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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:02 AM
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Handy Guide to Hillary Clinton's membership in the theocratic, neo-conservative "Fellowship"
Hillary Clinton has, by attacking Barack Obama's former pastor, opened up the discussion where it now can be exposed the religious organization with very conservative ties and questionable motives that she has belonged to since 1993.

The Fellowship (or “the Family”) accepts no dues, has no identification cards and members are told not to discuss the activities within the organization with the public. It is a secret, very conservative group with theocratic aims.

To begin this analysis, here is Hillary Clinton's attacking statement regarding Obama's pastor:

"I think that given all we have heard and seen, he would not have been my pastor," Hillary Clinton said while campaigning in Pennsylvania.

She added: "We don't have a choice when it comes to our relatives. We have a choice when it comes to our pastors and the churches we attend. Everyone will have to decide these matters for themselves. They are obviously very personal matters."

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/03/clinton-says-she-would-have-pa.html


Since she opened up a can of worms out of desperation for her multiple "misstatements" on her Bosnia visit and outright lies about what happened, here is some information on the group she belongs to, named the Fellowship (or “the Family”):

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html


There is more information on the Fellowship and some of its neoconservative members:

Clinton is part of not one, but two, prayers groups with distinctly conservative bents: an exclusive Senate prayer group that meets on Wednesday mornings, and a women’s prayer group that she’s been a part of since her early White House days. The women’s group is run by Holly Leachman, a layperson at the McLean Bible Church in Virginia, itself magnet for prominent conservatives, including former independent counsel Kenneth Starr, Republican senators John Thune and James Inhofe, as well as several Bush staffers and their families.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/12/hillary_clinton_4.html


More information on the members at the Fellowship:

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian “cell” whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the antiunion Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat. Clinton’s prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or “the Family”), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to “spiritual war” on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship’s only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has “made a fetish of being invisible,” former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God’s plan.

(snip)

The Fellowship’s long-term goal is “a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit.” According to the Fellowship’s archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship’s God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe’s Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/010937.php


More information about some of the members as well as some of the closet names for the organization that you may find participating in religious discussions in the mainstream media:

The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525?pg=1

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:11 AM
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1. Really??! Now THAT'S scary. Talk about condoning "hate speech."
NGU.


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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:33 AM
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13. This will be huge news next month
That's the media's plan to keep things interesting...the shit hits the fan in April
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:49 PM
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31. MSNBC starting to expose this...the rest will follow...game on...
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:12 AM
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2. keep these threads kicked
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:24 AM
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6. Good stuff... K&R'd yours
She wants to play the Religion Card...let's play...

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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:05 PM
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24. i'm game
:evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:15 AM
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3. Yes
Clinton is secretly a theocratic Christian conservative.

You guys are hysterical.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:20 AM
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4. That was my initial reaction too, but Mother Jones is a credible source.
Not easily dismissed. Tho I know some here will try, rather than keep an open mind.

FWIW, I haven't read the article yet, so I warily reserve judgement.

NGU.


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:23 AM
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5. And if you actually read the article
you find only that she prays with these people. What they don't mention is that most of it's done under the auspices of the Senate Prayer Group, a decades-old, bipartisan group. A group which John Edwards used to co-chair.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:31 AM
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10. Isn't that what a "prayer group" does? Prays?
:shrug:

NGU.


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:40 AM
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17. The Breakfast has next to nothingn to do with Hillary's membership in this Power Cult
The Breakfast is held one day a year as an innocent bipartisan affair. If anything, it serves as a front for the group organizing it.

It is seperate from the Prayer Cells that Hillary has belonged to for decades.

Think of how Rev. Moon's organization has all kinds of affairs with innocent sounding names to try and look legitimate.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:38 AM
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14. You are wrong. The Prayer Breakfast is 1 day a year. She's been in the Prayer Cell WEEKLY meetings
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 11:42 AM by cryingshame
for decades.

First in the women's group as First Lady and now she's in the inner circle of the politician's group.

So stop trying to sugar coat this.

The Breakfast is nothing more than an annual meeting that serves as a front for the group.

Very much like Rev. Moon's organization puts on all kinds of functions with cozy sounding names to try and gain legitimacy.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:26 AM
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7. She belongs to The Fellowship...
Is she just eating Twinkies in the back and not listening to the neocons?

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:27 AM
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8. No
she prays with some people who do, though. she belongs to the Senate Prayer Group.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:29 AM
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9. She just prays there, she's not responsible for what they say or do
oh, wait.................
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:32 AM
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11. She prays with the Senate Prayer Group
John Edwards used to be co-chair. It's not a secretive conservative Christian cabal.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:38 AM
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15. So when she saw the racist hatemongers in the group, and knowing...
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 11:39 AM by ClassWarrior
...the filth that they've spewed (Inhofe?? Sanctimonium??), why didn't she just quit? We can't quit our family members, but we can quit our prayer groups.

:eyes:

NGU.


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:46 AM
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19. Edwards was NEVER the co-chair of the group Hillary has belonged to for decades- stop LYING.
Edwards was co-chair of the group organizing the Breakfast. A ONE DAY EVENT that is not to be confused with Hillary's membership in the Cult's Prayer Cells.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:32 AM
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12. So Obama just prays at his church then...right?
Are you conceding that Obama went to his church with Wright preaching and was only praying? I doubt you think that...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:15 PM
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32. < < < < crickets > > > >
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:45 AM
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18. Are you dense or deliberately lying? The Prayer Cells she goes to WEEKLY aren't related to the Break
Breakfast in any way other than the fact the Fellowship sponsors the ONE DAY A YEAR EVENT.

Stop trying to pretend Hillary doesn't meet weekly with the Prayer Cells. She's done so for decades.

The Breakfast is one day a year. ONE DAY.

It's an attempt to cast the group in a legitimate and innocent light.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:24 PM
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26. she doesn't go to any church, does she?
but she's ever so judgemental of good fine people who do.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:48 AM
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20. MonkeyFunk is trying to confuse the Annual Breakfast with the Weekly Prayer Cell Meetings
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:40 AM
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16. This seems to be much more than just prayer meetings.
The Fellowship’s long-term goal is “a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit.” According to the Fellowship’s archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship’s God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe’s Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/010937.php



More information about some of the members as well as some of the closet names for the organization that you may find participating in religious discussions in the mainstream media:


The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525?pg=1



I wonder what kind of info exists out there about the other guises this group has operated under.

Talk about a stench...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:26 PM
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27. "Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities."
Sorry, but isn't that tripping just all kinds of red flags for anyone else?

That's cult stuff. Seriously.

And they've changed names over the years? Operated under different 'guises'?

:wtf:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:49 AM
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21. Did Hillary Clinton describe Sam Brownback as her "personal mentor"?
Did Sam Brownback provide the inpiration for the title of Hillary Clinton's autobiographical book?


I must have missed that ... :eyes:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:57 AM
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23. No, but she seems to have made all kinds of new friends lately...


Remember Richard Mellon Sciafe, the uber-wingnut who ginned up the failed RW coup against Clinton's husband? Why are they pals now?

NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:23 PM
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25. .
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:48 AM
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34. What a scary photo...maybe he's in the Fellowship too... n/t
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:50 AM
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22. "We don't have a choice when it comes to our relatives. We have a choice when..."
...it comes to our prayer groups, Senator Clinton.

Inhofe??! Sanctimonium?!? :puke:

NGU.


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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:53 PM
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28. K, R, & B.
Everyone needs to learn as much as possible about the Fellowship. :scared:
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:12 PM
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29. Kickity Kickity Kick & Rec
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:54 PM
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30. MSNBC starting to expose this
I just read here on DU that they are starting to run the story. It's about time....

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:11 PM
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33. Thanks for the info.
:thumbsup:
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