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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:03 PM
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TYT: The Latest Clinton Canard
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 03:36 PM by ihavenobias
(As usual, I'm only posting an excerpt. Click the link below for the full article *before* you weigh in, and keep in mind this article is easier to read at Huffington Post and it includes hyperlinks that add to it)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-latest-clinton-canard_b_93508.html

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The Latest Clinton Canard
By Cenk Uygur

The latest talking point for Hillary Clinton is this race is still early in the process and primaries from previous years were decided much later in the year. She recently told Time, as well almost every other interviewer she's talked to, "I remind a lot of people that my husband didn't formally wrap up the nomination until June."

The point is supposed to be that this race isn't over. They're just getting started. Give her more time. Here's the problem, that isn't really true.

In 1992, the year Bill Clinton won the nomination she's alluding to, the primaries started significantly later than they did in 2008. Iowa was on January 3rd this year and on February 10th in 1992 (remember, this year we'd already had Super Tuesday by Feb. 5th). New Hampshire was on January 8th in 2008 and February 18th in 1992. Super Tuesday was on Feb. 5th this year and was on March 10th in 1992 (we'd already had the so-called second Super Tuesday in Ohio and Texas by this date in 2008).

Secondly, despite the later start Bill Clinton had already locked up the nomination by early April after the New York primary. Hillary Clinton knows this and that's why she inserts a lawyerly word into her statement every time - formally. "My husband didn't formally wrap up the nomination until June."

So, why does she employ this needless piece of sophistry? Because she thinks she needs it. She needs to buy more time (can't you just see Scotty yelling down to Captain Kirk, "I need more time!").

The extra time isn't for more elections, there are only ten left. We've already had more than the lion's share of contests. It is abundantly clear that she can't catch him just based on the remaining elections. No, time buys her something else - the chance for Obama to implode between now and whenever he formally wraps up the nomination.

If it was only a matter of Obama's candidacy self-destructing, that would be one thing. She could sit back and see if anything changes through the next set of elections. You can argue that she's earned that. But it's another thing if she is actively trying to push Obama off the cliff with the extra time she's buying, even though she knows there is a great likelihood that he will be the Democratic nominee.

If you don't care about the Democratic Party or who their nominee is or how they do in the general election, then you have all the right in the world to keep pounding away at your opponent. Who cares how badly you damage him if you're only interested in yourself? Who knows, it might even help your political career later.

But there is one group of people who do care - Democratic voters. They are beginning to understand that this race is over and the cheap shots at this point aren't helping anyone but John McCain.

The problem isn't hitting Obama; the problem is hitting Obama after the bell. This contest is effectively over and Clinton is using her heaviest guns now. Perhaps she should have rolled them out earlier, but unleashing her most ferocious lines of attack after the writing is already on the wall seems like poor sportsmanship, to say the least...(for the rest including hyperlinks, click the link at the top of the page)
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:05 PM
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1. Hillary will still be kicking and screaming on Inauguration Day
She's not going through all this humiliation to just go away.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:05 PM
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2. Sorry contest is not over, better read the latest polls
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:06 PM
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3. Polls aint math
When you figure that out you'll know your candidate is history.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:07 PM
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4. What is your realistic scenario for Hillary winning the nomination?
I'll give you mine for Obama:

Obama wins the pledged delegates
Obama wins the recorded vote
Obama wins the most primaries
Obama wins the most caucuses

30% of the remaining super delegates follow current S.D. polling and decide to respect the will of the voters. Q.E.D.


Your turn.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:07 PM
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5. Uh, are the latest polls going to change the insurmountable pledged delegate lead Obama has?
Or the fact that Obama is way ahead in the popular vote (in the context of how few states remain)?

Exactly.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:14 PM
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8. Haven't you heard?
"Pledged" doesn't mean pledged.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:58 PM
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16. pledged delegates are fanatics for their candidate. no superdelegate
is going to lose their career for that woman. take that to the bank. self interest will prevent that.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:44 PM
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22. There's a much better way to state that:
"It depends on what the meaning of 'pledged' is." }(
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:50 PM
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24. Ah, yes.
;)
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:21 AM
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26. That's a good way to put it n/t
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:08 PM
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6. well, actually, you need to read ALL the polls, not just the ones you like
There's all the evidence you need right there.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:10 PM
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7. polls aren't based on the current delegate math needed to win nomination
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:14 PM
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9. This is typical of mentally ill Clinton haters like the Huffster - She strains so hard to try to...
find something against the Clintons... She's soooo obsessed with them, that she has to look at every word and phrase and try to EEK out a negative.

By doing this, she makes the whole liar meme meaningless and strained. Look another lie, well, it's not exactly a lie. It's just, um, sophistry, yeah, that's the ticket.

In the long run, this kind of crap could help Hillary just as the Bill had the highest approval ratings during impeachment.

There's a point where the attacks become boring and,well, simply incorrect. In fact, if she was one step to the right, she would soon be making up lies about Hillary. Just as people made up things about Gore. This one IS a little like the Invented the Internet thing. Gore never said he "invented" the internet.

So Huffington is looking more and more like Drudge and Rush in her blind hatred and pickiness.



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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:23 PM
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10. Can you please be specific? You're post is SO vague, to the point of being absurd.
Seriously, be specific. Give some facts, some examples, some evidence, something, ANYTHING to back up your opinion.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:25 PM
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14. Ignored's hatred of facts is quite unbecoming
:kick:
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:26 PM
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11. what does that have to do with cenks essay.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:07 PM
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17. what an absurd post.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:47 PM
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23. Well, the run is no longer "long." And...
... pointing out "the delegate math" to Hillary Clinton isn't the same as going negative.

Finally, there's evidence today that despite all that you mentioned, Hillary Clinton's negative ratings grew by a whopping eight points in two weeks... the two weeks most political analysts already dubbed as "bad for Obama."

The Ferraro Effect and The Kitchen Sink... that's what's backfiring on Clinton. Not some thread on Huffington Post.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:10 PM
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25. The article is by Cenk Uygur, not "the huffster"...
and your post is reminiscent of other Hillary folk, who believe every single person on the left who criticizes anything about Clinton is obsessed, or lying. But remember that Huffington Post has many writers who are pro-Clinton, who write positive things about her every day. Get your facts straight, if that is important to you. It seems that the "blind hatred" is in you.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:25 AM
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27. When all else fails, go ad-hominem! Except, the object of your rant didnt write this... OOPS!
Guess you are going to have to rant against Cent Ugyar now...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:05 PM
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12. hilary is actively trying to push Obama off a cliff after
the bell rang, alright. hilary's problem is she's pushing herself off first with her lies to the American public over the years that are only now being exposed.

Who was it that first broke the Bosnia canard? Was that Sinbad?! I need to send him a fan letter:)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:23 PM
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13. I Agree with You Completely.
:)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:38 PM
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15. ..
:bounce: :kick: :party: :patriot: :hi:
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:02 PM
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18. Fan letter to Sinbad?
I don't know, that might be going too far. ;)
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:41 PM
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21. As I have always said, there is only one fair thing to do here.
Annex more states between now and June. }(
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:29 PM
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19. Bump!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:30 PM
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20. So Hillary is 2008's answer to Jerry Brown.
How lovely for her.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:49 AM
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28. kick
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:14 PM
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29. Bump!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:14 PM
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30. kick!
:kick:
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