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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:48 PM
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Michigan's January 15 Primary declared unconstitutional
This lawsuit was brought by the Green and Libertarian Parties, and others, over access to voting rolls, not about the broken DNC rules, but if I'm getting it right, it effectively finishes any claim Clinton may think she has to the 1/15 primary results.

A federal judge in Detroit has ruled that Michigan's 2007 law setting up a Jan. 15 presidential primary is unconstitutional because it unfairly prevents minor parties from having access to lists of voters after the fact.

-snip

Judge Nancy Edmonds's ruling DOES NOT order a new primary. She writes that the "the court agrees the issue of severability is beyond the scope of the claims." In other words: the parties themselves ought to figure out whether they need new primaries or not.

-snip

I see this is as a small political victory for Clinton and a larger one for Obama; the ruling today means nothing more than a chance for her to make the case again for a re-vote, as campaign manager Maggie Williams does in an e-mail to reporters:

"In the wake of today's court ruling regarding Michigan’s January 15th primary, we urge Senator Obama to join our call for a party-run primary and demonstrate his commitment to counting Michigan's votes."

An Obama aide said the ruling speaks for itself. They avoided the worst: where the Clinton campaign had hoped that the judge would order a revote as the remedy, she simply ordered the state party to share its lists. Since the legislature is no longer in session, the notion of a re-vote is moot at this point, anyway.


http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/michigan_primary_law_what_the.php


Here is a Pdf of the ruling:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/greenparty_v_land.pdf



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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:52 PM
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1. K&R this important development......n/t
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:53 PM
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2. The ruling has no impact on the actual results of the primary
And changes nothing in regards to the Clinton position.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:02 PM
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9. Clinton doesn't understand what "unconstitutional" means?
Troubling....
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:08 PM
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21. mind read much? n/t
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:03 PM
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10. I don't think that is realistic
It was already an illegitimate primary, because it took place outside party rules. Now it is an unconstitutional primary. Do you actually think it changes nothing?
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:04 PM
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12. she will try to seat delegates from an unconstitutional primary that also broke party rules?
wow, she IS nuts
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:09 PM
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22. Project much? n/t
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:13 PM
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25. If Do-Over held, they can't exclude anyone who voted in GOP primary
This was in the comments section of a blog at TPM cafe about this ruling:


If, against the odds, there is an do-over vote in Michigan, the Democrats will not be able to exclude anyone who voted in the GOP primary in January. They had planned to do so.

This is for 2 reasons. First, a person can't be excluded from something because of something that is Constitutionally void. Second, and more practically, if the party are running the primary, they won't even have the January voter lists, so they won't have the knowledge to know whom to exclude.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:55 PM
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3. Imagine the dinos and repuke powergrabbers jumping
ahead with their primaries and landing in Constitutional HOT Water!
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:58 PM
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4. I'm sure ...
The Clinton camp will continue to say, "Seat 'Em!"

Delusional and pathetic.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:00 PM
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5. She said re-vote
That was the best position. But it wasn't in Obama's self interest.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:03 PM
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11. This one's for you Tom
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 04:03 PM by Indenturedebtor


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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:10 PM
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16. LOL Thanks, n/t
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:06 PM
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13. I think they should be seated
The party should award the delegates, 50-50 to each candidate, in both Michigan and Florida, and be done with it.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:11 PM
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17. I might have simply supported that for Michigan before
since not all the candidates were on the ballot there. But after both the DNC and Clinton agreed to a revote plan for Michigan but Obama did not, I no longer do.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:00 PM
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6. There's no consititutional case and Clinton knows it. Rec'd
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:09 PM
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23. mind read much? n/t
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:00 PM
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7. why cant the party organize a damn revote already?
how hard can it be?
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:08 PM
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15. Primaries cost $$$$$
And Michigan doesn't have much. And the DNC needs money for the GE. This is a screw-up that can't be un-did.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:15 PM
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19. A pledge for private funding of a primary was made n/t
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:15 PM
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27. now that would reek - an election paid for by one candidates wealthy supporters
it brings a cloud of suspicion with it.
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:43 PM
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20. All the money the candidates have rasied...
and they cant get enough to have a revote? Everyone whos responsible for this mess should have to pitch in...hell have fundraisers if they have to. But democrats have to start cleaning up the mess.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:10 PM
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24. It's not the DNC's screw-up!
Why should they have to pay for it? If anyone pays for it, it SHOULD be the states.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:14 PM
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26. keep changing the rules?Clinton advisor Ickes voted for the sanctions.
thats what some in Michigan want.

Keep holding new elections over and over till you get the result you want.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:01 PM
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8. The ruling relates to the distribution of voter lists
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 04:09 PM by powergirl
That part of the primary was unconstitutional. In fact, the ruling makes it EVEN MORE UNLIKELY there will be revotes:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080326/METRO/803260443/1361


"The only immediate practical effect of the ruling was to bar the Secretary of State's office from sending the list to the parties on Wednesday, the deadline for turning it over under state law.

"Edmunds, the American Civil Liberties Union lawyers who won the case and the state's top election manager all agreed that the ruling had no practical impact on the 2008 presidential campaign. "Nothing I'm going to say or do" affects the results of the Jan. 15 vote, Edmunds said. "That's the political reality."

"But the ruling likely further damages the already small hope that the Democratic Party would honor the Jan. 15 results. It is unlikely that national Democratic officials would relent in their opposition to seating delegates based on a disputed vote that has now been declared flawed under the constitution."
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:07 PM
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14. Caucus....Caucus.... Caucus... it is to late for a primary.. let's have a .. Caucus
Woot


I would love to Caucus for Obama, I told my boss months ago that I was gonna take a day off if we held a do over caucus.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:14 PM
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18. I'm bookmarking this for further use. Great Job!!!
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