Garlic noses? WTH? Is Jeremiah nuts?

[RememberWellstone]

Are there any races besides his, that he accepts?

<snip>Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor emeritus of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been a member for two decades, slurred Italians in a piece published in the most recent issue of Trumpet Newsmagazine.

"(Jesus') enemies had their opinion about Him," Wright wrote in a eulogy of the late scholar Asa Hilliard in the November/December 2007 issue. "The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."

Wright continued, "From the circumstances surrounding Jesus' birth (in a barn in a township that was under the Apartheid Roman government that said his daddy had to be in), up to and including the circumstances surrounding Jesus' death on a cross, a Roman cross, public lynching Italian style. ...
<snip>

[scheming daemons]

1. That's the final straw.... I'm definitely not voting for Wright now....

:eyes:

[DJ13]

6. Me either!

In fact, I may have to vote Obama just to get even with Wright in the GE.

:spray:

[RememberWellstone]

8. 20 years of this shit?

And Obama approves of his "Pastor"? I use that term loosely too. What hate-filled racist, Obama was influenced by.

[scheming daemons]

11. Obama has already publicly disagreed with Wright's viewpoints.... and...

...he has never, in his history, uttered anything remotely similar to Wright's hate speech.



I know this is a hard concept for you to understand, but:


Obama IS NOT Wright

Wright IS NOT Obama




Judge Obama on *HIS* views and *HIS* statements. If Obama made the statements that Wright did, I would not be supporting him.

[RememberWellstone]

30. 20 years of mentorship

And yes, they are tied together. Obama cannot erase 20 years of hate-filled sermons from his memory or his beliefs.

He chose this Pastor for a reason.

[Window]

38. ..

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[scheming daemons]

44. You are lying... er... "mis-stating"...

A) There hasn't been a single sermon of Wright's from before September of 2001 that has been shown to be "hate-filled". So it is, as far as you know, *7* years of hate-speech... not 20.

B) Hearing a hate-filled sermon does NOT mean agreeing with it. Do you agree with EVERYTHING you hear, even from friends and family and, yes, pastors?

C) He chose his pastor in 1988. Please show a "hate-filled" sermon from back then. For all you know, Obama was a member of a church for more than a decade before Wright uttered anything resembling the sermons we have seen.



I have friends and mentors too... Doesn't mean I agree with them.


Unless you can find *SOME* instance where Obama has agreed with *ANYTHING* hate-filled that Wright said, you simply cannot make the assumption that Obama believes the same things that Wright does.


If he believes those things... then SURELY you can find at least ONE instance in the past 20 years where Obama has publicly indicated as much.


You can't.


People are complex and unique. They don't believe 100% what ANYBODY else believes, even their closest friends and families.


Obama was asked if he agreed with Wright's viewpoints. He said no. Prove otherwise, or STFU.

[RememberWellstone]

49. No, I won't stfu

If there is nothing there, you Oompas would'nt be losing your minds over this. It's the truth, live with it. Obama was influenced so much by this man, he wrote a book based on his "sermons", that is the truth.

He was mentored by a hate-filled racist for 20 years. If there was nothing wrong with the Pastor he would'nt have thrown him under the bus.

[scheming daemons]

66. Lying again...

"he wrote a book based on his "sermons""


He wrote a book based in part on *ONE* of his sermons... and one that has not a controversial viewpoint in it at all. The "Audacity of Hope" sermon... which anyone can find on google now... has not one SHRED of "hate speech" and has words that 99% of decent people would agree with.


"If there is nothing there, you Oompas would'nt be losing your minds over this."

Swift-boating doesn't have to be true to be effective. Less than 5 minutes of Wright's sermons over 30 years and literally THOUSANDS of hours has been broadcast. You are basing your entire view of the man on less than 1% of what he has said in his sermons.

And even if the other 99% of his sermons were consistent with the 1%.... that fact would have NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on whether Obama shared those views.


"If there was nothing wrong with the Pastor he would'nt have thrown him under the bus."

He specifically DIDN'T throw him "under the bus." He specifically said that he CANNOT disown the entire man, just because he has said some bad things.



You can lie all you want.... and it may work, since people tend to believe lies.... but you are being just like your candidate... you are making shit up.

[NOLALady]

69. Minorities form their opinions about race

by their life experiences.

Sometimes it begins in Kindergarten. Minds are made up by the time one reaches adulthood.

[Zueda]

59. So, should we expect Hillary to molest interns?

[scheming daemons]

68. Apparently so... she has spent 30+ years with that man, so she MUST believe as he does.....

Right?


Since Obama spent 20 years in that church without leaving, it means he agrees with Wright.


Therefore.... Hillary Clinton must think it is ok to have sex with interns and to lie under oath.



See how easy it is to play that game, Clintonistas?

[cliffordu]

79. Excellent reply!!

I'll use that on my sister the next time she starts with the Wright crapola.

:patriot:

[LisaM]

54. So why didn't he switch churches?

There are other churches of that faith. I didn't like the archbishop at my church, so I chose another one. It was not a hard decision to make.

[scheming daemons]

61. Perhaps because.....

A) He's been a member for two decades, and has established relationships with the his fellow parishoners. A church, especially one with 8000 members, is *MUCH* more than a pastor.

B) Trinity is the only large UCC church in the Chicago area.

C) As recently as a few years ago it became clear that Wright was near retirement and there would be a new pastor.

D) The portrayals of Wright that you have seen... the 30 second clips from 5 or 6 sermons over 30 years... represent only 1-2% of what Wright has said and the other 98% is banal and not controversial. Leaving the church because you disagree with 1 out of every 50 or 100 sermons would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, don't you think?


After all... there *IS* a reason that the Clinton white house invited Jeremiah Wright to a prayer breakfast in 1998. You've only seen a grand total of maybe 5 minutes of sermons from Wright out of THOUSANDS of hours... from the 5 minutes, you are surmising that *ALL* of Wright's sermons are the same.

That may simply not be true.

[emilyg]

63. I didn't agree with my priest

and switched churches pronto.

[scheming daemons]

70. That's your choice.... you apparently wanted a priest that you agree with 100%.....

...good luck with that.



But if you DIDN'T switch churches... it does NOT mean that you agree with your priest.

[cliffordu]

36. What's that smell??

Is it another duMP'r creepin' and a freepin' 'round here, looking for some of that DLC goodness??

I got some for ya right here:



:hurts:

have a nice day!!

:hi:

[RememberWellstone]

40. Truth hurts

Live with it..name calling only hurts your cause.

[cliffordu]

60. So you ARE in the duMP group?

Your take on the whole Wright thing is tired and specious at best.

There are a couple hundred scripted murders in television shows every week in this country.

Millions have watched these programs on television for 20 years and it hasn't turned them into murderers, has it?

One nice thing about being an adult is we can discriminate as to what we accept as fact.

In the case of all this "Wright stuff", I'm thinking it's intellectually lazy. Like mainstream television.

[leftynyc]

43. Pretty nervy of you

Calling someone who monetarily contributes to this community (unlike you) and has been here a long time (unlike you) a freeper.

[cliffordu]

45. Hmm, so this is only for the rich, eh?

[leftynyc]

56. Rich???? Don't make me laugh

I'm taking you to task for insulting someone who not only contributes to the site (so that people who aren't so well off don't have to) and has been here a lot longer than you. I'm going after your manners, not your wallet.

[cliffordu]

65. And yet you reached around and tapped my wallet in your post....

:shrug:

I didn't know a contribution gives people a pass on intellectual responsibility.....

Tell you what: I'll donate as soon as my next disability check arrives.

[leftynyc]

73. Intellectual responsibility?!!!

After you accuse someone on a progressive board of being a freeper. And not some newbie who is obviously looking for a flame war. Just someone who disagrees with you. A longstanding member of this community. Who do you think you're fooling. You can do whatever the fuck you want with your disability check. I recommend some lessons in manners.

[cliffordu]

77. Nope.....

Re-read the post. I said "creepin' and freepin'...." - as a verb. If the poster used the same slurs and intellectual dishonesty as the freepers do, well, shucks, I'm just pointing out actions, not name calling.


Lessons in manners??

I recommend some lessons in intellectual integrity

[leftynyc]

81. How positively Clintonian of you

Nice parsing there. And what verb is freepin a derivitive of?

[cliffordu]

82. Clintonian?????? Now, now now....

No need to get nasty about it........


:rofl:

[elmerdem]

83. go to a white baptist

church in alabama. you may find a racist.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. whazza madda for him!!!

[olkaz]

2. You know, you can dig through all the Reverend stuff you want.

The cycle is over. Time to find a new aspect to target.

[Tellurian]

31. Wright's influence over Obama is not over by a long shot!!

and is a major stumbling block for Obama. Obama disrespects the Constitution's view and Right of every citizen to the of "Separation of Church and State". Probably why he doesn't use the customary hand over heart during the anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance because Obama doesn't believe in the Separation. Pretty simple, Obama is against The Declaration of Independence and our sacred American Values.

[ellacott]

72. Amazing

[sabra]

3. this looks familiar...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1991717/posts

[Swamp Rat]

12. Good catch.

[RememberWellstone]

14. Attacking my source?

Which did not happen to be the sewage hole of freepr land. Screw you, this is news, quit calling your own party members enemies.:mad:

BTW, what the pharq were you doing over there? Visiting family?:eyes:

[myrna minx]

21. You did not site a source. n/t

[niyad]

27. the op said, "the latest issue of trumpet magazine" sounds like a source to me

by the way, the word is CITE, not site

[sabra]

32. the OP is actually quoting CNSNews - which is on par with NewsMax

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200803/POL20080326a.html

[myrna minx]

41. The OP has *snips* from an article that refers to Trumpet magazine.

Where's the link to the article the OP references? If this were any other forum, not including a link wouldn't fly.

Thanks for the spell check.

[sabra]

22. google is my friend...

[RememberWellstone]

28. I got it from a blog tracker

And now I see the Freepers have it. Too bad, the guy is a kook.

[babylonsister]

15. You found the source! Well isn't THAT interesting.

:eyes: Methinks the OP is on the wrong board.

[Swamp Rat]

25. And he removed the source: CNSNews.com

3, 2, 1.... Remember Wellstone.

[olkaz]

20. Wow, yeah, I'm gonna pull the ignore lever on the OP for that.

Progressives don't use con sites to attack our candidates. Period.

[RememberWellstone]

46. bye

think what you will and enjoy the Obama juice.:eyes:

[redqueen]

29. I think the logic goes like this...

those kinds of organizations trashed Hillary and Bill for years... so it's fair now for her supporters to use those same kinds of organizations against her democratic opponent now.

[RememberWellstone]

52. Could it be news?

Just a hunch here on my part, maybe this si just the beginning of the discovery of your wnderful saviour's past? Maybe we might find something Obama said on a wednsday night service? Love to hear that soundbite.

[redqueen]

57. What Obama's pastor said is not news. Hillary refusing to disclose the reason her net worth exploded

now that is news.

Especially when she dodges questions about their exploding net worth by accusing the candidate who HAS released his tax returns of not having done enough.

[Window]

42. We all know where they go for Senator Obama material. Sad, sad, sad.

[FredScuttle]

4. That's bad, but if he starts remembering landing in Bosnia under heavy sniper fire

the shit will really hit the fan.

[iconocrastic]

5. He's on a roll, now that Obama refused to rebuke him. Feeling his oats, expect more ....

[niyad]

7. that is a slur I had never heard before. jw must be annoyed to not

be the focus of attention this week.

[ellacott]

18. This week?

That quote wasn't taken from this week.

[2rth2pwr]

10. He is just honoring the Italian culture.

[RememberWellstone]

33. Oompa juice!!

Powerful stuff.

[Lucinda]

13. Do you have a link?

Thanks!

[RememberWellstone]

26. Sure

http://tailrank.com/river&page=2

[Hell Hath No Fury]

16. He was talking about the contemporary Romans...

-- so what he says is historically true. The whole "garlic nose" thing is over the top, but his description of the relationship is accurate. :shrug:

[myrna minx]

17. Don't get him started on the Philippians.

:sarcasm: :eyes: This is just silly.

[NYCGirl]

19. LINK or SLINK. NT

[gabeana]

23. If you are going to use this

How about Hillary's spiritual advisor the Rev. Graham. I posted this earlier

"But wait a sec. Putting aside the matter of whether what Wright said was even "hateful," this same Hillary Clinton chose the rabidly anti-semitic Rev. Billy Graham for spiritual mentor in her time of troubles during wayward hubby Bill's impeachment scandal, and welcomed his offer of support for her senate and presidential bids. This, of course, is the same Billy Graham who was caught on tape telling President Nixon that he thought Jews had a "stranglehold" on the American media, and that if something weren't "done about it," the "country's going down the drain."

Two can play at tis game

[RememberWellstone]

39. 20 years of influence

does not compare to a one night sermon or a speech. Obama chose to listen to this hate for 20 years and never left, but decides to leave him now?

[gabeana]

51. Graham said this to Nixon almost 40 yrs ago

your right 20 yrs doesn't compare to 40 yrs of knowing what this man said about American Jews,
And her link fascist fellowship church seems like that is going to hit in MSM

[scheming daemons]

75. "but decides to leave him now?"

Another lie.


He hasn't left the church. The church has a NEW pastor, since Wright retired. Obama is still a member of the Trinity UCC church.


Like your candidate, I think you have lost the ability to even realize when you are lying anymore.

[CPschem]

24. An intolerant man of the cloth?

I've seen it all...

[npincus]

34. lol... I guess I'm a bagel-nose!

:rofl: Is anyone taking this shit seriously?

[MadAndy]

76. If a jew and italian marry, I guess their children are garlic bagel noses.

Hold the cream cheese.

[npincus]

84. Yum! Love those garlic bagels...

a shmear of cream cheese, a bissel lox... sheer heaven!

[islandmkl]

35. you'd be a little nuts, too...if you had:

tried to hold the floodwaters back at the dike in N.O., evacuated thousands of people after the Twin Towers strikes, put out flames at the Pentagon that same day, rebuilt thousands of homes after numerous tornadoes, singlehandedly propped up a stumbling economy, provided thousands of jobs for Americans, brought about the highest levels of global peace known since before Jesus' time...

wait.....

Hillary didn't really do all that, did she?

[Zueda]

37. Maybe he just mispoke.

He probably needs more sleep.

He says 1,000,200,543 words a day...give him a break.

[Catherina]

55. ! Rofl!

:rofl:

[JackintheGreen]

47. I think he meant Romans?

[Zueda]

48. Where you snip this from?

I can only find reference on CBN, Sean Hannity's site and FreeRepublic? :shrug:

[LaurenG]

50. He shouldn't have called the Romans "garlic noses"

I have never heard that term before btw.

[whatchamacallit]

53. Hope you don't "scanner out" when this Wright tactic doesn't pay off

Oh no, they're not blaming Obama for Wright's words! This can't be! NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[MadBadger]

58. So he criticized the Romans from 2000 years ago?

[Drachasor]

62. Breaking News! The Romans Circa ~2000 years ago were not big fans of Jesus!

Shocking for a pastor to talk of such things!

[Ian David]

64. Could he have said Garlic when he meant to say Gaelic? And where is your link?

Anyway, I'm trying to find what state Rev. Wright is running for public office, so I can vote against him.

[Emillereid]

67. Get a grip - he's talking about Romans two thousand years ago - I've heard

many a sermon demonize the Romans (Italians) for what they did to the Jews and Jesus two thousands years ago. This is old new to say the least.

[Jed Dilligan]

71. I for one am proud of my big, bulbous Italian garlic nose.

[MadAndy]

74. 2000 years is a long time to hold a grudge. Garlic noses? Garlic breath maybe.

[ClayZ]

78. Go EDIFY yourself!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO

[Coexist]

80. as a 1/2 Italian woman,

this offends me about as much as "playing nursemaid to a bunch of garlic eaters" in Its A Wonderful Life did.

Sorry.

[anonymous171]

85. If I called the Athenians "boy loving philosophers"

would I be insulting Ancient Athenians or Modern day Greeks?

[goletian]

86. TWENTY YEARS!!!! lol n/t

[DemGa]

87. Looks typical for Obama's mentor N/T