As a Democrat, why should I give a Flying Fuck what Racists and Repugs "care" about in the GE?

[FrenchieCat]

It's not like they care about what I think. :shrug:

I thought that Democrats were meant to offer Americans something different from what the Republicans offer? I didn't know that we were supposed to try to appease Republicans and racists in "hopes" that they would vote for a Democrat during the General Election.

I thought that we were simply supposed to show up in greater numbers than them. I thought that was the whole reason that we wanted to convince Independents, young people and more minorities to vote Democratic? So that there could be more of us than them. Considering that 40% of folks who could vote in these United States don't, seems like we've got quite a pool to energize.

I also believed that based on the strength of our Democratic platform, our chosen framing and our policy arguments of pointing where our country is, that the general election was supposed to be about persuading Americans to vote in their best interest. Isn't that why there is an election to begin with? Isn't that why Democrats won congress back in 2006, precisely because we were offering a different alternative to Republicans on Iraq? We wanted to end the iraq War, and the Republicans didn't? :shrug:

But yet, all I ever hear from Hillary Supporters and her surrogates in rationalizing why Hillary should get the Nomination; is because she is a better General Election candidate. But what does that mean, truly? I want someone to tell me why they think that Republicans or Independents will choose Hillary over McCain?

Well, I've got news for you; I don't want to be a Republican. I don't even want to agree with the DLC mentality that has made the Left move towards the Right. I didn't like NAFTA, DOMA, DADT, Bankruptcy Laws, The Telecommunications Act, Banking Deregulation, China Free Trade, IRAQ, and Sex scandals....and I certainly don't like saber rattling against Iran.

So please tell me again why would want to be a Republican Lite in 2008 and vote out of fear as to what the Republicans will do or say?

Also, I don't want to please the ignorant White Fucks who won't understand media propaganda and who are allowing themselves to be hoodwinked because it serves their personal prejudice, and who don't seem to understand what being patriotic truly means. We either will have the strength to turn them around, or we won't. And so, Why should I cast my vote according to what they think? How is that helping our cause? How is that helping my children?

These same Republicans and Ignorant White Assholes the Hillary Supporters talk about won't be voting for Hillary Clinton anyways.....so why am I caring about them so god damn much? The only people voting for Hillary in great numbers are Blue Collar Democrats and Republicans who won't be voting for her during the GE. But the Blue Collar Democrats are the ones that care a great deal about their own economic survival these days. Why will they be voting for a Republican? Because they are racists? I believe that once Obama has made his case, they will be getting on that Obama wagon so fast, till it won't even be funny.

I believe that Obama will garner enough new voters tired of the bullshit, enough fired up minorities, enough young people who want change, to kick the republicans' ass!

Plus, Obama will have the perfect Vice President, and will be awesome as our GE candidate, and afterwards as our President.

I don't need to fucking appease the fucktards. That's what those who voted for the IWR were doing in 2002...and we still lost the 2002 election.

So please, Racists, Right Wingers, Dumb White Fucks and Hillary supporters who dare make this dumbass case; please know.....I don't give a shit what these people "think", just like they don't give a shit as to what I think! And no, I don't believe them to be in the majority. That's what Hillary supporters thinks, which is why they want us quaking in our boots!


SO I SAY HELL NO TO THE DLC MENTALITY!
IF I WANT TO APPEASE REPUBLICANS THIS GENERAL ELECTION, THEN I'LL JUST VOTE FOR ONE!
IF I WANT TO CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT WHAT THE RACISTS THINK, THAN I MIGHT AS WELL JUST BE ONE!

[EffieBlack]

1. :-)

GO, Frenchie, GO!

[NewHampshireDem]

2. K&R!

[apocalypsehow]

3. I always figured the HRC boosters peddled that line to excuse her campaign's race-baiting tactics.

I don't care what they think, either, but the HRC boosters are always peddling the line that we've got to get down on our knees and lick the boots of racists.

Excellent OP! K & R.

:thumbsup:

[FrenchieCat]

8. You've got them pegged. That's why her whole reason of being

stinks!

They want to fellatiate the ones we are supposed to persuade or fight against. How dishonorable is that? Why should Democrats stoop to that?

[billbuckhead]

44. Howard Dean said we should reach out to the Confederate flag crowd

[JAbuchan08]

48. He was making the point that Democrats shouldn't ignore those voters

not that we should become them.

50 state strategy anyone? :eyes:

[cboy4]

4. ......

:spray:

[billbuckhead]

5. Because racists are a voting majority and this nation is a sort of democracy

and not a crusade.

[FrenchieCat]

7. Like I said, then you can just be one.

and the fact that this nation IS a democracy is exactly why I ain't voting out of fear as to what those who frighten me the most want. I would be as stupid as them if I did.

Period.

[buff2]

9. Some people just don't have a clue

That's why this country is so fucked up right now.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Yep.......The ones pushing demonizing via guilt by association won't probably get a clue......

till it is them that "they" come for.

[buff2]

11. I think that Wright matter is over

I haven't heard anything lately about it,it's all about Hillary and Bosnia.Obama on vacation will bring non-stop Hillary F-Ups.

[billbuckhead]

43. Hillary's opponent went on vacation so he didn't have to go to church

:rofl:

[buff2]

45. Oh.......

:spray: I think you may be W-right! :rofl:

[IsItJustMe]

6. K&R

[Major Hogwash]

12. They didn't vote for Kerry in 2004 or for Gore in 2000, so I agree, their opinion means squat to me.

If David Duke endorses Hillary, I could care less.

They were never going to part of the Democratic base anyway.

[FrenchieCat]

14. It's all about the new and young voters, and energizing minorities, and

getting those against the war to vote for a real anti-Iraq war candidate.

That's what it should be about.

[Major Hogwash]

15. That's what it will be about, once Hillary gives up on her delusional dreams for conquest.

She's one of the leaders of the DLC, so they have lost it big time and maybe forever.

I hope.

They don't need to keep putting up such crappy, unvetted candidates.

[FrenchieCat]

16. DLC struggling to remain relevant! Too bad for them if they lose.....

But I'll be real happy!

[MaraJade]

35. Right. . .

It is, after all, the YOUNG against the OLDER FOLKS. Everyone knows that young people know it all
and should DEFEAT the elder ones. Who gives a fuck about the concerns of the old. The Young are
here and they alone are the wave of the future. Older folks should die (and leave their money to
the young) and thereby decrease the surplus population. After all, the old have NO CONCERNS that
any young person has any obligation to attend to. . .

[Catherina]

13. I'm with you. I don't care what they "think"

When you start caring about how people react to your thoughts you're giving them control over your thoughts.

My only thought to the DLC and any other Clinton organ is "suck this".

SO I SAY HELL NO TO THE DLC MENTALITY!
IF I WANT TO APPEASE REPUBLICANS THIS GENERAL ELECTION, THEN I'LL JUST VOTE FOR ONE!
IF I WANT TO CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT WHAT THE RACISTS THINK, THAN I MIGHT AS WELL JUST BE ONE!

[stillcool]

17. Your problem is as clear as day

you think! But aren't you afraid of the big bad Republicans being led by their fearless leader John McCain? I can just see him and John Warner leading the charge. Picture it.

[DUyellow]

18. First "K&R" ever

[ClassWarrior]

31. Congratulations!

You picked a good place to start.

:toast:

NGU.

[Carrieyazel]

19. You shouldn't of course, but these people vote in GEs and there are many of them.

and they'll cause enough trouble to make us lose in several states.

[unkachuck]

20. K&R!!

[flowomo]

21. I tried to answer your question in another thread....

I'm not trying to hijack your thread, but you did get me wondering, so I posted a reply here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5259653&mesg_id=5259653

[FrenchieCat]

23. Too bad you didn't just answer here.........

that is a bit rude.

Plus, I'm not Obama....I am me, and was me long before Obama was known. I speak for myself, always.

[flowomo]

26. I don't want anyone to think of me as rude...

so I will answer here as you request:

As I read hunreds of posts on DU every day I wonder how many of them Barack Obama would look at and say, "I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message"? I ask this in terms of Obama because what makes him so appealing is exactly his unwillingness to approve messages that amount to essentially, "fuck them and everything they stand for" with respect to the people who oppose him, whether mildly or vehemently or insanely. Clinton has shown a willingness to approve just about any message and that's the way it is. But I read pro-Obama posts here that are so un-Obama-like in content or tone, that I wonder if his message is reaching his own supporters. Obama represents the intersection of politics, civility and understanding -- all of which require that we not demonize anyone, including those who would demonize or damage us.

As a Pennsylvania voter, I was undecided for a long time, am now fairly certainly going to vote for Obama in our April 22 primary (the yard signs we bought from his website arrived yesterday, though that was mostly my wife's doing), and will gladly vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is. And I will still post in Clinton's defense when she is being trashed for no good reason even if she is not the nominee. I don't have to hate somebody to like somebody else.



Your answer seems to be that you are not Obama and that you don't speak for him. Both true and no one would deny it. But my question is different: If Obama supporters don't live the Obama political philosophy, then what chance does that philosophy have of spreading?

[FrenchieCat]

28. When a candidate is selling racism (to superdelegates) as a factor for them to turn against

a candidate who is actually winning......my politeness "can't we all get along" meter gets broken.

that is why.

[flowomo]

29. but your remarks are not just about the "candidate"....

but include "the ignorant White Fucks who won't understand media propaganda and who are allowing themselves to be hoodwinked because it serves their personal prejudice, and who don't seem to understand what being patriotic truly means." And many of the "independents and young people" you want to bring over to Obama are in that group. My view is that Obama believes he can reach those people -- and would have no hope of reaching them whatsoever if he began with, "fuck them." That's the message I took from his speech on racism -- an amazing speech, and I teach public speaking. His "can't we all get along meter" is not broken -- and more importantly, he's saying that without a working meter we're going nowhere as a country.

[FrenchieCat]

32. I'm just ranting....cause I'm pissed.....

an I'm just one of many.

The attacks and the ennuendos and the smears and the guilt by association need to stop. Those are the politics that we are trying to get away from, but Hillary has taught me that this cannot be done till she is down for the count, and then some!

[Taxmyth]

22. These White Fucks, Republicans and Ignorant White Assholes, ad nauseum

are our brothers. Or our cousins. Or friends. Or Aunt, Uncle, Boss, BFF or someone else who shares the nation America. Yeah, we ain't all brain surgeons (though I know one), rocket scientists (I know two of them) or Golf Professionals (I know about a half dozen of them). We're all angry about the war though no one can really claim a consensus about what to do after we leave the place. Who's going to protect the refineries and shipping ports? America functions on oil and it's hard to find any reasonable person that thinks we should just up and leave and let things fall where they may. Gas prices are up and consequently so are prices on everything else that has to go on a truck so what happens in Iraq in the next few months, years and decades could possibly effect us here in the US.

That's not a Democrat, Republican thing. The availability of oil effects every single American tremendously. We couldn't stop the cabal from going into Iraq and we're damn sure going to have to pay for what they did for a long time. And we are going to have to pay for the troops coming home. PTSD is going to be mentioned in a lot of households, Democratic and Republican during the next few years. Sometimes being an American is frustrating. We have our good points and our bad. We come in all races, religions, nationalities, 2 sexes and a billion different hopes dreams and desires. We are not the names used in the OP, we are Americans.
.

[FrenchieCat]

24. You missed my point, didn't you? I said that I'm not going to vote to appease them......

regardless of the fact that we are all in this nation.

They had their turn when we got Bushed.

It is now our turn.

[MethuenProgressive]

59. "We are not the names used in the OP, we are Americans." GREAT post! I hope the OPer reads it!

Someday.

[ClassWarrior]

25. Amen! Why does Russ Feingold consistently win with HUGE numbers of (R)s & (I)s?

Because this most liberal of Senate lions runs to the center?? Because he coddles the Rape-Publicans and racists?

Or because he doesn't think of an elephant?...

The losing strategy is to move to the right, to assume with Republicans that American values are mainly conservative and that the Democratic party has to move away from its base and adopt conservative values. When you do that, you help activate conservative values in people's brains (thus helping the other side), you offend your base (thus hurting yourself), and you give the impression that you are expressing no consistent set of values, which is true! Why should the American people trust somebody who does not have clear values, and who may be trying to deceive them about the values he and his party's base hold?...

http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/lakoff/no-center-no-centrists

NGU.

[FrenchieCat]

27. That's what I'm talking about.......

But it appears that Clinton and her loyalists haven't learned anything. Congress goes Red till 2006....but somehow, everyone keeps worrying about what Republicans will do....that's how we qualify our own candidates....which is super sick.

[ClassWarrior]

30. Super-sick is right. We need to quit letting those hacks write the script.

Thanks Frenchie. Your perspective is refreshing.

NGU.

[Norrin Radd]

33. hear hear!

[MaraJade]

34. Keep on believing that Obama can get elected without

Hillary supporters. Keep on dreaming. Drink the Kool-Aid and dream of the change that will
come.

Better yet--hold your breath. . .

[knixphan]

36. FrenchieCat,

You're my new hero!

(Salutes)

Couldn't agree more.

[bhikkhu]

37. K&R. Couldn't have said it better!

[apocalypsehow]

38. *Kickety-kick*

:kick:

[ClassWarrior]

41. .

[chyjo]

39. I completely agree

I support Obama 100 percent and I think he brings so many new people to the table that these types won't matter. Having said that it is somewhat disheartening for me : I live in a fairly conservative suburb of Buffalo, NY and even my "liberal" friends are more or less center or center-right dems. When I talk to a lot of them about supporting Obama I can definitely feel them internally grasping at straws to find reasons not to vote for him. On the other side I have never before seen so many 18-20 year olds energized over a candidate.......... it is exciting. As for the previously mentioned reactionary types, I will continue to work on them. I am pretty much confident that we can get all the Kerry voters in my area to vote for Obama and then a bunch more come November.

[ClassWarrior]

60. .

[crankychatter]

40. Contrast 50% of the Non-voting Electorate w/a Handful of Republicans

People don't vote out of a conviction that corruption is endemic and their vote is meaningless...

NOT apathy so much

I've been waiting for Obama since the assassination of RFK

They wonder WHY we're so passionate...

I wonder WTF they've been smokin'

[ClassWarrior]

42. Well said. Why are we chasing smaller and smaller slices of the pie...

...when we have the key to the whole bakery?

NGU.

[madrchsod]

46. come on frenchiecat-tell us how you really feel!

:pals:

[MethuenProgressive]

47. Yet another "vote for BO or you're a racist" thread....

Learn a new song.

[ronnykmarshall]

51. Shut up you ignorant white fuck!

:sarcasm:

[MethuenProgressive]

52. I'm shocked! Wouldn't a post containing a phrase like that get the OPer tombstoned?

Shocked, I say.
:sarcasm:

[ronnykmarshall]

53. Stunning isn't it?

I'm sure I'll get T/S'd soon!

[MethuenProgressive]

54. If that other poster gets a granite cookie, you'll be next!

:popcorn:

[ronnykmarshall]

55. Monkey's will fly out of my ass first.

Not on me getting T/S'd but the OP. I stand a better chance since I support "that woman".

[MethuenProgressive]

57. Do monkeys fly out of the typical white person's ass?

That'd be like, wicked awesome on YouTube.



edit: I spell like I have monkeys flying out of my ass

[Adelante]

49. I know what your problem is, FrenchieCat

You are not sufficiently AFRAID

You have to get with the program.

FEAR FEAR FEAR :scared:

[Kitty Herder]

50. K&R

[anonymous171]

56. From what I've seen here it looks like the Dixiecrats have rejoined the party.

[MethuenProgressive]

58. You misspelt Obamacrat there, anon

They're touchy about having that misspelt.

[FrenchieCat]

61. They've been hiding under a rock, I presume!