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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:19 PM
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Here's what I hear a lot of...
Obama's slightly ahead! Clinton should quit!

Obama's slightly ahead! Pull the plug on Clinton!

Obama's slightly ahead! Clinton should quit for the good of the party!

Uh oh, Florida and Michigan might help Clinton!

Um, better not let them revote!

Meanwhile, Obama is slightly ahead, when will Clinton give up already?

Remember, if Obama wins the nomination without Florida and Michigan being seated, then he will not be legitimate to a lot of people.

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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:20 PM
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1. They will be seated no matter who wins.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:20 PM
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2. Repeat slowly: IT. IS. OVER.
The supers will not overturn the will of the voters and Hillary can't win 67% of all remaining delegates, thus

It.

Is.

Over.

IT IS OVER.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:21 PM
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3. What I'm hearing is "Demcorats are Socialists" . . . anyone getting that yet?????
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:23 PM
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4. Well, then by your logic, even if Clinton gets the nomination she won't be legitimate either
Since FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN ARE NOT REVOTING!
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:30 PM
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9. we voted already. Thanks for your concern, though.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:26 PM
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5. Understand that sometimes people's feelings re: MI & FL
are not a reflection on who their choice of candidate is.

And it's not a question of "letting them" revote--the state parties have stated that they won't do it.

And there's a corollary statement to yours: if Clinton wins the nomination and the MI & FL delegates are seated, then she will not be legitimate to a lot of people.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:29 PM
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6. Yes, you are right. Neither will be fully legitimate without a proper revote for them...
So, there you have it guys.

Hillary or Obama.

Tainted election.

Neither fully legitimate.

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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:31 PM
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10. BS. We all voted. We will be seated. Worry about your own state.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:24 PM
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15. And there, just below, is why there won't be a revote.
There are people, for whatever reason, who are against it. It does no good to attempt to attack candidates over something they don't control.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:29 PM
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7. The Democratic ticket: Abomination/Judas 08'
Abomination is going to let FL and MI be shut out. So is Dean.
The Democrats are just as bad as the GOP.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:30 PM
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8. If you define "slightly ahead" as "insurmountable lead", you've got a point....
..
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:39 PM
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11. Here's what I hear a lot of..."Stick a fork in her, she's done"
http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/
Open the link, page down, run some scenarios by sliding the arrows L or R for the remaining primaries.
Say to yourself "She can't win without begging SD's to undo the will of the people. She's done."
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:40 PM
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12. uhh.. Obama is way ahead.... not slightly nt
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:47 PM
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13. I think you scared them
They are easily spooked when you suggest that Obama doesn't have a 100% chance of winning.

Of course he doesn't. Because if he was certain to win, they wouldn't spend their time bashing Hillary with full-throated fury.

How is it that the 100% certain winners are so desperate?

--p!
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:52 PM
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14. "How is it that the 100% certain winners are so desperate? "
It's because she cannot win and yet continues to obstruct.
She needs to step off in order that we can begin working as a team against the real enemy "McSame".
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:50 AM
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20. How can she obstruct something she has no ability to affect?
I'm sure you've heard the horrifying cliché "Just Say No". You have the option to simply stop dealing with her and focus on John McCain -- yet you aren't doing that.

The news media are also saying that Hillary is a big, bad obstruction. They, too, could choose to boycott her, the same way they are choosing to promote Barack Obama.

Well, I think we both know what the truth is -- Hillary still has a reasonable shot. The calls for her capitulation "for the good of the party" only underscore our insecurity and highlight our weakness as a political force. The chance that Team Obama could implode is actually significant. And if Hillary gets a couple of million votes ahead of Obama at convention time, Obama will be in the George Bush seat. Not to say that it looks good for Team Clinton, but she's down, not out.

My odds? Obama over Clinton 70/30. If she wins PA by 15 or more points, 60/40. But she's only http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html">behind in the popular vote by 2% or so. And most of the remaining states are Clinton strongholds. Obama needs to hold the line in PA and IN, and cream her in NC and OR. And he also has to craft a new narrative about FL and MI, especially if she comes close, or it will look like the fix was in for Obama to win dirty.

For all her faults, we know that Hillary can take heat, stress, attacks, and political near-death experiences. If Obama can't cope emotionally with a tough competitor like Hillary, he's got no chance as a world leader. If Team Obama can't sweat out a white-knuckle primary season of six short months, they (you?) have no business being in politics.

And if you can grit your teeth and deal, I'll back you to the hilt.

No question whatsoever.

--p!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:26 PM
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16. She's showing she'll do anything for the nomination
except go against or speak ill of McCain.
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:27 PM
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17. I live in Florida and it doesn't matter to me.....he will be legit...
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:34 PM
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18. Why blame Obama for the blunders made by MI's elected officials who
contrived this phony primary - Governor Granholm, Sens. Levin & Stabinow and a bunch of other DLC people who want their candidate to win.

What the hell kind of primary did they give us leaving off the names of Biden, Edwards and Obama? I live in MI and don't recognize HC as the legitimate winner of our primary.

All of these names were on MI's ballot until the DNC told MI that delegates would NOT be seated and the candidates withdrew their names. At that point, the primary should have been put off until Super Tuesday.

A primary is held to give ALL the dems a chance to pick a candidate, and an EARLY date should have insured that ALL names would be on it.

Maybe you want your vote for Hillary counted, but I voted "uncommitted" and sure don't want mine to go for her.

This is a very fishy situation.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:37 PM
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19. Where do you get the "slightly" from? If I have miniscule chance to win, am I slightly behind?
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