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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:27 PM
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Obama following Rove's advice
to slash and burn"

Rove gave Obama seemingly some priceless advice on beating Clinton. But the advice was not given to put Obama in the White House, but to make sure that he or Clinton doesn't get there. The debate then among some GOP strategists over which is the weaker Democrat is looking more facile even irrelevant by the minute. Neither Obama nor Clinton will get the needed 2,025 delegates to lock up the nomination. The decision will be tossed to the super delegates. That means more rancor and division. It also probably means not one but two mortally weakened Democratic nominees. That's Rove and the GOP's fondest dream.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/rove-already-answered-the_b_93388.html
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:28 PM
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1. So?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:33 PM
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6. Dick , is that you?
(Sorry, couldn't help myself.)
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:36 PM
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7. So this:
A bickering, squabbling, negative sniping Obama and Clinton means a potentially bickering, squabbling, negative sniping Democratic Party.

I give a rat's ass about the candidates, but if we ourselves become divided that's bad. Especially now. Obama has the nomination, any shit thrown at Clinton supporters is shit thrown at Obama's GE chances.
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:40 PM
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9. I didn't "throw shit" at a Clinton supporter, what are you talking about?
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:45 PM
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11. I'm talking about the article referenced in the OP.
That's what it talks about. It says the campaigns are flinging too much mud and its hurting us.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:30 PM
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2. If the superdelegates move en masse to the clear winner...
... of the popular vote and delegate lead, then the "rancor and division" that Ofari-Hutchinson has been cheerleading will not materialize.

I'm not worried about a thing. And the only ones practicing the losing 2006 Rovian election philosophy are the ones that recoined it "The Kitchen Sink."

It will all be over sooner than we think.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:30 PM
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3. It'll be easier to rehabilitate Obama than HRC
He's still a tabula rasa to a lot of people -- he can be "remade." She's
a known commodity that the public either loves or loathes; more difficult
to change opinions of her.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:32 PM
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4. Bizarro world. nt
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:32 PM
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5. He sounds a tad bit like a Hillary supporter, esp. in this other article I found
http://www.alternet.org/story/78757/

This was the worst night yet for the packs of obsessive charter members of the hate Hillary Clinton club. Their first bad night came back in January when despite the gleeful, hopeful but totally false and overblown anticipation of the wrongheaded pollsters that predicted a smash Obama victory, Clinton bagged New Hampshire. Tuesday's outcome was much worse for them. The same gleeful, hopeful, but just as wrongheaded pollsters and even more wrongheaded pundits deliriously wrote the epitaph for Clinton ("the end is in sight," "her Waterloo," "will Clinton stand down?" and on and on the blarney headlines screamed.

They didn't matter. This writer flatly predicted a Clinton win in Ohio and Texas. It wasn't hard to do. Despite the 'Clinton is finished' doom and gloom predictions, what the Clinton haters missed, or rather deliberately omitted was that she was never out of the hunt for the nomination. Clinton ran no ads, had only a token campaign staff, and spent virtually no time in the string of primary election states that she lost. The reason was simple. She smartly concentrated on winning the two states that she had to win, Texas and Ohio. The losses in the smaller primary states meant little since she still had an ample number of delegates and super delegates in the bank. In fact despite the loss in these eleven primary states she was still about five percentage points behind her rival in the delegate count. Losses in the Democratic primary meant even less still in states such as Utah, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, and Montana. They are safe Red States and the eventual Democratic nominee doesn't have a prayer of winning them anyway in the general election. The victories in Texas and Ohio, coupled with the wins in California, and New York prove one thing and that's that Clinton can win the big states. This is the absolute minimum requirement for a Democratic nominee to have any shot at beating John McCain.

Clinton's wins in Texas and Ohio does even more. They demonstrated that she can be competitive with one powerful constituency and maintain a solid grip on the other; one that a Democratic nominee must either win the majority vote from or a sizeable percentage of their vote. The two constituencies are Latinos and blue-collar whites. Bush got more than forty percent of the Latino vote in 2004. As other GOP presidents and candidates dating back to Ronald Reagan in 1980, Bush got the vote of the overwhelming majority of blue-collar whites, especially white males. Ohio is the bluest of blue-collar states and Clinton got a smash win there. That's a hint that Ohio could be competitive for the Democrats -- that is, if she's the nominee. The Democrat's lock on the Latino vote is solid, again, only if she's the nominee.

The charter hate Hillary club members also delight in constantly harping on the supposed mounds of Clinton negatives. The point supposedly is that this alone is enough to set the Democrats on a train wreck course with her as the nominee. But the polls also have consistently shown that voters like her for her strength and experience. When they assess her positions on health care, jobs and the economy, and in dealing with the sub prime crisis, without the filter of distortions and twisting, her positions are sound, reasonable and workable, and much better than anything offered by any of the other candidates.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:37 PM
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8. Uh, isn't this called "projection"....? nt
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:43 PM
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10. The thing is, even thought Obama is going negative on Clinton...it comes off as more fair than dirty
The Bosnia thing? Hillary brought that on herself. In fact, I'd have judged Obama's team if they hadn't had a field day with that.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:46 PM
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12. Yep. There's more than one kind of "negative" all right. nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:48 PM
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13. Yeah - fair game if the candidate him/herself says something. nt
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