Recently released tax returns show the Obamas gave almost NOTHING to charity

[Rageneau]

Hope this isn't a dupe. It OUGHT to be -- it's the kind of story that should have been posted hours ago, and, if it applied to Hillary, would have 30 threads going about it by now. But I didn't find this posted anywhere when I searched.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obamas-gave-les.html

The Obamaniacs have been howling and howling for Hill and Bill to release their income tax returns. I bet they wished they'd never raised that subject now. Because when the Clintons finally DO release their returns, you can be certain they'll show that they have been very generous to the less fortunate in recent years. (In the past, their returns have always shown exactly that.)

But until 2007 -- the first year Obama KNEW his tax return would become public and be discussed -- he and Michelle apparently shared the same attitude toward the poor as old white republican men do, to wit: "I got mine. Screw you!"

Obama gives less than one-percent to charity and has the fanatic support of most of the MSM.

Tell me again why I should support a man like that.

[Johnny__Motown]

1. He gave more than I earned.... sorry ......

[TahitiNut]

48. An average of over $21,000/year for seven years is hardly "nothing."

For a young family with two young children, keeping two homes and paying off student loans ... not bad.

[Laurab]

110. Barack Obama gave 240,000 to Charity in 2007.

Just to correct the OP - I posted a thread, but no one is looking, so I'm posting it here, too!

[ProSense]

2. They weren't recently released. They were recently posted online. More than $130K is not nothing

Where is Hillary's returns?

[Rageneau]

13. The percentage is the thing. Good people -- like the Clintons -- give a higher one.

The Clintons' tax returns will eventually be released. When they are, I will send $50 to the Obama campaign if they do not show that Bill and Hill gave a MUCH larger percentage of their overall income than the Obamas did -- as well as a higher dollar amount overall -- to various charities.

Is there any Obama supporter who is foolish enough to compare the Obamas generosity to the Clintons?

IOW, anyone out there willing to promise to send $50 to HRC if the Obamas DON'T turn out to be more generous than the Clintons?

[ProSense]

22. "The Clintons' tax returns will eventually be released." How do you know what they've given?

Are you kidding with this?

[Rageneau]

29. I know what they gave when they were in the White House. They released their returns every year.

Hillary has promised to release her returns if she becomes the nominee.

So if you guys REALLY want to see them...

Vote Hillary!

[ProSense]

31. Where are her 2000 to 2006 returns? n/t

[Stephanie]

35. *crickets*

you won't get an answer to that one. when is the press going to demand her tax returns? it's unAmerican of her not to release them. seriously. she's setting a bizarre precedent. it's never been optional before.

[redqueen]

89. *dodge* *shuffle* *sidestep*

[mckeown1128]

41. wait wait wait.... lol

Is that the new slogan...

"if you want to see her tax returns... vote Hillary" lol lol lol

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[Hippo_Tron]

52. The Clintons are wealthier and can afford to give a higher percentage of their income

When Obama is an ex-President and makes $30 million in speaking gigs a year, he will be able to do the same.

[powergirl]

69. How will we know if she won't release her tax returns? n/t

[here_is_to_hope]

75. Well, they gave more than you have given to DU....n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

101. Best Post in This Thread! ^5!

[scheming daemons]

78. Prove the Clintons give more..... oops...they won't let us KNOW how much....

...

Sorry.... all criticisms of Obama's giving are null and void until and unless the Clintons release their tax returns for this decade.

[Yes We Did]

80. The Obama's are right along with the average americans.

And the Clintons should give more, Bill WAS the president, right?

[SaveAmerica]

85. How much money someone gives to charity does not show if they are a good person or not

[mythyc]

109. good people ... like the Clintons, ... uh

squirted tea out the nose on that one

:spray:

[Bonobo]

3. A lie of course. He gave hundreds of thousands in charity to his church.

[DURHAM D]

18. Church and charity not the same. eom

[99th_Monkey]

37. In many cases this is true (like with Falwell, et. al., but NOT in the case of Rev. Wright's church

that has always done stellar work addressing poverty creatively and effectively.

sorry, no cigar.

[davidinalameda]

38. they aren't?

do you know for a fact that Trinity UCC doesn't do any sort of "charity" work or does all the money that the members give to the church only go to benefit the church itself

http://www.wfn.org/2008/03/msg00098.html

Located in the heart of Chicago's impoverished Southside, Trinity UCC's vast array of ministries include career development and college placement, tutorial and computer services, health care and support groups, domestic violence programs, pastoral care and counseling, bereavement services, drug and alcohol recovery, prison ministry, financial counseling and credit union, housing and economic development, dozens of choral, instrumental and dance groups, and diverse programming for all ages, including youth and senior citizens.


but I guess since a church sponsors these activities, that doesn't make them "charitable" or whatever you're getting at

[quakerboy]

51. you can sod off

I bet my old church has done as much charity work as you and any 20 of your friends(that was our congregation, yet we ran medical missions overseas and did regular meals for the homeless. and a few dozen more things.)

Church and charity are not always so different. Ever heard of the Salvation Army. Its a church.

[theboss]

67. Churches and charities are exactly the same

I would much rather give money to my church than a beauracratic mess like the United Way.

[JerseygirlCT]

95. Yes, they are. Legally, they are. And in this case, that's what

matters.

In this particular case, the church does a huge amount of work in the community. Giving to the church is a good way to channel support to a host of community needs.

[Muttocracy]

4. so the richer you are and the more you can give to charity

the better person you are and better president you'd make? huh?

[blonndee]

5. Recently released Clinton tax returns show...

oh, wait. Nevermind.

[Nia Zuri]

6. he thithed to his church which means a tenth of his after tax income

[Bake]

76. My pastor always told us to tithe on the gross, not the net.

His idea (apart from the fact that revenue would increase ... LOL) was that God should come before the IRS.

Bake

[mac2]

7. No he wants our tax dollars to go to Faith Based Charity

for votes.

[gristy]

8. Is this a showstopper? A big deal for you?

I feel sorry for you. Well, not really.

[TwilightGardener]

9. Coming up next....Obama's CHARITY SHOCKER!!!

:rofl:

[Citizen Kang]

10. How much did Hillary give, Senor Hillbot?

Oh, has she even make her tax returns public?

Hypocrite.

[Rageneau]

16. The Clintons have made their returns public many times and soon will do so again.

And when they do, they will make the Obamas look like the selfish pikers they are.

[ProSense]

21. Obama's returns from have been out there for years, as they become available. What's the hold up

with Hillary's returns from 2000 to 2006?

[TheDoorbellRang]

11. It really IS silly season

I also recall them saying they'd just recently finished paying off their student loans.

Are we gonna hear next how he spent too much on pop and cheetos?

[Hepburn]

12. Speaking of donations....

...where is YOUR star evidencing a donation to the DU?

:eyes:

Edit for typo

[ossman]

14. Oh snap!

[Catherina]

15. Amazing isn't it? Who do these "concerned pillars of society"

think they're fooling?

[BattyDem]

32. LOL!

:toast:

[cherokeeprogressive]

103. Which Bugs Make Noise by Rubbing Their Legs Together? Oh Yeah... CRICKETS!

[progressive_realist]

17. Deliberately misleading headline

The next part of the Bloomberg article reads as follows:

The Obamas increased the amount they gave to charity when their income rose in 2005 and 2006 after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book. The $137,622 they gave over those two years amounted to more than 5 percent of their $2.6 million income.

<snip>

``As new parents who were paying off their large student loans, giving $10,000 to charity was as generous as they could be at the time,'' Burton said. The tax returns don't reflect any donations for which they didn't or couldn't claim a deduction or any volunteer work they might have performed.

The Obamas' giving pattern is consistent with that of most other Americans, said University of Georgia Professor Russell James, who has studied the issue.

His analysis of more than 56,000 survey respondents from 1995-2005 found that 90 percent of donors give 2 percent or less of their pre-tax income to charities, including their churches. Americans who earn more than $150,000 on average gave about 2.2 percent of their income.

<more at link>

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a.dMoapeTcME&refer=us

[lligrd]

19. More Likely, That Is All They Claimed

I give a heck of a lot more than I claim because I don't keep receipts on all of them. I also give a lot to organizations and individuals that are not recognized by the IRS.

[Forkboy]

20. LOL....oh you guys.

You slay me with your jokes and gags.

Wait...you were serious? :scared:

[donheld]

23. Oh aren't you precious! You got you a sweet little cookie to

bash Obama with. Isn't that special.

[MaraJade]

24. I'm not at all surprised! He is, after all, an empty suit. . .

all bluster and arrogance and nothing else. Have you heard his followers on this website?
What a bunch of ARROGANT and PRIDEFUL people! Somehow, they have talked themselves into
the fantasy that they can abuse half of the American people and still win. They actually believe
that Obama will accomplish things without the cooperation of the House and the Senate!

What fairy tales they believe!

Oh-- Obamaites-- GOOD LUCK in the GE!

[FrenchieCat]

26. It is so easy to put on ignore a person with worthless posts like yours......

Good luck in the GE to you.......sounds like you prefer Republicans anyways.

[ossman]

28. Promise you'll move to Canada then...

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. Way to prove her point.

:eyes:

[intaglio]

54. Ahhh, there, there little one

did the big bad man come and scare off the nice lady with the big teeth.

Arrogance is exemplified by the Hillary Campaign, the Inevitability slogan that she approved was arrogant
Pride is exemplified by the Hillary campaign - where she has again and again exaggerated her experience

Go away and exercise your emotional attachment to Hillary elsewhere

[tabatha]

25. They had loans to pay off, and have children to raise.

[PM7nj]

27. How much have YOU donated to charity in the last 6 years?

[Hepburn]

33. Sheesh.... the OP...

...could not even pony up $10.00 for the DU that he spews all his shit on. I doubt if he has donated to any charity. Just a user...

[Rageneau]

45. More than one percent.

And I don't live near as well as the Obamas.

[ossman]

47. I donated a million billion trillion too? Prove it cheapskate. Donate to DU

[NewHampshireDem]

30. A little deeper and maybe this explains why

The Obamas' tax returns also show they had little in savings during the same period. They reported no dividends or capital gains over the five years and reported $33 in taxable interest, all of which was received in 2002.

This is consistent with the campaign's claim that they were paying off student loans and such. :shrug:

[JI7]

34. until recently they were still paying off debts such as for college

[Mooney]

36. Who the fuck cares?

I couldn't care less if he (or Hillary) gives one dime to anybody.

What a worthless fucking metric to use to judge whether or not someone should get my vote. Why don't I vote for him based on his singing voice while I'm at it?

[bridgit]

39. I suppose it matters for people who still believe that charity starts at home

[Mooney]

40. But why should it matter if they even give to charity at all? n/t

[bridgit]

46. After all the brouhaha with Wright and what all? It's still considered no-less than...

a Christian Value; a Spirit/Faith Based Value if easier to chew on. The great faiths of the world give to charity O8) Not giving when one is flush and doing well in life is too akin to Ebenezer Scrooge...as a literary mechanism if easier to chew on that, but there it is :(

[Hippo_Tron]

53. I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't approve of judging others based on how much they give to charity

[bridgit]

60. You don't know that *at all*, neither of us do. I've seen BO supporters ignore many things...

just to position their guy back underneath the light they've been conditioned into seeing him within. But to ignore the relationship of Jesus, the concept of Jesus, or the great faiths of the world to charity? Is to discount the importance of charity to every person in need of charity itself.

I have no confidence Jesus would consider that a tenable position to hold for very long. Atheist/Agnostic recognize the value of charity.

[Mooney]

56. I just don't see this as a relevant issue in an election.

Unless somebody does something especially loathsome, I don't think that a politician's personal behavior has any relevance as an election issue.

What they've done in their capacity as a politician is relevant, and what they've done in the context of their past political experience is relevant --- for example, I think it's fair to judge HRC on what she did as First Lady, since she's putting that out there as part of her experience that qualifies her to be president. But what she or Obama do with their own money is their own business. I don't see any relevance to the election here.

I don't care if a politician hasn't given one cent to charity, ever. I don't care about their clergymen or what religion they practice. I don't care how many old ladies they've helped across the street. None of this stuff matters, even remotely.

[bridgit]

61. I think it's that they've given so little. I think if they had given a $100,000 to a soup kitchen...

on the south side you'd be singing a different tune. It may not matter to some, but of course to matters to others as to where a politician slips their many. We'd both have a valid protestation you & I, if we discovered money from either BO or HRC or both was going for a new shrine in DC to Molech right next to The National Museum of the American Indian, please...

We don't have to care that the Bush family purchased with their money, as a further for instance (it was our money, it is theirs now what do we care); 190,000 acres atop the largest fresh water aquifer in South America, and that they give two figs for charity...but we had better be aware of just what these disbursements really mean for the larger picture

[Mooney]

70. Why would I be singing a different tune?

I meant what I said --- the way a politician handles his or her personal finances just doesn't matter to me. If Dick Cheney gave a billion dollars to the Christian Children's Fund it wouldn't change my opinion of him one iota, because my opinion of him is that he's an ideologue, an imperialist, and an incompetent. What he does with his money is the last thing I need to worry about.

I think it's ridiculous that we hold politicians to this standard anyway. I don't care if my interior decorator has given to charity. I don't care if my plumber has served in the Peace Corps. It's not relevant to whether or not they can do their job. So it's also not relevant to whether a politician can answer the 3am phone call, if they can reverse the damage that George Bush has done to the constitution, or if they can end the war.

If my doctor leaves a surgical tool in my abdomen by accident, I'm not going to care if his church ministers to children with HIV. By the same token, if I need the surgical tool removed, and the doctor who performs the operation does so competently, I don't care if he has never donated to charity in his life. It's not relevant.

It's also not my business and it's not my place to judge. But that's another discussion altogether.

[bridgit]

73. If nothing matters, if nothing has any impact on your decisions in life...

Then why do you pick the candidates that you do? Why do you pick the produce, bread, or drinks that you do? Do you consult a Ouija board? Do you get a little tickle somewhere near your fancy?

If you are not privy to the relationships between charity, ministry to HIV/AIDS, and the caring overview that may then impact not upon your receipt of a surgical tool in your abdomen 'by accident'; then *that* is a matter for another discussion altogether. Imo, yours is proof BO supporters will deny the nose on their faces to get their guy a little further down the road.

Again, Dick Cheney is only incompetent in that you have not benefited from his efforts directly. Many that live on the block he does feel he is highly competent...and not less so. I, on the other hand, consider him pernicious & nefarious wherever he lives.

These other mentions of yours bare upon professional certification. Even interior decorators. And your are not able to make the case, that you'd prefer an interior decorator, certified or otherwise, who's portfolio included work performed at Dick Cheney's house by your own template. Insofar as plumbers....

My husband was a 25yr journeyman industrial/commercial plumber. They are certified as well. He quit working for a company the instant he discovered the supervisor was a Klan member. Yep, the KKK. So my suggestion would be to be more careful in making certain arguments that may seem ironclad up against your personal experience. He also knows of a plumber that did federal time for juking the government on a government contract.

People that give to charities trend toward being more caring people. Being cognizant of the needs of one's community is a Lib/Pro tenet. Jesus, it has been suggested, is the ultimate Lib/Pro guy. If you'd care to go up against all that that implies; then that is truly your business and none of mine own.

Though I do wish you all the best with that

[Laurab]

77. His church is a charity - or did you miss that part?

Perhaps some people give to places where they can see they're really helping, rather than giving as a tax deduction.

This is not, nor should it be, an issue, but to suggest that Obama is not a caring person due to his tax releases is more than a bit of a stretch.

Though I do wish you all the best with it.

[bridgit]

84. Of course not, here, from the OP link: "The Obamas' donations to all recipients totaled $2,350...

"...in 2000, $1,470 in 2001, $1,050 in 2002, $3,400 in 2003, and $2,500 in 2004. They also paid federal taxes totaling $311,044 during the same period on their $1.2 million of income. - jpt"

I suppose it can be said we're all doing what we can

[Laurab]

88. Oh I wish the Clinton's would release their returns...

I'm quite sure there are FAR more interesting things on them than how much they gave to charity - for example, where they've gotten their money from. Of course that won't be happening anytime soon because they don't want people to know these things. Unless of course, she's the nominee, whereupon they'll magically appear (maybe - I'm not so sure she keeps her "promises"), and lots of people won't want to vote for her for THAT reason.

If this is all you've got, it's pathetic.

[bridgit]

90. Here, Laurab, allow me to info you as just what pathetic really looks like...

It's you, dear, as this sub-thread started here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5260335&mesg_id=5260808 I'll just put you down into the "Who the fuck cares?" column, unless & until someone mentions your uber-cool guy, eh?

Criminy, talk about going off target = typical Obamatron gibberish :spray:

[Laurab]

105. Well, I don't KNOW Mooney, but he seems pretty cool...

And really, "dear", doesn't the fact that HRC won't release her returns give you ANY pause? Well, no, as I can see, to you, it's going "off target", but I assure you there's a reason for it, and it's not to hide how charitable they were.

I've never been called an "Obamatron" before, nor have I ever called anyone a "Hillbot" or any of the other childish names on here, but thanks for the picture - did you color it yourself?

Ahh Hillary - that beacon of peace, honesty, integrity - yes, I can see her admirers are all about important facts. I particularly like it when she's giving McCain so many props - don't you? :eyes:

[bridgit]

107. Color it? Me? No. It's from a website called explodingdog. But thanks for the sentiment...

however snarky, as I'm quite sure it was in earnest http://www.explodingdog.com

[Mooney]

81. Wow.

You say so many things in your post that are so off-target I barely know where to begin. I guess I'll just begin at the beginning.

First of all, I never said that "nothing matters" or that "nothing has any impact on life." What matters to me when picking a political candidate is what political positions they advocate and the likelihood that they could make them reality. Everything else is superficial and irrelevant, if not an outright charade designed to distract voters from indefensible actions. You're unlikely to find, for example, a more outwardly religious and ethically upstanding member of the Senate than Joe Lieberman, but that holds absolutely no water with me when I look at his views on the war and how aggressively he wants to prosecute it. On that basis, he's as likely to get my vote as Tom DeLay.

As far as how my viewpoint regarding a political candidate's charitable history is indicative of the typical Obama supporter's opportunistic attitude, you're going to have to explain that one to me a little further. I'm not seeing it. Please explain further.

I may not have benefitted directly from Dick Cheney's efforts, but that has nothing to do with my contention that he's incompetent. I believe he's incompetent because of the Bush administration's effect on the economy, the environment and the Middle East. He and President Shit-For-Brains have done severe, incalculable damage in those three areas that are going to take generations to undo, and if that's not incompetence, I don't know what you'd call it.

It actually wouldn't make any difference to me if I hired an interior decorator who had done work for Dick Cheney. My father used to own a carpet company whose clients included James Taylor and Henry Kissinger. These are odious, repugnant individuals who have made the world a worse place to live in, but that doesn't mean that my father couldn't install a mean carpet.

I also reject the notion that people who give to charities are inherently more caring people, any more than people who vote Democratic tend to be better people. My sister's ex-boyfriend of many years was a die-hard lefty who donated to every environmental charity you can imagine and did tireless volunteer work for many Democratic candidates in New York City over the years. He was also a petty, controlling, mean-spirited shithead who cheated on my sister numerous times and had no compunction about isolating her from her friends and family. His donations to Greenpeace didn't mitigate that. By the same token, it's possible to give not one cent to charity and be a decent person. Charitable donation is only one metric out of possible hundreds by which to judge an individual, and you can't judge people on one metric alone. Haven't you known people who engaged in virtuous behavior who were also completely loathsome? And haven't you known decent, good-hearted people who have done bad things, for one reason or another?

I can understand if you feel like politicians are not analogous to people in other professions, but I think it depends on what you're looking to get from them. All I want from my dentist is to get my teeth cleaned, and all that I want from my politicians is for them to represent me effectively in their respective offices. I think it's a mistake to want anything more from them than that. I'm an Obama supporter, but at the end of the day, I'll vote for Hillary Clinton if she's the nominee, because I'm sure she'd make a capable executive, and she would likely make Supreme Court appointments that would be less objectionable to me than the ones John McCain would make. But if I were looking for more than that out of politicians, I would probably be disappointed over and over again, and I would never vote.

I'm also an atheist, so I can't comment on any of this as it relates to Jesus or any other religious figure.

[bridgit]

83. From my post above, "Atheist/Agnostic recognize the value of charity."

[Alter Ego]

58. I recall a campaign tactic used against FDR

back when he ran for President: that his crippled legs somehow made him unfit to be President.

[Yes We Did]

42. First off, this is the "claimed" totals.

Second, how much did you donate?
Third, The Clintons should donate more, they make a hell of a lot more.
Fouth, When the hell are the Clintons going to release their tax records so we can scrutinize them like we are Obama?

[mckeown1128]

43. Obama-gives-100's-of thousands-to-charity-gate nt

[ORDem]

44. How could it possibly apply to Hillary, she won't even release her tax returns. n/t

[Kurovski]

49. That stuck-up Obama NEVER gave me a penny! And I'm still voting for him!

Just out of spite! He deserves the headache of being the goddam president!!

[johnnydrama]

50. too bad for the Obama's

Michelle wasn't so lucky in the cattle futures department.

[DainBramaged]

55. Tell me again why I shouldn't ignore this thread and author

oops, I did anyway, buhbye.

Obama gonna get ya, run away, run away.


Misinformed, a condition whereas the poster believes bullshit that doesn't exist, or, propaganda.

Obama gonna get ya, run away. run away.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Alter Ego]

57. You guys are really, really reaching.

Anything, ANYTHING to smear Obama with, no matter how trivial it may be.

I swear, you people would be squawking it to the world if you found out he puts his pants on left leg first and you thought it could help Hillary somehow.

[NYCGirl]

59. WRONG. THEY GAVE 6%, after they paid off their college loans, which is HIGHER

than the national average. Like you were EVER going to support him, right.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/25/805820.aspx

The Obamas became more charitable as their incomes grew. In 2000, the couple gave $2,350 to charity, or about 1 percent of their gross income. In 2006, they donated $60,307 to charities, or about 6 percent of their gross income. In 2005, the Obamas list a $5,000 donation to their church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where the controversial Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., was Sen. Obama's pastor. If Sen. Obama tithed more regularly to the church, there's no record of it in these tax returns.

[izzybeans]

62. Another day in the life of TMZ, the false outrage channel.

[book_worm]

63. Looks like they gave quite a bit. When will Hillary release her tax return?

and did Bill and Hillary have a growing family to support and were they paying off their college loans?

[angie_love]

64. WoW!

He gave alot more than I did!

[goletian]

65. obama supporters wouldnt make threads about a nonissue for hillary

they have more important things to worry about, like outright lies. and hillarys attempt to destroy the party. charity, huh? thats a pretty good one. hope it works out for you, lol.

[theboss]

66. $125,000 is nothing?

Al Gore gave $300 in 1997.

[NoodleyAppendage]

71. He has TWO YOUNG CHILDREN who will need money saved for college, wedding, etc.

The point, which you are apparently oblivious to, is Obama RELEASED HIS RETURNS AND HILLARY REFUSES TO RELEASE HERS.

J

[JoFerret]

93. And their noses deep in the trough

How much does a wedding cost?

[NoodleyAppendage]

96. Wedding average cost $20-30K...not cheap by any means. n/t

J

[JoFerret]

98. that's the bride price these days?

ridiculous.what nonsense all that is


Luckily they have super rich parents who are set for life.

[NoodleyAppendage]

99. As the father of two girls, trust me. I AGREE! :) n/t

J

[cornermouse]

72. kick

[sabra]

74. you do realize they had no savings and college debt until the last few years

and since then they have given over 400k to charity...

[InsultComicDog]

79. So I should base my choice for commander in chief on what percent of income s/he gave to charity?

Please.

[cooolandrew]

82. Barack has only made money in recent years through his book so he didn't have his. DETAILS HERE...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHdvU_NJzIcI&refer=home

[berni_mccoy]

86. WHERE ARE CLINTON'S TAX RETURNS?! Schmuck!

[zulchzulu]

87. Let's compare Obama's avg. of $300+/day to the Clinton tax returns...

Click to see their returns:
http://www.wavlist.com/soundfx/014/cricket-2.wav

[Teaser]

91. I don't report my charitable giving...

Getting a tax benefit because of a good deed is something I don't want...because then I'm not sacrificing anything.

[walldude]

92. I can be certain that they were very generous?

No, apparently only you can be "certain". With your crystal ball that told you that Obama was a cheap fuck. How do you know he didn't need the money for something else those years? Funny that you and ABC fail to mention the $125,000 he gave away in 07... More fucking fake or misplaced outrage...

[Condem]

94. I haven't given to charity, either.

Not one fuckin cent to the Clinton campaign!

[SoonerPride]

97. This gets you on my ignore list. Really.

go to hell.

[TwilightGardener]

100. This has to be the weakest angle of attack on a candidate that I have ever seen.

You're really bankrupt of ammo, aren't you? The stench of desperation is strong.

[AZBlue]

102. So what? You're missing the point - the Clintons' income is in question, not their donation level.

[ourbluenation]

104. I DONT GIVE A SHIT.

I'm supporting him all the way to Pennsylvania Ave, baby!!!

[onenote]

106. why do you hate al gore and love dick cheney?

Since you seem to judge people on the basis of their charitable giving, I guess you don't have much use for Al Gore, who famously reported making only $353 in charitable donations on his 1997 tax return. And, on the other hand, you must worship Dick Cheney, who gave around $7 million to charity last year.

And, by the way, your premise that Obama gave virtually nothing to charity "until 2007" when Obama knew his return would be public, is flawed on so many levels its hard to know where to begin. First of all, Obama's charitable giving increased significantly starting in 2005, not 2007, which coincided not with the first release of his returns to the public, but rather with a significant increase in his family income. And, as has been pointed out, Obama's tax returns have been made public for a number of years,not just "in 2007".

But, I wouldn't expect a cheney worshipper to care too much for factual accuracy.

[Bigleaf]

108. Obamacats response? Look into his eyes for one moment.

You guessed right.