and is spelled in Hebrew or Arabic differently from Barak, which usually means lightning.

I'm just pointing out the mistake ... seems to me you'd want it correct if you're going to flaunt it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. Um, wouldn't his PARENTS get to decide how to spell his name?

Like when he was BORN?

You are really stretching this.

I have a student named Johnathan. But the more common spelling is Jonathan. So I guess he can never run for political office. :eyes:

[better tomorrow]

79. and I have a grandson Bryce who isn't a Brice but then neither are Hebrew

names and his Daddy is Jewish.

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. And yet another political carer down the drain!!

You should be ashamed! Ashamed I tell you!! :)

[better tomorrow]

83. for what? his Daddy is a Conservative.....that I am sorry for....

but not for my grandson. He's a beautiful composite, just like Barack.

[Genevieve]

42. WTF are you talking about ????????

You sound like you need medication --
this is stupid and despicable.

[eissa]

18. I hope you're not serious

My parents gave me a very German name, even though we are anything but German! And of course, the spelling is incorrect. Should I be blamed for that? I suppose I could change it, but it's not worth the $300+ price tag to do it, nor the headache of changing it on all my forms.

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. This means you can never run for office

And you have company. I also have a name spelled differently. Damn - there goes my political career.

[Bad Thoughts]

20. It's Swahili

It's Baraka, the Swahili for Blessing, which is taken from Arabic, a Semitic language, like Hebrew.

[kwassa]

21. This is the stupidest thread I've seen in a long time.

There is a lot of competition, however.

[anonymous171]

22. The question is: Do I give a shit?

The answer is no.

[scheming daemons]

23. His name is spelled the way his parents put it on his birth certificate.... and really, that is all

that matters...


Fredda... this thread is despicable on your part.

[Fredda Weinberg]

24. HIs parents spelled his name in Hebrew? Don't be silly

This is an Obamaniac stunt gone terribly wrong ... any Hebrew reader knows it.

[Indenturedebtor]

28. Hmmm?

I don't understand. I thought you were an Obama supporter?

As a native speaker of Hebrew I'm sure you know that the transliteration is crude, and that the standards for doing so are relatively new.

[bicentennial_baby]

29. No, she's got strong hate for Obama...

as well as his spouse and children, make no mistake.

:)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

75. Not to mention her perpetual fear of race riots.

But she lurves those underprivileged kids she teaches. :eyes:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

82. Race riots caused by black preachers, don't forget. nt

[IndianaGreen]

64. The poster is part of the Hillary brigade

And spouts a lot of nonsense on many topics, including this one.

[scheming daemons]

40. His birth name is "Barack Hussein Obama Jr." .... ON HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE....

...

You're despicable.

[stillcool]

52. Did his father pull a fast one?

[Genevieve]

30. Barack Obama, a U.S. politician whose first name is derived from the Kiswahili word, baraka meaning

blessed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baraka

[Bad Thoughts]

33. No one's listening

I've made this point a few times. They're tied up in discerning the Arabic vs. Hebrew thing, which is the source of the Swahili word.

[Genevieve]

35. That's what she meant?

I didn't realize...thanks.

So many crazies amongst the HC supporters!

[Warren DeMontague]

53. No shit. The movie "Baraka" was a pretty amazing piece of work, too.

http://www.spiritofbaraka.com/baraka.aspx

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103767/

Brought to you from the folks who did Koyaanisqatsi.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

32. Yeah and have you seen his wife dancing or his kids' body language? Oh the horror.

:eyes:

[bicentennial_baby]

37. I'll reserve comment...

;)

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

39. It's better to leave those of us with impressive resumes discuss such things.

:evilgrin:

[Bonobo]

46. Yeah, the younger girl has issues from watching the mom dance, I think... right?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

47. Among other things. n/t

[TheDoorbellRang]

34. What is Obama's Hebrew name? And who is using it?

I thought his name was Kenyan.

[Genevieve]

36. It is....EOM

[Genevieve]

41. It's not Hebrew --

nor Arabic,

Look at my post upthread.

[Barack_America]

38. I spell my name with a "K" and not a "Ch"...

Does it change the meaning? No. Different cultures have different spellings of the same word. There's nothing sinister about that.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

84. Kristi?

[Bonobo]

43. You embarass yourself.

Why do you assume his name is Hebrew?

The spelling looks fine to me.

I don't understand your argument. Are you trying to argue that his name is "Baruch"?

Like arguing that a boy named "Peter" is actually named Pierre if you are conversing in French.

[Catherina]

77. Oh God, please don't open that can of worms

I rarely look at the IP forum because it hurts me. One of the few times I looked at it, the OP was saying the Palestinians needed to be "penned up". I'm half Jewish and that really pissed me off. Some names really need to be forgotten and the OP's is one of them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. Oh Chome The Fuch On, You Chan't Really Be Chomplaining About This...

How ridichulous.

[Genevieve]

49. And guess what else, Fredda?

RODHAM rhymes with SADDAM!!


:crazy:

[Nine]

54. I don't understand 99% of this thread.

:shrug:

[me b zola]

71. That is a good thing

Be glad. :)

[Forkboy]

78. Something about Baraka for President.

:shrug:

[spoony]

92. Thank goodness I'm not alone!

Come to think of it I feel that way about GDP in general.

[oberliner]

55. Some possible clarification for those who are confused by this post

What I think the poster is saying is in reference to people who have included in their sig line a campaign image for Obama that has Barack Obama written out in Hebrew letters (see Reply #43 in this thread).

I believe the poster is saying that the Hebrew letter written at the end of the Hebrew version of his first name is not the correct letter to use in that position. (There is a different Hebrew letter for some consonants when they appear at the end of a word or name)

Why this is significant, I am not sure.

[crispini]

57. Thank you.

:crazy:

[Crunchy Frog]

86. Thank you.

I was completely unable to figure out what this thread was about, and was beginning to think maybe I had sustained some sort of brain damage. :silly:

[madrchsod]

56. i some strange way this is an entertaining thread

about the spelling of someone`s name.....i have to admit this is one of the strangest anti-barry obama post i`ve seen

[bluedawg12]

69. It's strange, entertaining and rather pointless-- we might be able to agree

this thread has brought Dems together!

[PM7nj]

58. How should it be written?

[Forkboy]

59. "You think your concerns will resonate w/the general electorate?"

:rofl:

[bluedawg12]

61. It's spelled Barry- and then he changed it

because Hilary was already taken. :rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

63. Well this means he should QUIT!!

His candidacy is over now.

[bluedawg12]

68. It must mean Hilary named him! She should apologize now! n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

70. And she misspoke when she named him!!

I mean she misspelled. :)

[Catherina]

74. You'll get over it. If not, who the fuck cares? n/t

[WillyT]

76. Who's Using Obama's Hebrew Name ??? - I'll Kick Their Ass !!!

Sorry skittles...

:scared:

[yewberry]

80. Can someone who understands this thread please explain it me?

Truly, I don't understand, and I'd like to.

Is there actually some kind of controversy regarding Obama's given name? If so, why?

Thanks in advance.

[Bonobo]

85. The OP is a Jewish-centric poster who thinks the name Barack shoule be rendered as "Baruch"

in Hebrew since the origin of the Swahili name, 'Barack" has its roots in the Hebrew word "Baruch".

Since it is written in Hebrew, the OP believes, as a Jew, that it is hers to decide how the name should be spelled.

She is mistaken.

It is transliterated (by sound in other words) into proper Hebrew.

There is nothing wrong with it at all. Just a mistaken and self-centered OP.

[bluedawg12]

87. Did we name the guy or what? It's his damned name he can spell it

any way he wants.

[better tomorrow]

88. isn't Jewish traditon centered on the female? If so, Stanley (his mom) should spell it how she want

[Crunchy Frog]

89. A mistaken and self centered OP? From her? No!!!

:rofl:

[yewberry]

90. I'm at a loss. I've taught children named Wynter, Destinee, and ShyAnne.

They're names. People don't choose their names, and you certainly can't expect that you can require a spelling.

That'd be like me telling a child, "I'm sorry, Katelynne honey, your name should be spelled Caitlin, so I'm just going to change your records to reflect that."

Thanks.

[tammywammy]

93. Thanks for explaining it

I was so confused.

What a silly thread.

[oberliner]

94. Possible explanation

What I think the poster is saying is in reference to people who have included in their sig line a campaign image for Obama that has Barack Obama written out in Hebrew letters (see Reply #43 in this thread).

I believe the poster is saying that the Hebrew letter written at the end of the Hebrew version of his first name is not the correct letter to use in that position. (There is a different Hebrew letter for some consonants when they appear at the end of a word or name)

Why this is significant, I am not sure.

[ClassWarrior]

91. Nominated for the MOST SURREAL THREAD EVER.

You talented, knowledgeable, wonderfully Progressive DUers never fail to amaze me. Or to make me laugh out loud.

:rofl:

Peace, my friends.

NGU.