Yeah, you choose your pastor. You also choose your husband.

[GarbagemanLB]

Talk about a lack of judgement in that area. I can't even remember the number of 'alleged' affairs there were between Bill and other women. Who knows why she stayed with him? That is a personal decision, just like staying with your church is. I seriously cannot believe she brought this issue up to try and deflect the blatant lies she said about Bosnia.

[jakem]

1. she stayed i would guess, because of all his great help in this very election...

:rofl:

[QC]

2. This must be the new talking point from the Obama Politburo,

since there were at least three threads on the same topic posted within minutes of one another.

[joeybee12]

3. Amazing...there's no depths to which you Bots won't sink...

...and you wonder why your candidate is un-electable.

[GarbagemanLB]

5. I said in my post that it is a personal decision, just like the church issue. She lacks the class to

see that, though.

[ShortnFiery]

11. Oh, we learn from you - if you want to help HRC trash and entire Christian Congregation of

8400 people - whose senior pastor retired a year ago and whose church has SEVERAL PASTORS, is it truly worth is to SLAM a Christian Church (many charitable works) along with Rev. Wright and Obama ... just for political gain.

If HRC assault on Rev. Wright continues Bill Clinton will have to sell his office in Harlem because African Americans are NOT FOOLS. It's despicable ... vile. NOT Christian to trash a man who has served Christ via preaching the social gospel. Rev Wright and his beloved former Church are MUCH
more valuable, Christian Works even ... than those FEW snippets that has been playing on a continuous loop in the M$M.

Why doesn't the M$M do an in depth piece on The Trinity Church of Christ - The Church and other pastors before throwing their entire congregation "under the bus."

Self-righteousness indignation while wrapping oneself in the American Flag is unbecoming if not VILE at this point for HRC. African Americans will NOT forget this great deceit. :thumbsdown:

Does HRC conveniently forget that Rev. Wright was INVITED to her WH after Bill had his "I have sinned!" moment?

[nxylas]

4. Yawn

Sorry, I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I really don't care about her home life. I'm also having a hard time caring about "snipergate", because I just naturally assume that all politicians lie anyway. If everything in Obama's autobiography is the absolute unvarnished truth, then I'm George Washington.

[leftofcool]

6. Thread 3 same subject

[GarbagemanLB]

7. Thanks for the kick.

[ChazII]

8. Ouch! n/t

[goclark]

9. I'm supporting Obama but she did explain it

I believe I heard her say something like "you can not leave your family but you can leave your church."

Maybe she is a true believer that you stick it out with your family. Many people believe that,especially if you have children and you're married to the President of the United States.

That is probably why Laura Bush has stayed.

[GarbagemanLB]

10. Then why didn't she leave after he left office and Chelsea moved out?

[Fresh_Start]

12. "for better or worse"

some Christians believe that vow is a lifelong commitment

[GarbagemanLB]

17. Do Christians believe in lying, as well?

[OhioBlue]

33. true - or War for profit?

[DemVet]

40. It is called FORGIVENESS

Try it sometime...you won't be so bitter.

[goclark]

47. To stay in a bad marriage makes you bitter and die a little

each day.

You dry up like "A Raisin In The Sun."

[goclark]

41. I'm in no way defending her

I've been through a divorce and in my view, a woman of the 20th/21st Century has the right to make choices.

I would have waited until he wrote his book, made money on his rich friends and left his sorry self with a bigger settlement, but that's me. :)

In my view, to stay in a bad marriage is not an option.

We can call it judgment ~ and if we do, then to vote for a War that you knew would be like your bad husband is unwise.

We can call it judgment ~ but to slime and trash your opponent,after you have been an abused wife,displays the anger that still sits inside of you from the marriage.

Come to think of it, she reminds me of several of my girlfriends that are not able to move on in their lives because they are still so deeply hurt by the ex-husband that beat them, hurt their children and kicked them to the curb.

This is a woman who had to have her marriage exposed to the entire world. We don't know if she was in therapy but she doesn't act like it worked if she did.

Maybe she should have fired her minister.

My minister was very supportive of me during my trials and during one conversation,he said to me -- " Do like Jesus did, walk right through it."

I thought he was out of his mind, but I swear to you, I thought about it and that is exactly what I did. I held my head up, I stopped my pity party and "Walked Right Through It."

Hillary has not walked right through it, she is a very angry,bitter woman when she should be the happiest woman on earth!

[MadBadger]

13. She said that you cannot choose your relatives, but you can choose your church

You can choose your husband and I think she is with her husband not becuase of some firmly held belief in the sanctity of marriage.

[Arkansas Granny]

24. I've known women who stayed with far less powerful men for the same reason.

[OhioBlue]

31. no - I think she was taking a hit

at O saying that the Pastor was like an Uncle - b/c that's what the right wingers use as a talking point.

She isn't a true believer in anything except power. She would drop Bill in a minute if it would help her in this campaign.

[goclark]

46. I agree, I would have dropped Bill

in less than a minute but in my view, she still believes that she needs him to be who she is ~

She would think that she could not run as who she is ~that would make her Hillary Rodham and she still feels she needs that name.

This is an interesting discussion because when you think about it, she originally wanted to be Hillary Rodham, then she changed to Hillary Rodham Clinton in the marriage,not sure but didn't she run for the Senate as HRC?

Anyway, now she has thrown her family name to the curb- "disowned" them if you will and become HC.

That is an interesting question for the Feminists that post here.

I can't get inside their brains because goclark is a woman and I don't allow any man to trash me.

See my post elsewhere on this thread.

However,to me a true Feminist is able to stand on HER OWN TWO FEET and not wait to be defined by a man that she is married to,lives with,has children with or dates... even if he is an ex- president.

[flor de jasmim]

14. The worst thing is that she seems just to be lashing out --

if she had thought about it, she might have remembered that people could feel free to point out the shortcomings of her pastor and religious affiliations generally.

if she had thought about it, she might have realized that if she hopes to bring people together she should not be alienating (again) large numbers of the population

if she had thought about it, she might have considered the wider perspective generally (which includes Bill)

This is more than just misspeaking or sleep deprivation (does she think she'll get more sleep as President?)--this is a hurt animal who has lost the ability to think strategically.

[Joyce78]

15. She may just honor her vow ... for better or worse, in sickness, etc.

Obama didn't have a marriage vow with Rev. Wright. However, two years ago he contributed $22,500 to Wright's church. It appears to me that Obama not only didn't stand up and walk out with his wife and daughters, as he should have, he enabled this racist, hate-mongering "Christian preacher". $22,500 is a nice contribution to Rev. Wright ... will that show up on Barak Obama's Income Tax files as a charitable contribution?

[MadBadger]

16. I'm gonna write you down as a Smear-Mongerer.

[ShortnFiery]

28. Yes, and Hill and Bills Pardons that were PURCHASED for $400,000 to their brothers

was a real class act with The Clintons for relatives, aye? :crazy:

It's been explained ad nausea that the vast majority of sermons focused on "loving Jesus" as well as there are SEVERAL Pastors to Trinity Church of Christ where Rev. Wright retired a year ago. But you continue to ignore the foregoing as well as INSIST that the man who brought Barrack Obama to Christ should NOT be considered "family." Isn't the church, as a whole, considered "a family?" Of course not when you are too busy touting blather of self-righteous indignation. :(

[goclark]

51. Church donations are tax deductible to my knowledge

People at my church donate their million dollar homes to the church in their Wills.

[george_maniakes]

18. because she wants to win, and this is how she thinks she will win....

by categorizing wright as unworthy. Unfortunately, this is going to burn her in the end, because wright's comments pale with those of oh-so-many other pastors/priests/and popes, who have far larger congregations, and are part of a voting block she still wants.

[GarbagemanLB]

19. With that single comment by her yesterday, she ensured she will lose a large portion of the black vo

te in November. She is unelectable.

[DemzRock]

22. Looks like they'll both be unelectable. Maybe the DNC *wants* to elect McCain to take the heat for

the coming depression?

[george_maniakes]

29. Just imagine if Gore got in in 2000, the resources america had available...

compared to now.

[george_maniakes]

23. she figures the black vote has no where to go so who cares.

she'll have a few months to say "its me or another republican". And really if your a loyal democrat whos black, what choice do you have?

[GarbagemanLB]

30. Third party. This is an historic election, and winning by knee-capping won't go over well.

[george_maniakes]

37. I can see independents voting thord party en masse , but i see black democrats...

if they really cant bring themselves to vote for hillary, would just stay home.

[goclark]

48. Sad to say but I agree with you

and I am Black. :cry:

[flor de jasmim]

20. Those of you bring up Wright - have you listened to any of his sermons in their entirety???

Or are you just spouting RW talking points?
And by the same token, do you advocate that everyone abandon churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. with fiery priests, rabbis....??? Where does freedom of religion start and end?

[george_maniakes]

27. obviously i guess she doesnt think highly of catholics. What kind of people...

would stick by that denomination after the words spoken by the leaders of that church?

[goclark]

49. Yes, I would advise those that wish to keep an open mind

and not have eyes wide shut, listen to the entire sermon.
The Republican hit men did a job of cut and paste.

The entire sermon is going all over the internet to my African American friends.

It should be on youtube but it sure has not been on a "fair and balanced" network to my knowledge.

[Arkansas Granny]

21. It's much easier to change pastors, however, than to change a husband.

[DemzRock]

26. This is true. Just go to a different church. No divorce needed. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

32. So the person who "brought you to Jesus" should not be considered "family?"

How convenient for HRC. :eyes:

[Arkansas Granny]

34. Changing pastors doesn't include legal documents or court dates. Just saying.

[GarbagemanLB]

38. So she stayed with him because it was 'too much work' to divorce?

[Arkansas Granny]

45. Don't be ridiculous! That's not what I said and you know it.

[goclark]

52. Not if your husband is a bully

and your minister has been their to support you in times of trouble or helping you to know Christ.

[EFerrari]

25. The nearer better comparision is her own choice of worship.

The Rev. Wright built a huge diverse congregation and his church embraces and serves the community.

Clinton belongs to a small exclusive group that believes Christian elites should rule the world.



:shrug:

[theredpen]

35. And as I wish to see no more slime about Wright, I'm done with slime about the Clinton's marriage

[aquarius dawning]

36. It's called forgiveness. It's what keeps most relationships functioning.

and, frankly, not all Americans are as uptight about sex as you appear to be. I would think Democrats would understand this better than republicans (I suppose you weren't alive in the sixties) but I guess when you're trying to "out-Jesus" someone to win, anything is fair game.

[DemVet]

39. Well said....I agree totally.

I think most people realize that forgiving a spouse is quite different than tolerating the words of a pastor.

Not on this board, evidently.

[george_maniakes]

42. I agree, when hillary starts moralizing on obamas decision to not abandon wright...

she opens herself up to the same kind of questions. Its a shame, because its only going to cause more distractions for the campaign in general. I mean, how should a catholic feel now, should he/she have walked out on his church a long time ago?

[aquarius dawning]

43. Please, don't even get me started on Catholicism.

[george_maniakes]

44. Do you see my point though? If Wrights not worthy, what happens when the press starts asking...

who is? Its the kind of thing that, instead of putting the pressure back on obama, just keeps it on her because it invites more questions.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

50. She's ultimate hippocrit, married in name only

their "marriage" is a business contract.

[PBS Poll-435]

53. I swear there is lead in the Obama Kool-Aid

You are riduculous. Obama made a political career out of this church and his experience as a "community organizer/activist." Rev. Wright as his mentor and friend is part of that experience.