Who wants to bet that most of the MSM is off the Clinton lie story already

[shadowknows69]

And probably back to Pastor Wright. I can't bring myself to watch any of the morning shows so someone will have to confirm or deny for me. Hope I'm wrong.

[shadowknows69]

1. Nothing about it on the front page of CNN or MSNBC online

They both have the "Chelsea fields Monica question" story.

[OHdem10]

2. This was only a Media "Gotcha Story" from the beginning.

"Gotcha Stories " do not have a long shelf-life.

[shadowknows69]

8. Gotcha story my ass. It speaks to the very heart of her integrity

Or apparent lack of it in this case. They've asked every Joe blow about what they think of the Wright non-scandal for going on two friggin weeks. I'd like to hear the opinions of military types on what they think of Senator Clinton cheapening their service to political parlor games.

[hill_win_2008]

47. "Non-scandal"?!?

You can't be serious about that one? Come on, it speaks to his (Obama's) heart more than Hillary's mistake.

[shadowknows69]

49. Oh so listening to a liar/hater is worse than being one?

Ok, try again.

[hill_win_2008]

60. You're the hater!

Obviously you are the hater. Can't you admit that people make mistakes? At least Hillary can.

Obama certainly can't. He still embraces his hating pastor.

[DemVet]

3. As they should be. Back to the Rev. Wright story.

[bigtree]

4. sure, the historic visit to a war zone by our Democratic First Lady

. . . trumps the opportunism of the folks looking to bury Clinton on that ONE misstatement, which didn't 'damn' America, had no demeaning racial context at all, and wasn't asserting that the U.S. government was responsible for spreading AIDS to the black community.

[Independent-Voter]

10. One "mistatement" my ass. It was in her book, as well as multiple speeches.

She a fucking liar with a paranoid streak that would make Nixon blush.

[bigtree]

13. her book appears to be accurate. And if you want to use that standard

Your candidate is a LIAR, as well.

[tekisui]

11. Not "ONE misstatement". A LIE repeated four times.

[Perry Logan]

14. I question your logic. You can't know this without being able to read Hillary's mind.

[shadowknows69]

17. there's no mind reading involved here

There's video. Give me a break Perry.

[Perry Logan]

34. Insufficient evidence. The video is consistent with a false memory or memory glitch.

[tekisui]

39. Unfit for Command.

[Perry Logan]

43. You'll have to nail Hillary with something better than this. Mixed-up memories are near-universal.

[tekisui]

50. This one won't nail her. But it adds another layer.

[Independent-Voter]

51. Yeah - I'm always getting "Going to McDonald" confused with "running from a hail of sniper fire"

What a bullshit apologist.

[Perry Logan]

53. Let it go. People misremember significant events to a extraordinary degree.

[shadowknows69]

54. Oh cry me a freaking river

isn't what we've had for 8 years, misstatements, misremembered things and mischief? Why do you want more. This woman sounds more like Bush every day! This was a calculated thought out fiction told on four occasions. It is indefensible.

[mwb970]

69. WTF? "Mixed up memories" about being SHOT at?

This is getting silly now.

[cooolandrew]

61. OK explain her doing it twice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iEqB1tENuY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4

[tekisui]

21. Please, she said "no greeting" "running to the vehicle".

This has nothing to do with memory, and if you want to go down that road, it was remembered so wrong that she is clearly mentally unfit to be CiC.

[bigtree]

31. And she backtracked on the statement, just like Obama has on several of his.

But, by MY standard, I'm not going to call him a liar. By your own, he certainly is one.

[bigtree]

20. a misstatement, in my view. I still can hold my view in America, right?

And I should be able to hold that here without the ridicule which folks dish out here like assholery was a virtue.

[shadowknows69]

25. Misstate

mis·state (ms-stt)
tr.v. mis·stat·ed, mis·stat·ing, mis·states
To state wrongly or falsely

[bigtree]

37. as Obama has, in several instances in this campaign.

so, you can use a dictionary. Look up hypocrisy, in reference to the Obama supporters who are harping on this. Glass houses.

[shadowknows69]

46. I don't defend anything Obama may have lied about,

But if it's the BS talking point about him being dishonest about how much hate speech he's seen from Wright then I'm sorry, you still have the lower hand. A verifed lie is a little more dastardly than one that's implied by a candidate's followers because "They're sure he's lying about it"

[bigtree]

55. I'm not even using that instance as a guide, & I'm sure many of his 'misstatements can be uncovered

. . . if the Obama camp persists in this.

By your standard, Obama LIED when he failed to acknowledge over $150,000 in funds raised for him buy Rezko. And, by YOUR standard, he LIED when he said that Rezko's only involvement in the purchase of his home was a passing reference to the property. He later revealed they had, in fact, done an extensive walk through of the property together.

And, by your standard, Obama LIED when he claimed his 2002 speech was made 'in the midst of a Senate campaign' when he hadn't even yet declared he was in the running for the seat.

[shadowknows69]

59. Well believe it or not bigtree I agree with you about Rezko

Look, I'm a Kucinich supporter and I'm voting the lesser of two, hopefully not evils, I'm, simply thinking of the GE at this point and this little slip of Clinton's memory will be used in greater effect against her than a financial misstatement will. The sheeple don't like numbers but they love the patriotic shit. McCain will rip her to pieces on her "experience"

[bigtree]

62. the fact remains that she made a historic trip to a danger zone.

Try and compare that misstatement about the trip which was compared the only preceding one undertaken by Eleanor Roosevelt, with one made by a rival about something under investigation or subject to its own controversy, like Rezko.

[shadowknows69]

66. So by your logic, and viewing the Wright scandal with the same criteria

The fact remains that Obama remained a devout Christian for 20 years. So why aren't we focusing on that positive? As far as historical? I really feel that only the first time is really worthy of that title.

[bigtree]

71. I agree that Obama is a devout Christian and a good man

who does not share the controversial views expressed by his pastor.

[shadowknows69]

72. .

:thumbsup:

[slinkerwink]

73. it wasn't a danger zone. The Bosnia war ended a year before she visited.

[tekisui]

30. You can hold whatever view you wish.

But, I really don't understand anyone who thinks this was anything but a whopper of a LIE.

[Independent-Voter]

32. Your view is fucking rediculous, and deserving of ridicule

[bigtree]

42. Then your view is fucking ridiculous and deserves ridicule.

I'm not going to accept ANY of that from the duplicitous Obama campaign and his duplicitous defenders.

[JerseygirlCT]

36. As Pat Moynihan said:

You're entitled to your opinions; you're not entitled to the facts.

[shadowknows69]

12. It cheapens the service of every soldier in that conflict or any other

That really have bullets flying at them.

[leftofcool]

19. RW talking point

[bigtree]

24. Well, that's just bullshit. The visit was a historic one. NOTHING takes away from that fact.

Especially not the incessant nattering of Obama partisans.

[JerseygirlCT]

29. She repeated it many times. It wasn't one misstatement.

It was a concocted story, and she was caught out on it.

[bigtree]

44. It was an exaggeration in a campaign FULL of exaggerations

BFD.

[mwb970]

45. This "misstatement" you mention....

It's actually a lie, isn't it? A lie she repeated several times. But for you, she just "misspoke". How does that work? Was she as surprised as everyone else to hear herself make this false statement? Or is the idea that she "forgot" that she had walked calmly across the tarmac, "remembering" instead a headlong rush with bullets flying? Come on.

We've already had a delusional, lying president. It didn't work out.

If this keeps up much longer, I will be as sick of Hillary as I am of bush. And that takes some doing. And some lying! (Sorry, "misspeaking".)

[bigtree]

52. If it is a lie, then Obama has LIED repeatedly as well, about issues more pernicious

. . . than the circumstances surrounding the historic visit to a war zone by our Democratic First lady.

[mwb970]

58. You change the subject instead of addressing what I said.

Are you a Republican by any chance?

[bigtree]

65. the old 'accuse the poster of republicanism' attack. Brilliant.

I'll answer the bullshit which flies around here as I please.

Welcome to the amalgamation called, Ignored.

[mwb970]

68. Your unwillingness to respond to the substance of what I said did it.

You may answer the "bullshit" any way you want, my friend. But when I ask you to explain this mysterious "misspeaking" of Hillary's, you say, with no sense of irony, "Well, Obama lied too".

Time for words of one syllable. Every time we liberals criticize bush for his latest illegal act or horrific statement, the bushbots say "Clinton did it too! What about the blue dress?" Are you somehow unable to see that when I criticize Hillary and you shriek "Obama did it too!" you sound like a Republican? Just how deep does it go with you? My goodness.

[leftofcool]

5. Gotcha story

[tekisui]

9. Credibility story.

No gotcha, it was a lie.

[LEW]

6. First story on Today Show

I'm watching Andrea Mitchell do a story on Clinton right now, this is the first story of the day. Going over her Bosnia lie, why she is bringing up Rev. Wright at this time, and how it is an attempt to deflect from her, also her not releasing tax returns. Isn't quite gone yet.

[babylonsister]

16. Good to hear, thanks. nt

[shadowknows69]

22. Excellent, as I said I only checked the web pages this morning

Last time I watched the morning talking heads my TV almost didn't survive it.

[Perry Logan]

7. I hate to tell you, but it was a dumb story from the get-go.

[tekisui]

15. I hate to tell you, but it was a dumb lie from the get-go.

More evidence of a horribly run campaign.

[Perry Logan]

18. I'm sorry, but you cannot know it was a lie.

[tekisui]

27. Come on!

You can't believe that, can you?

[Perry Logan]

38. With respect, I think your bias is ruining your judgement on this.

[tekisui]

48. Maybe.

But, in clear judgment, without bias, this was a blunder by the Clinton Campaign that could have been avoided, easily. The trip didn't need embellishing, it was honorable as is. Someone on the campaign should have caught it.

I honestly do not understand, though, how one's memory can be that wrong, without the intention to mislead.

[DemNoir]

23. Are you kidding?

Dumb? A long detailed story about something that never happened in a war zone, by a candidate for President?
That's front page news baby!

[JerseygirlCT]

26. I couldn't take your bet. I agree with you.

It's strange. And add to that how quickly McCain's many blunders are written off and wiped from the cultural memory.

Must. Focus. On. One. Angry. Black. Preacher.

It's just sickening, and bizarre.

[Vinca]

28. Last night I watched part of the Dan Abrams show on MSNBC and

Abrams pretty much said it was no big deal. I was pretty shocked. Of all the things I've seen politicians do over the years, this war story was one of the most disturbing. Her entire demeanor changed while she was telling it - she was intense and animated - it was strange. I was floored when I heard this wasn't the first time she'd told the sniper story. Why anyone would think this is unimportant is beyond me. It was more than a "misspeak," it was a little nuts.

[JerseygirlCT]

35. Abrams has been very supportive of Clinton.

And could they have gotten Lanny Davis more air time? Good grief - I finally get rid of him on MSNBC, and there he is again, polluting CNN. Cannot stand that man.

[Vinca]

57. He was annoying . . . and rude . . . he wouldn't shut up. nt

[JerseygirlCT]

75. With that phoney baloney smile the whole time, too

Talk about passive aggressive.

[EffieBlack]

33. Yep - they're right back on Pastor Wright

They are claiming they're back on it because Clinton brought it up yesterday. Any old excuse will do.

[JerseygirlCT]

40. Did you say right turn? Speaking of Wright...

Yes. It seems to require precious little provocation and we're right (sorry!) back to it.

[shadowknows69]

41. Then mission accomplished for Hillary

I have to hand it to her, she knows how to work the media that's owned by her powerful friends.

[Perry Logan]

56. You need to see this DUers article on the media's incredible bias against Hillary.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/157

[shadowknows69]

63. I read most of it when it was first posted. I'll give it a look.

It definitely varies by organization and individual show. It seems each show has basically chosen a side in this. The press has been broken for a long time. I think it still tends to lean toward "The Establishment" candidate, for that is who signs their paychecks.

[Benhurst]

70. And this fall the Establishment Candidate will be John McCain.

I think the confusion at the moment is caused by the corporate press not being able to decide which of the remaining two Democratic candidates is the weaker. They go back and forth pointing out the numerous and potentially fatal flaws of each, as they lay the foundation for what they hope will be McCain's victory in November. Once we select a nominee, their job will become simpler.

[shadowknows69]

74. Good analysis

The media is eclectic as hell. I agree that it will be all fuzzy for McCain though once the GE gets underway.

[SunsetDreams]

64. apparently we aren't watchin the same channel

Her lies are not going away.

[shadowknows69]

67. Good to hear, I'm wrong then.