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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:41 PM
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"I won't pray with Wright, but I will pray with these people" (warning pic heavy)
Coe
Inhofe
Santorum
Brownback

Doesn't that kind of make Clinton a bit of a Freeper? :wtf:

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:41 PM
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1. Santorum was fucking creepy.
I'm glad he's out.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:43 PM
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2. They are literally part of the larger circle of rubes that includes Ashcroft and Tom Delay.
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:02 PM
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13. is he the man on dog Santorum?
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 11:03 PM by better tomorrow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_controversy

Some of you Hillary supporters need to take notice.....(depending upon your sexual orientation) Remember....HILLARY PRAYS WITH HIM....
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:43 PM
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3. I really hope the media picks up on this
but I have a feeling that this is not as exciting as a "Dangerous" black preacher
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:44 PM
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4. And don't forget the "Fellowship" enforces sex segregated housing for their activities....
how the fuck can people like Gloria Steinham even stomach that?
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:45 PM
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5. I'm looking forwward to the Book on the Fellowship
coming out in May
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:52 PM
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6. When did she say that?
or is this just another smear?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:23 PM
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7. The Fascist Church of the Almighty Dollar
where they worship Mammon every Sunday.

Give me Rev. Wright ANY SUNDAY over these filthy, rotten scumbags.
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usyankee Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:28 PM
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8. HiLIARy v. Obama or is it v. Wright?
‘HiLIARy’ v. Wright or is it Hilary v. Obama?

In a court of law, Hilary wouldn’t have a case against Obama for Wright’s constitutionally protected words, nor would she Wright. But lies HAVE gotten people impeached and indicted. A ‘misstatement’ would be exaggerating the sniper fire, not creating it out of nothing. You can multiple by 2, or 3 or 4, but you can’t multiply by 0. If it was as bad as she said it was, she would have been endangering her child’s life, punishable in a court of law.

As for asking why didn’t Obama say something to Wright concerning remarks he never hear, let our founding fathers answer that question. Our Founders constitutionally separated church and state, therefore, Obama has no more right to control Wright’s way of conducting his congregation than Wright has to tell Obama how to conduct his politics. Hilary said, words are just words, but these are not Obama’s words they are Wrights words which Obama has denounced.

However, “I landed under sniper fire” IS Hilary’s words. I don’t see a difference between that and “There are weapons of mass destruction.” Why is Hilary being handled with kid gloves? She lied multiple times and it’s MORE than a ‘wee bit silly’ for her credibility as someone the American People can trust. What will she do in the future? No doubt more of the same. Along with the very UNChristian comments of ‘The Tonya Harding’ knee-busting threats.

The media has been biased in favor of Hilary in this matter. How so? We saw loops over and over of Reverend Wright, a former marine and navy seal, and made desperate attempts to connect the dots to Obama. Yet not once did anyone show the snippets of Obama’s 2004 speech when he so proudly spoke of America. “There is not a black America…or a white America…or a Latino America…” “We worship an awesome God…” “We are ONE people all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes…”

My question to MSNBC is why is Obama (and even McCain) getting religion bashing, and Hilary hasn’t been touched?
I did note this week, until this time that Hilary was suspiciously silent. Perhaps the answer is in the picture The New York Times resurrected of Bill Clinton with Reverend Wright at the National Prayer breakfast which Hilary also attended. This breakfast is a yearly event held by “The Fellowship” that is by invitation only in which the Clintons are affiliated. This is a mostly Republican, and what some Washington politicians call-- the Christian Mafia-- a power cult with a very unchristian agenda known as the “Fellowship,” that has Nazi originations. Nazi originations.

With dubious tax exemption status, this Capitol Hill group is not open to the public and based on secrecy along with the belief that they are the chosen ones, and like King David, can commit sins that will be absolved because they are the chosen ones for power. Hilary has been approached by the media about her affiliation with it but has declined comment for she has been sworn to secrecy.

This time it’s not ‘just words” but actions delivered by a destructive religious movement has now achieved almost total control over the three branches of the U.S. government, as well as several state governments. . In true Machiavelli form, the results justify the means, even at “The People’s” expense.
Yet, when approached, regarding this picture of them with Reverend Wright, Clinton spokesman used the same phrase they used when a picture popped up with the Clintons in a cozy picture with Rezko, “Bill Clinton met with, corresponded with and took pictures with literally tens of thousands of people…”

What the American people may not realize is those that belong to this prayer group, the Fellowship, are sworn to secrecy and hidden with the exception of their yearly prayer breakfast to which people come by invitation ONLY. Wright was INVITED by President Clinton to speak at this 1998 prayer breakfast. I am sure that he was investigated prior to his invitation. In addition, he received a thank-you note from former President Clinton about six weeks later:

Dear Pastor Wright:
Thank you so much for your kind message.
I am touched by your prayers and by the many expressions of encouragement and support I have received from friends across our country.
You have my best wishes.
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton

Hmm… “Thank you so much for your KIND message.” A kind message during Clinton’s troubles with Monica. They seem to ‘misstate’ a lot and ‘forget’ a lot. Haven’t we had enough of that with our present President?

Does she really think the American People are that naïve? For all her self-righteousness, it is obvious Hilary’s pastor didn’t teach her lying was a sin, and President Clinton’s invite for religious leaders including Reverend Wright to attend the 1988 National Prayer meeting regarding his lies didn’t reach them that it’s not right to lie to God, or the American People. ‘By their fruits they will know them (Christians). I see some very rotten fruit.
We are blessed with this great nation but along with this greatness comes responsibility to our Creator and each other. Two candidates want to conquer and divide, no matter what the cost. One wants to unite. Two want to divert our Constitutional rights. One wants to returns our inalienable rights to us.

Who sounds more Christian? Who sounds more patriotic?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:35 PM
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10. Good post.. welcome to DU ! I truly think people need to read a lot
more about The Family, Doug Coe, the Founder of The Family, their mission, their activities and most importantly, their goals. The author of the upcoming book wrote extensively about it in Harpers.

She describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Undercover Among America's Secret Theocrats

Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.” 11. The Los Angeles Times reported in September that the Fellowship Foundation alone has an annual budget of $10 million, but that represents only a fraction of the Family's finances. Each of the Family's organizations raises funds independently. Ivanwald, for example, is financed at least in part by an entity called the Wilberforce Foundation. Other projects are financed by individual “friends”: wealthy businessmen, foreign governments, church congregations, or mainstream foundations that may be unaware of the scope of the Family's activities. At Ivanwald, when I asked to what organization a donation check might be made, I was told there was none; money was raised on a “man-to-man” basis. Major Family donors named by the Times include Michael Timmis, a Detroit lawyer and Republican fund-raiser; Paul Temple, a private investor from Maryland; and Jerome A. Lewis, former CEO of the Petro-Lewis Corporation. The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C.


At the time Hillary began running for President, she had graduated into Coe's most Elite Cell: The Senate Prayer Breakfast.

Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular. We contacted all of Clinton's Fellowship cell mates, but only one agreed to speak—though she stressed that there's much she's not "at liberty" to reveal. Grace Nelson used to be the organizer of the Florida Governor's Prayer Breakfast, which makes her a piety broker in Florida politics—she would decide who could share the head table with Jeb Bush. Clinton's prayer cell was tight-knit, according to Nelson, who recalled that one of her conservative prayer partners was at first loath to pray for the first lady, but learned to "love Hillary as much as any of us love Hillary."

Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in "parliaments all over the world," with all welcome so long as they submit to "the person of Jesus" as the source of their power.


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:31 PM
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9. She did pray with Wright
he sat next to her at Bill's forgive me for my transgressions because I could breakfast.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5190177

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:43 AM
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18. Apparently she won't now... : /
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:58 PM
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11. It would be very informative if some media coverage of these connections were Exposed
Since the media decided to pry into Rev. Wright, then they should also do us the same exact courtesy and pry more into Hagee, Parsley, and The Fellowship.

After all they thought it was a good idea to expose Wright. They also should expose the others. Fair Game.

I would have preferred none of this interfering with presidential campaigns, but since they chose to open the Pandora Box, we need to see what else is in there for ALL of the candidates.

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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:00 PM
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12. Is this the FELLOWSHIP?
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:08 AM
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14. Yes, that's the Fellowship.
It's a little too much for me. One of their central beliefs is that they received their positions of power from God. It sounds too much like what we already have in the WH. :scared:
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:09 AM
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15. Doesn't that kind of make Clinton a bit of a Freeper?
Yes
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:09 AM
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16. K&R
I've been thinking the same thing, BaC.

:wtf: indeed.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:39 AM
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17. National Prayer Breakfast, Feb. 2007
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