Barack Obama in 2008 is Bill Clinton in 1992.... without Bimbo eruptions....

[scheming daemons]

Clinton in 1992: Ran on a message of "hope" during a time of economic uncertainty.
Obama in 2008: Running on a message of "hope" during a time of economic uncertainty.

Clinton in 1992: Faced whispering campaigns that he was anti-American, based on the theme that he visited Russia during college and dodged the draft
Obama in 2008: Facing whispering campaigns that he is anti-American, based on the theme that he spent some of his youth abroad and has a pastor who has said some anti-American things

Clinton in 1992: Was thought to be a sure loser in the general election, because the right-wing would never let up on talking about his Gennifer Flowers affair and the shady Whitewater real-estate deal
Obama in 2008: Is thought to be a sure loser in the general election, because the right-wing will never let up on talking about his pastor and the shady Rezko real-estate deal

Clinton in 1992: Was considered too inexperienced to take on a long-time Washington insider who was a decorated veteran
Obama in 2008: Is considered too inexperienced to take on a long-time Washington insider who is a decorated veteran

Clinton in 1992: Was generating rock-star buzz and energized the youth vote by doing things like going on MTV to talk about "boxers or briefs" and Arsenio Hall to play the saxophone.
Obama in 2008: Is generating rock-star buzz and energizing the youth vote by doing things like holding large rallies in the tens of thousands and utilizing the Internet like no candidate before him.

Clinton in 1992: Had an outspoken wife that drove the right-wing nuts... many of them even thought she was a closet-communist who hated America
Obama in 2008: Has an outspoken wife that drives the right-wing nuts.... many of them even thinking she is a closet-black-separatist who hates America

Clinton in 1992: Was considered to be the candidate-of-choice by the overwhelming majority of members of the media by those that opposed him.
Obama in 2008: Is considered to be the candidate-of-choice by the overwhelming majority of members of the media by those that oppose him.

Clinton in 1992: Because of a long run of GOP rule in the White House that used despicable campaign tactics (Willie Horton) to get into office, many assumed he would have no chance in the fall... and polls in the spring showed him way behind the GOP candidate.
Obama in 2008: Because of a long run of GOP rule in the White House that used despicable campaign tactics (Swift boating) to get into office, many assume he has no chance in the fall... and polls in this spring show him behind the GOP candidate.

Clinton in 1992: His candidacy scared the hell out of the GOP, because he was running a different campaign than Democrats had run in the past. The old tactics that worked in the past for the GOP no longer worked.
Obama in 2008: His candidacy scares the hell out of the GOP, because he is running a different campaign than Democrats have run in the past. The old tactics that worked in the past for the GOP are no longer working.



Another thread asked if Bill Clinton is jealous of Obama.... I think it is deeper than that.... Bill Clinton, if he is ever honest with himself, sees the Obama campaign as his OWN from 16 years ago.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are having a hard time figuring out how to run against their own brilliant 1992 campaign.


The GOP will have an equally tough time figuring it out as well.

[lumberjack_jeff]

1. Except for the whole "inhaling" thing. n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

4. So true - at least Obama is honest enough to admit he "inhaled..."

...unlike the Big Dog, who said he didn't (which EVERYONE knows is utter bullshit).

[Lucky 13]

7. I never got that. How do you "not inhale" while SMOKING?

doesn't "smoking" require "inhaling"?

Did he mean he smoked it like a cigar, pulling smoke into your mouth and throat... not getting into your lungs?

How does that make a difference? Tissues in your mouth, throat, etc absorb THC too.

Does he mean he baked "special brownies"?

It just never made sense to me...

[MADem]

13. Like the way you smoke a pipe or a cigar. I'm guessing brownies, because he didn't smoke.

He probably passed it 'pon the left 'and side, as people did, in companionable fashion, back in the dark ages. There was a whole culture to it, which has evolved somewhat with the entree of bongs and more modern devices.

[DevonRex]

41. Hey don't laugh...

I did that a couple of times myself. Scared to inhale, scared to not look cool. Boy, was I dumb back then. :)

[MADem]

8. No, he didn't--he didn't smoke. He ate the brownies, I'll bet And Obama snorted, too.

There's plenty for everyone, here, if you want to play it that way.

[Lucky 13]

16. Dude... I think we're all in agreement here...

It's a non-issue. It shouldn't have been an issue for Bill and it's not an issue for Barack.

The "didn't inhale" line just still makes people chuckle. or, like me, confused.

[Cooley Hurd]

20. Um, what's the difference between eating and smoking?

Obviously there IS a difference (from one who knows :smoke:) BUT he gave a distinct impression that he DIDN'T ingest it. Why didn't he just say "I didn't inhale, but I ATE it" if that were the case?

As far as Obama and cocaine, he admitted it WITHOUT any murky qualifiers. I like MY POTUS's HONEST.

[MADem]

23. What's your point? I don't think anyone in their right fucking mind doesn't think

that his comment that he "didn't like it" was plainly a result of INGESTING it in some fashion. How stupid do you have do be?

And since he was not a smoker, but at the time, was known as a prodigious eater (donuts and Big Macs and fries, especially) the logical assumption is brownies.

What he clearly was doing was not "encouraging" drug use--the question was asked at one of those MTV type events. He was trying to affect a 'responsible' demeanor.

Why do you give a shit? He managed to get elected twice with that on his record. And pssst--He's not running this time, either.

Are we going to dig up every time Michelle Obama passed the duchy with her pals in college, too? Do we want to go there?

I personally don't give a shit about youthful drug use. I just think that people who, on the one hand, want to pretend that Senator Clinton was in suspended animation for eight years while in the White House, and on the other, want to 'indict' her with the drug use of her husband BEFORE she even married him, are a bunch of shrieking, honking bullshitting hypocrites. To put it plainly.

[Cooley Hurd]

28. But he was specific about marijuana and about NOT inhaling...

...and did NOT say a thing about eating it. His reference was about college - in which we have no idea whether he smoked anything, or not. This was in '92, BEFORE Phil Hartman spoofed him at a McDonalds (which is when the meme about his appetite became part of the dialog).

As far as Michelle Obama, who cares?:shrug:

I DON'T give a shit about ANYONE'S past drug use. I was responding to Post #1, which referenced the whole "I didn't inhale" crap. I haven't forgotten Mark Penn's (Senator Clinton's DELEGATED surrogate) appearance on hardball in which he KEPT referencing Senator Obama's admitted past drug use - the Clinton campaign pushed the meme, and I will comment on it when neccessary...

[MADem]

37. He was specific about saying he didn't like it, too.

How can you decide that if you haven't tried it?

The point was clear. It's only the obtuse who didn't "get" it. He simply wasn't trying to glorify the behavior.

Phil Hartmann GOT his little spoof from NEWS reports. Clinton was FAMOUS for chowing down in NH, in fact, he was often late because he'd stop for a little snack here and there--SNL didn't "invent" that "meme"--what they did was amplify those reports for comedic effect.

[Tellurian]

22. Obama holds the record for plagiarizing speeches and people's characteristics..

[Cooley Hurd]

24. ...and Senator Clinton holds the record for plagiarizing EXPERIENCES:

[Tellurian]

26. yeah, in your world a drop of water constitutes an ocean..

Go row your boat!

[Cooley Hurd]

29. No, NOT a drop of water...

...more than one instance (like NAFTA). Which troubles me because, IF, by a miracle, she actually wins the nomination, I will STILL vote for her, despite the Republican campaign ad loop of her talking about snipers followed by the docile scene at the Tezla airport.

She has MADE herself unelectable because of her "embellishments." And we need to WIN in November!

[Tellurian]

40. Obama has made HIMSELF unelectable because he approves of racists statements..

and Damning America..

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. The Big Dog came back from defeat to re-election as gov of Ark

Your candidate lacks similar disappointments and accomplishments.

[Eric J in MN]

6. Obama lost a Democratic primary for a US Congressional seat,

...but went on to be a US Senate nominee and a US Senator.

Bill Clinton also ran unsuccessfully for the US House. So did John Kerry and George W. Bush. None of them ever served in the US House, though all had tried.

[Fredda Weinberg]

19. Not even close to losing an incumbent seat and regaining it. n/t

[scheming daemons]

10. Oops.... you're wrong again, as usual....

Obama lost in his first run for federal office in the Democratic primary for a congressional seat.

[Fredda Weinberg]

17. Nope ... not even close. Just shows you're clutching at a thin straw n/t

[Eric J in MN]

3. Also both ran at age 46. NT

NT

[FlyingSquirrel]

5. You better knock on wood now

It's only a matter of time before we see some kind of slimy extramarital affair rumor (with absolutely no basis in fact) posted on Drudge and blown up by Fox.

P.S. I bet you get about 100 recs

[Yes We Did]

9. Now I Get It! That's why Hillary is running such a negative campaign!

The see's Obama and thinks Bill!

Wow, that makes so much sense.

[high density]

11. Now all we need is Ross Perot

And we'll win! ;)

[Cheap_Trick]

12. How are they running against their own brilliant 1992 campaign?

Simple. They're running like rethugs.

[RememberWellstone]

14. Then go with the original!

Let Obama support Clinton! Problem solved! There is nothing hard to "figuring" out Obama, one just needs to be blind, deaf and dumb.

[scheming daemons]

15. The original isn't running.... he's not eligible.

[Cha]

18. It turns out with bil clinton it's not just "the bimbo eruptions"

It's all about hil and bil and there was that report that bil stabs his friends in the back. So, it's going to be radically different with Obama.

[terrell9584]

21. Not At All

There are a few things from the 1992 campaign that shoot holes in this argument.

The biggest one being the execution that Arkansas conducted that year. Clinton left the campaign trail to go oversee said execution and he took some political mileage out of it

Clinton also made it a point to attack a rapper who had made comments that had been construed as anti-white.

During the L.A. Riots, he chided the Bush administration, but he then proceeded to criticize the rioters for "going against law & order"

Clinton ran a DLC campaign in 1992 and a campaign deliberately designed to contrast him from everything that had been unpopular about Dukakis, especially the part where he goes back to Arkansas to oversee the execution.

Clinton's campaign was appealing to a different side of the party than Obama's is, that was his intent anyway. I'd wager that most of Brown's 92 supporters are on the Obama train right now

[DemzRock]

25. Yes, there are some parallels...

And there are some things that are different. It truly bothers me that Obama is so inexperienced. Bill had a LOT of experience. A governor. He won. He lost... He won again. Hillary was there for him and learned a lot from that. And she's put in more time as a Senator.


Remember, we are hiring for President here. It's a pretty important job. We've seen how inexperience can be a major disaster.

[scheming daemons]

27. The last 8 years are not a disaster because of inexperience......

they are a disaster because of ideology.


Who is more experienced than Dick Cheney? Donald Rumsfeld?


Bush surrounded himself with LOADS of experience.


Experience wasn't the problem. Ideology and philosophy were the problems.

[11 Bravo]

30. Then how can you endorse him?

Have you read the shit that has been posted about the Big Dog in this forum by your fellow Obama supporters?

[scheming daemons]

31. The Big Dog isn't running... his wife is.....

[11 Bravo]

32. Bill Clinton has been called everything in the book by your compatriots ...

yet now you compare your chosen candidate to him. If you don't see the inconsistency, I can't help you.

[scheming daemons]

35. You'll have to ask my compatriots.....

I'm against Hillary, not Bill....


AND.... Bill in 2008 is *NOT* the same man as Bill in 1992.

[depakid]

33. Except for the obvious fact that Obama lacks Clinton's experience and has never run anything

which will probably be the biggest issue in the fall campaign, should he get the nomination.

[Qutzupalotl]

34. Does anyone here remember the 1992 Clinton nomination acceptance speech

where he chastised Bush Sr. for mocking "the vision thing"?

How times have changed.

[Qutzupalotl]

38. Here's the quote:

Of all the things that George Bush has ever said that I disagree with, perhaps the thing that bothers me most is how he derides and degrades the American tradition of seeing and seeking a better future. He mocks it as the “vision thing.” But just remember what the Scripture says: “Where there is no vision, the people perish.”

To me, the essence of leadership is the ability to conceive a better reality, to convey this vision to others and to motivate them to work towards that goal. To now run AGAINST the candidate of hope strikes me as very strange indeed.

[zalinda]

36. Then Obama will lose unless Ross Perot steps in. n/t

[knixphan]

39. Bill in 2008 is *NOT* the same man as Bill in 1992.

Exactly.

Bill 92 = 'A liberal pres, yay!'

Bill 08 = 'Waitaminit...he was a conservative, wasn't he?...'

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Don't forgetClinton in 1992: Ran on a message of "hope" during a time of economic uncertainty. Obam...

Clinton in 1992: Was 46 years old.
Obama in 2008: Is 46 years old.

Yet the Clintons continue all this rhetoric about Obama being "too young and inexperienced", insisting that he "wait". :eyes:

What a bunch of self-absorbed hypocrites.

[susankh4]

43. There will be bimbo eruptions...

Matter of time.