Air Force Pilot Who Flew Clinton to Bosnia Tells His Side of the Story

[RamboLiberal]

"No evasive maneuver. I tell ya, I will give to to the commander of Air Base Eagle... Not only were there no bullets flying around, there was no bumblebee flying around," Retired Colonel William "Goose" Changose said.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/68124.html

This story just gets better and better!

[book_worm]

1. but she came face to face with a Bosnian child quoting poetry

doesn't that count for anything?

[here_is_to_hope]

7. Only if that child was a Vogon...n/t

[WolverineDG]

31. ....

:spray:

You owe me a new keyboard. :thumbsup:

dg

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

60. When you go to the link, "DIGG" it up

there's a button to click on "DIGG", and you can help make the link more visible.

[SoxFan]

59. DUzy! DUzy!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[misanthrope]

43. "The horror. The horror."**nm

**

[redqueen]

2. And she did it all *herself*...

unbelievable...

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. 'No bumblebee flying around,"

I think that is a reference to a surface to air missile. But I like the story.

[Blue Diadem]

12. I think he really meant a bumblebee.

Meaning that's how tight security was..absolutely nothing could get through..not even a bumblebee.

[DefenseLawyer]

27. No! It was killer bees!

Fortunately Sinbad always carries Raid in his baggie pants ( I don't know why, you'll have to ask him) which he flipped to Mrs. Clinton, who made short work of the yellow and black menace.

[TwilightGardener]

30. Sinbad is my new hero. He started this ball rolling.

[Cha]

47. And hilary dismissed him as a ..

comedian! Sinbad is a comedian but hilary is the :+

[TwilightGardener]

48. What's funny is that comedians are generally wicked-smart--

I wouldn't tangle with them.

[Cha]

68. Exactly! You know that and I

know that but hilary knows what?

[Blue Diadem]

33. .

:rofl:

I can picture it now.

[Cha]

45. I think so too..Goose was being

satirical!

[Ichingcarpenter]

50. George Costanza

"Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it."

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Was she expecting all these people to stay quiet?

though since it took the intertubes to bring this out and not the MSM... I am starting to wonder if this was the plan all along from the GOP side and why they wanted her as the Dem candidate

[Recursion]

24. No, I think too many people are missing how much this disqualifies her

This wasn't a case of "she knew it was wrong and thought she could get away with it."

This is nearly as bad as McCain's buying a rug and not knowing that half the people in that market were killed the next week: Hillary has lived too long in the inside-the-beltway-bubble and sincerely and deeply believes her own bullshit now. She honestly thinks she dove into the humvee under a hail of sniper bullets because she's told herself that for so long and none of her staff have had the balls or ovaries to call her on it.

Get people out of Washington after 8 years for their own good.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. On a more general thing I really believe now that they wanted a McCain

Clinton contest, (not that I like Obama that much better FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE)

But seriously, this is also indicative of what is wrong with the country. Lying is acceptable, as long as you are not caught, at all levels of the private and public sectors now.

What astounds me are the number of people who'd have no problem calling commander AWOL's landing of the A-6 on the deck of a carrier for the lie it was... but cannot see this one as a lie

[TwilightGardener]

29. I think she's a sociopath. I don't think she believes it at all, but rather

has absolutely no qualms or conscience about lying to serve her own purposes. The fact that she assumed she wouldn't be called on it is pure hubris.

[Cha]

49. Exactly..she is so full of

it that she thinks she can get away with her lies but how many people know the accuracy of this? That's high and mighty chuzpah!

[ellacott]

5. No bumblebee

That's funny.

[Hope And Change]

6. K&R!

:thumbsup:

[slinkerwink]

8. kicking

[Johnny__Motown]

9. no Bumblebee... ROFL...

[Vinca]

10. What? Now the corkscrew landing is kaput, too?

:rofl:

[Johnny__Motown]

21. I'm not sure about that... I think it is standard procedure so not considered an "evasive maneuver"

But I could easily be wrong.... I have no military training.

[TwilightGardener]

25. I would guess that it's probably how they always landed there, just

in case. In other words, SOP, as you say--rather than a special "Whoa! Look out!" maneuver that would indicate ground fire directed at them.

[Johnny__Motown]

63. That is my understanding, but I am no expert

[gateley]

66. The pilot said they landed

exactly as they did every time they flew in to that base.

He also said, had there been sniper fire, they wouldn't have landed, period.

[DevonRex]

11. Great clip! K&R

[Blue Diadem]

Thank you RL K&R n/t

[Yael]

13. Bwa!

Love it. :rofl:

[NYDem Observer]

14. K&R

And the hits just keep on coming...

[Coexist]

15. did anyone think otherwise?

really?

[Johnny__Motown]

19. I thought that the "corkscrew landing" could be exaggerated into "evasive maneuver" somewhat fairly

But I posted days ago that they would not have landed if there was any danger. That seemed obvious.

And yes, she did this over and over again so some people listening to her must have believed it.

[TwilightGardener]

16. Oh, man! Better and better!

[Yael]

17. I recommend everyone listen to this. It is hilarious!

[gateley]

22. Yeah, the pilot is pretty entertaining. nt

[Window]

18. Ha ha. At the next debate. Senator Obama should ask her if she wants a flak jacket to sit on.

:rofl:

[Johnny__Motown]

20. ROFL.. omg I love this entire thread......

[Yael]

23. !!!

:spray:

[Cha]

53. Obama's too classy but I would!

Maybe one of the moderators should? I bet Obama and his team are working on how to respond to this and it should come up in the Debate. No way is she going to get away with this by saying I made a "mistake"..she lied and her mistake was lying.

[nels25]

67. My daughter likes to call things that annoy her

evil. I think she would apply that term to me if I was Barack in the next debate.

Because I am just ornery enough to bring up the final report from the special prosecutor in the Travelgate and Filegate mess (note I omitted Monica). He found her to be factually untruthful.

That ladies and gentleman is legal speak for lying (yeah I know he did not charge but only because a bunch of others had mass amnesia, or did not remember it that way) the reason this has become fair game IMHO is that her honesty is now a legitimate issue, and it also goes to the issue of how well she would do in the GE.

Because you can bet your bank account that the GOP will use it (and a whole lot more).:banghead: :hide:

[tabasco]

26. We knew that already.

But it's good to get confirmation.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

32. I bet they were INVISIBLE bumblebees!

That only Hillary could see, and she bravely swatted them away to protect the troops!

[ShortnFiery]

34. Correction, there was an armed militia of Africanized Bumble Bees sighted in the area.

There's also good intelligence, the Buzz on the wires was that they called themselves, "Al Quaeda in Bosnia." :rofl: :crazy:

[theredpen]

40. But did the Africanized bees have an uppity preacher?!

[Khaotic]

35. Wow ...

Not that we didn't already know it, but now people are coming out of the woodwork to confirm.

She was telling a hardcore bold face lie, period.

The contrast between running from a sniper and hearing poetry from an 8-year-old is harsh.

Kind of like ...

[Cha]

55. Over and Over again..hilly and bush really

do have a lot in common.

[eleny]

36. He says that they would not have landed if there was any danger of sniper fire

[nels25]

71. Seriously does anyone in their right mind

think that the Air Force or military in general is going to in any way shape of form put the First Lady and First Daughter in harms way??

It is farcical.

If she is going to try a whopper, she should at least try it when their are very few news scribes around, and certainly when there is not new film crew around.

And she is better able to answer that 3am call in morning??:rofl:

[City Lights]

37. Wow. She really stepped in it. Big time.

She's made a complete ass of herself.

[Ian_rd]

38. Such Hillary Hate! Shameful. You hate all women and are in the mindless Obama cult!

Hehe. OK, OK, just in case it's not obvious: :sarcasm:

[Cha]

57. No, unfortunately it wouldn't have been obvious

to me 'cause I don't recognize your name and it's all too familiar..so thanks for adding the :sarcasm: this one time. :)

[Ian_rd]

78. Yea. I've definitely been here long enough to know that sarcasm must always come with the gif

Besides, gifs are fun: :beer:

[Araxen]

39. ROFL!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[loveangelc]

41. tisk tisk hillary tisk tisk.

[TwilightGardener]

52. Bwahhh!!

[Window]

62. OMG!!! Too funny!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Cha]

42. Thank you, Goose!

Not even a bumblebee flyin' around!

hilary: "Now this is what happened"! "Sit on your flak jackets." Whoa hilary!

"No idea what they went through to make it safe." rusty

"Didn't tell her secret..Goose was an officer and a gentleman!"

Sinbad is the comedian..hilary is the :+

[Catherina]

44. What a sexist pig

:sarcasm:

Hey, how come I don't see a single "ignored" in this thread?

[Johnny__Motown]

46. they can't respond to this.... how will they attack the guy who flew her in?

[bigtree]

64. I don't know this man from fuck, but he can lie like anyone else.

like I said, I don't know this man from fuck.

And he sounds like a jackass who's deliberately gunning for Clinton. But he supports the bullshit which is flying around here so he MUST be credible.

[TwilightGardener]

70. I would think the Air Force C-17 pilot, a Colonel, isn't just "anybody".

He's not some crackpot off the street. He was chosen for this mission, to keep her safe.

[gateley]

73. I'm pretty sure he's a Republican, and the

radio announcer acknowledged that he (the pilot) had no love for Hillary, but he did take pains to be accurate and give a factual account of what transpired. He also offered some info on SOP regarding different situations, etc. I believe him. Doesn't give off that Swiftboater vibe.

[Johnny__Motown]

79. What a clearly desperate act. Lashing out against the col.. who flew Hillary into Bosnia

You Clinton supporters are getting worse


He clearly isn't doing anything but stating the facts.


There is no way they would land the plane into sniper fire with Hillary and Chelsea on board. They don't sit on flack jackets and there was no evasive maneuver (unless Hillary considers the standard "corkscrew" approach evasive).


Calling this man a liar is just wrong.




I suppose this woman is wrong too:



http://pennsylvaniaprogressive.typepad.com/my_weblog/20...

A veteran of Bosnia who was at the event in Tuzla where Hillary Clinton falsely claimed to have landed under sniper fire is accusing the Senator of theft of valor. As General Walter L. Stewart Jr. of the Pennsylvania National Guard said earlier today on a conference call, soldiers who actually have been in war zones and performed under fire deeply despise those who falsely claim such valor. They feel this way because it attempts to cheapen or make less, their real and actual valor.

The General pointed out "this wasn't an emergency resupply mission to the Alamo. If there had been any danger that mission wouldn't have landed."

Common sense tells us the First Lady and Chelsea would never have been put in harms way by our military. Hillary's tale of bravery and valor, because it was false, is finding resentment among those who actually did serve and Tammi K. (nee Jann) Hertherington who was at Tuzla when Senator Clinton landed is one. Here is her story.

Dear Sir,


I feel compelled to write to you in regards to Senator Clinton’s remarks regarding her visit to Bosnia.


I was present at the base in question when the First Lady visited and am intimately familiar with the situation on the ground at the time. It strikes me as beyond misstatement or clarity of memory for Senator Clinton to suggest that this visit in any way compares with the reality of those of us serving in theater experienced or presented a threat to her or her daughter.


As a service person in the US Army, I was deployed to Bosnia immediately after the Peace Accord was signed and served there for eleven months in 1996. I was there at Tuzla Air base when the First Lady visited, and there was no sniper fire or anyone running under cover. I saw both the First Lady and her daughter in our headquarters building (we called it the 'White House'). When I saw them in the lobby of our Headquarters neither her or her daughter had on the "Flak" vests which even we were required to wear at all times when not inside a building.


It was my fortune to be working in the Headquarter building as a Communications Specialist, and while I did go out to the ZOS (Zone of Separation) once and lived under "Full battle rattle" rules, I would never in any way compare my experience with those who daily risked their lives. That was the M.P.'s who went on daily missions trying to round up weapons and militant individuals who opposed the Peace Accord and the contract workers who aided the Multi-National forces in trying to rebuild the infrastructure (bridges, communication, water) that had been blown up. If, as I believe, it is improper for me to compare my involvement with those who took the bulk of the real risks it is even more improper for any visiting dignitary to compare their own for any reason, let alone for personal gain.


I am quite angry that what I and my fellow soldiers worked to achieve should be used as a playing card to build up a political nominee and tear down another. This is not what those of us who actually risked our lives were working for, we were trying to maintain a Peace Keeping mission in a country that had been ravaged by ethnic cleansing. To trivialize the atrocities suffered by the real people I met in that country for political gain is beyond my ability to comprehend. I met mothers who had lost their children and children who had lost their parents. The sheer leap of credibility that the First Lady would have brought her daughter into an active war zone is an insult to the people there who suffered more than real risk, they suffered real loss.


I did have contact with some of the general population on a daily basis. Many came to work for the Military in custodial capacities. Many carried all that they possessed in plastic bags every day. They brought their own food and cooked daily on little burner plates. I was constantly amazed at how upbeat and optimistic some of the people were in spite of things. It still is hard for me to think of Srebenica and all of the women who lost husbands, sons, and fathers because of religion and nationalistic fervor.


My father still works as a Civil Servant at WOMAK on Ft. Bragg, NC and a couple of years ago he met a Bosnian woman and her daughter, who had lived through the worst of it. They got to talking and found out that I had been over there and told him to tell me 'thank you' for what we had done. It still humbles me and chokes me up a little to know that even after all of these years there is appreciation for our past efforts.


I was simply a soldier doing my job in Bosnia and I believe in what we accomplished there. I do not either want to make of my service more than it was nor to denigrate those who served with me and those who lived through more than any of us. It seems to me that if I simply stand by while others “spin” their involvement for their own personal or political ambitions that I would be contributing to the slander of my fellows in arms and the people we were working to help in Bosnia, so I offer you my personal experience of the reality of the situation.


To verify my story I have included a copy of an commendation I received for service in the Bosnian theater during that period. It would be my honor to provide you more of my perspective if it would serve to deliver the truth to the American people.


Best Regards,



Tammi K Hetherington (nee Jann)

(formerly)

SPC

141 Signal Battalion, 22nd Signal Brigade, 1st Armored Division, US Army

Task Force Eagle

[Forkboy]

80. But...but...he LANDED IN A WAR ZONE!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[Cha]

61. Beautiful, ain't it?

hilary hoisted on her own Petard.

[Catherina]

51. Haha! He never told people to sit on the bullet proof vests! APOCALYPSE NOW

Suggests Hillary's version came from the movie Apocalypse Now :rofl:

[DefenseLawyer]

58. She played Fleeetwood Mac over a loudspeaker on the way in

Scares the hell out of the Serbians and her boys love it!

[Barack_America]

54. Emina Bicakcic

That's the name of the little girl. Remember it because I'm sure we'll be hearing from her soon too.

Ironically, she's now about the same age as the girl from the 3am ad. Perhaps they'll strike up a friendship! lol.

[AirmensMom]

56. Wow.

Good find. :thumbsup:

[futureliveshere]

65. no bumblebee...priceless

:rofl:

[beachmom]

69. You can tell a few things about this pilot:

1. He leans right, but he's not terribly vocal about it (like most military people I know, especially officers)
2. He was not going to say anything, figuring maybe she had gone on another trip
3. He sounds credible, not talking in incendiary language

This is pretty bad for Hillary. One could almost feel sorry for her on this .... except that she had to open her big mouth about Wright to that Scaife rag paper in Pittsburgh. That makes this all smack of Karma coming back to bite her.

[Johnny__Motown]

75. This guy should be on SNL... a skit where he is flying the plane and Hillary is freaking out about

snipers



Even a viral video would be funny

[Catherina]

72. Lawd have mercy! Howd did she fit so many lies in such a little story?

Great find RamboLiberal.

A guy who was in the military called into a radio station MAD last night because he was saying that her story implied that the military wasn't doing their job in protecting her("the 1st lady") before she flew in and once she flew in, to the point where she had to dodge gun fire. HE WAS LIVID!!!! He said he is offended and a lot of the guys he served with and know that were there in Bosnia during that time were offended. I don't blame them one bit.

[Khaotic]

76. Hell Yeah They're Livid!!!

Check out this article:

INSULTED MILITARY BLASTS HER SERIAL 'SNIPER' LIES
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03262008/news/nationalnews/now_bunko_hill_is_under_fire_103582.htm

I know it's the Murdoch NY Post, but the quotes are there.

Vets are pissed about this.

I'm sure if there were bees involved Hillary would have had them in her story as well.

[charlie]

74. The telling point

Would they release the First Lady of the United States from their charge if there was sniper fire on the ground?

Too bad Hillary, you could've defused this one before it got out of hand. Too late now.

[BumRushDaShow]

77. K&R

The real story keeps coming out more and more and more! :rofl:

[grantcart]

81. It really shows an ignorance of the military that she thought that

everything wouldn't have been nailed down tight

[grantcart]

82. kick

[4themind]

83. hilLIARy ? -nt

[silverweb]

84. K&R

The truth has a way of coming out eventually. Fortunately for us, it's happening in time to make a difference.

Personally, I'm sick to death of being lied to by people I should be able to rely on for truth. Hillary would just be a continuation of closed government by decree, masked with more prevarication and obfuscation. Enough!

Go home, Hillary.

You have destroyed whatever credibility you might have once had.
You have seriously damaged the respect I used to have for you.
You have downgraded my opinion of you from "would enthusiastically support as nominee" to "would have to force myself to vote for" truly as the lesser of two evils.

Go home, Hillary, and work in the Senate to restore what trust and good reputation you can.

[Life Long Dem]

85. Damn. They wouldn't have even let her out of the plane if a bumblebee was flying around!

:rofl: