Can I ask a question?

[BenDavid]

I saw a great toon that I dare not post here, because some readers tend to pour gasoline over their heads if they see a toon they don't like, so let me ask a question. Of course, you're free to pour that gas anyway - or - you could answer the question.

When the Duke rape case come up, Obama didn't think we needed to have a "frank talk" about race.

When the Jena 6 had that little noose problem in Louisiana, Obama didn't think we needed to have a "frank talk" about race.

But when his pastor made the news, Obama thought it was high time we had a "frank talk" about race.

Can anyone explain his timing? Can anyone explain why he had to lie?

I thank you
Shalom

[Saturday]

1. You make an excellent point!! nt

[Yes We Did]

Almost as good as this point...

Can I ask a question? Why did Hillary Clinton vote for the Iraq War?
She is supposed to be a democrat.
Her hustband had the good common sense not to bomb Iraq.
She said Dubya was not to be trusted.

Why only when she was considering a run for president did she vote for the Iraq War?

[CBGLuthier]

2. Leave DU for a year. Come back. Same shit still going on.

Democrats tearing the party apart with snideness.

Cute post there. He HAD to make the speech when he DID becuase assholes were using his pastor's comments to smear him and those comments are racially charged. And if you truly do NOT understand that point then god help us all.

Now, exactly where did he lie?

[dchill]

22. "...why he had to lie?"

Trying in vain to keep up with "Sniper-Fire Clinton." :)

[anonymous171]

3. Was he being smeared by the Jena 6 incident? Or the Duke rape case?

[countingbluecars]

4. Obama did make statements

concerning those two cases.

[Tesha]

10. Oh man, there you go -- bringing facts to a perfectly good snark. Killjoy! (NT)

[reflection]

5. Probably

because your first two examples involved legal situations which needed to play out before everyone started inserting themselves in the situation. The Rev. Wright controversy was just that, a controversy, and it involved Obama himself to some degree. So I completely understand.

BTW, what exactly did O lie about?

[DefenseLawyer]

6. What did he lie about?

I bet I know your answer but I'd still like to hear it.

[BenDavid]

20. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., repeatedly said,

"I wasn't in church during the time that these statement were made. I did not hear such incendiary language myself, personally. Either in conversations with him or when I was in the pew, he always preached the social gospel. ... If I had heard them repeated, I would have quit. ... If I thought that was the repeated tenor of the church, then I wouldn’t feel comfortable there." Then in his race speech he said 'Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.'Yep, there is the lie and the whoremedia lets him slide.


On Friday, Obama, in an interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, Obama said something different. “I'll be honest with you. I wasn't in church when any of those sermons were issued.”


Sweet: Obama now says he heard Wright make controversial remarks. Told Sun-Times Friday "wasn't in church" during those sermons.

There is your answer....

[scheming daemons]

31. Oops.... lying again, Ben David

These two statements are NOT contradictory:

"I was not in church for those sermons." (Said in response to the sermons being shown on the cable networks)

"Did I hear Wright say controversial things? Yes."



You see... BOTH statements can be true. Obama was *IN* church when *SOME* controversial things were said by Wright, but not the things that we are seeing in the 5 or 6 sermon snippets on the cable networks.



See?

Not a lie.


But YOUR POST... That *IS* a lie.

[bobbert]

32. And he told the truth

The comments made by the pastor that were seen on TV were very strong and he was never present for the clips that were used.

Now, his pastor may have made some comments that made him feel uncomfortable, but not nearly as strong as the comments on the tapes that were on TV, during other sermons. The ones he heard just weren't so horrible that it deemed walking out on his church.

Where is this lie you speak of?


edit: ninja'd

[DefenseLawyer]

35. Okay. I'll type slowly so you can follow along.

Senator Obama was referring specifically to the portions of specific sermons which were played by Sean Hannity and made the rounds on Youtube. He was shown those clips and asked to comment on them. He said he hadn't been there for those sermons. Do you have evidence that he was? If so you need to call Mark Penn right away. He would be very interested in that information. Later saying he was there when the pastor made controversial statements does not contradict his statement that he was not there when certain specific statements shown in those clips were made. At best you can say he was parsing, but unless you have evidence to the contrary you can't say he was lying. Of course I'm sure a Clinton supporter wouldn't be complaining about parsing now would you? I guess that depends on what the definition of parse, or maybe is, is.

[shomino]

7. No, you may not ask a question.

If it's a ridiculous question like that.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. "God made time so everything wouldn't happen at once." Joseph Heller

[Breeze54]

9. You make false accusations and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Obama on 'Jena 6' rally: 'I stand with those who stand for justice'

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/09/obama-on-jena-6.html

As thousands of demonstrators march today in Jena, La., calling (USA TODAY's Marisol Bello writes)
for charges to be dropped or reduced against six black teens charged with beating a white classmate,
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama has issued this statement:

Obama on 'Jena 6' rally: 'I stand with those who stand for justice'

Today I stand with those who stand for justice in Jena. The thousands of Americans from every race and region who have descended on this small Louisiana town carry forth the legacy of all those who sat at lunch counters and took freedom rides to strike a blow against injustice wherever it may exist.

When a noose hangs from a schoolyard tree in the 21st century and young men are treated in a way that is not equal nor just, it is not just an offense to the people of Jena or to the African-American community, it is an offense to the ideals we hold as Americans. I renew my call for the district attorney to drop the excessive charges filed in this case, and I will continue my decades-long fight against injustice and division as president.

His words come a day after the dust-up over a comment attributed to the Rev. Jesse Jackson, that Obama was "acting like he's white" in his response to the news from Jena. Jackson's aides later said his words were taken out of context. Jackson himself said his support for Obama, who he has endorsed, is firm.

Posted by Mark Memmott at 01:49 PM/ET, September 20, 2007 in Democrats, Issues, Presidential race, 2008

[scheming daemons]

14. Oops! The OP has been pwned.

[dbonds]

19. You can't use reality, it has such an Obama-bias.

The OP is very uninformed.

[Lucky 13]

27. THANK YOU.

I'm tired of this bullshit. People make claims about him with NOTHING to back it up.

CALL THEM ON IT EACH AND EVERY TIME.

[Forkboy]

11. Oh, I would LOVE to see any toon you liked.

[Jed Dilligan]

12. Sorry, but my brain is looping

on the logic of "Can I ask a question?"

[Breeze54]

13. Obama: Investigate Duke Lacrosse DA Nifong

Obama: Investigate Duke Lacrosse DA Nifong

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/LegalCenter/story?id=2980582&page=1

Presidential Hopeful Says an 'Independent Inquiry Is Needed' into Durham, N.C.,

District Attorney Mike Nifong's Conduct

By LARA SETRAKIAN
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
March 25, 2007

Another voice has joined the call for a federal investigation into the handling of the Duke Lacrosse case -- this one with the punch of presidential politics.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in a written response to a constituent, said that an "independent inquiry is needed" into the conduct of Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong.

Nifong prosecuted and led the investigation into the alleged sexual assault of an exotic dancer at a lacrosse team party in March 2006.

Obama cited the fact that Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., has already asked Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for a federal investigation into Nifong's conduct. ABC News has learned that similar requests have been made by Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., and Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Fla.

According to Obama's letter, Jones asked Gonzales to "review new evidence that Mr. Nifong withheld exculpatory DNA results from the defendants in order to determine if his conduct has illegally denied the students their civil rights as U.S. citizens under federal law."

Obama said of the call for a federal investigation that he "will be following its progress closely."

More....

[Lucky 13]

28. AGAIN... THANK YOU

Keep calling these people on their bullshit.

[Breeze54]

40. You're quite welcome.

The OP is obviously being unfair.

[ronnykmarshall]

15. Stop being such an ALTER COCKER!

That's just FERCOCKT !

[JuniperLea]

16. I guess it's only important when he's running for office...

And people are paying attention. Sad when you think about it.

[redqueen]

25. See posts 9 and 13.

*sigh*

[JuniperLea]

30. Too bad these things get buried...

I've never read his comments on either until just now. Thanks.

[Lucky 13]

29. Please get the facts before you say something stupid.

[JuniperLea]

33. Please STFU instead of looking stupid yourself...

I had never seen either of these articles until redqueen so graciously pointed them out to me... check the time stamps on the posts... then blow it out of your ass.

[Lucky 13]

36. So do you retract your previous insult of Obama?

[JuniperLea]

38. Can you read?

I'm not going to lick your fucking boots. Get a fucking life.

[Johnny__Motown]

17. He was forced to comment on race at that point. It isn't like he planned on it

[Hepburn]

18. Just a SMALL clue, OK?

Hillary and the Hillbots were not lying and smearing Obama about the Jena 6 or the Duke rape case...however, Wright is a different matter about which they got personal, racist and ugly. See the difference?

Duh.....:eyes:

Please take off your Hillary blinders and start looking at reality, OK?

[BeyondGeography]

21. Sorry his "frank talk" worked out as well as it did

and PastorGate failed to save your candidate.

[cliffordu]

23. Because he was waiting for you to ask this question.

Mr "I have something so inflammatory I dare not post it here."

Truth or just inflammatory???

Gas on a fire, indeed.

Just like you're whole post.

:hurts:

[Swamp Rat]

24. This OP is illogical

Shalom

[XemaSab]

26. Why didn't Hillary give a "frank talk" on race in response to any of these incidents?

Or is the onus for a race talk only on Obama because he's black? :shrug:

[JuniperLea]

34. She did... Google is your friend...

I admit I didn't bother to Google for Obama's comments, but after reading the entire thread, one would think you would have before saying this.

[question everything]

37. Not fair, and you know that I am not an Obama supporter

The pastor is his pastor. He invited (and disinvited) him for his announcement of his candidacy (and why, or why, does one need an invocation during such an event?)

He married him, baptized his daughter, part of the family.

And since the race is a common thread in this pastor's sermons, and questions were asked, he felt that he needed to reply.

He was not personally involved in the Duke or Jena stories.

[crankychatter]

39. you're so slimey you fairly ooze, with this lurid tone

go someplace you belong