Bill at it again: "Apparently it's ok to say bad things about a GIRL,"...

[jenmito]

he said laughing, in an apparent reference to his 60-year-old wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, per ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf.

"The only thing that matters is, what happens to you?" said Mr. Clinton. "That's all that matters. If a politician doesn't wanna get beat up, he shouldn't run for office. If a football player doesn't want to get tackled or want the risk of an a occasional clip he shouldn't put the pads on." (Via HuffPo)

http://www.salon.com/5things/2008/03/26/bill_clinton_saddle_

SO many things are WRONG with this whole comment! He called Hillary "a girl," implied Obama said he doesn't want/can't handle any bad things said about him, and that nobody should resign for saying something negative about someone from the other camp (how 'bout Samantha Power among others?)


And more here: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/26/bill-clinton-lets-just-saddle-up-and-have-an-argument/

(Thanks to tammywammy)!

[tekisui]

1. Is he suggesting that it is acceptable to say bad things about a "guy"

but not a "girl". This reeks of sexism.

[jenmito]

7. Of course!

What do you expect from Bill?

[krawhitham]

13. Bill is doing what Bill has to do

to make Hillary happy, he has a lot to make up for. And this is ruining his legacy


As a wise man said:
"It is the fucking you get, for the fucking you got"

[jenmito]

22. Somehow, though,

it seems like he's trying to make her lose. I don't know how else to explain how tone-deaf he's become!

[hedgehog]

2. Unbelievable! On edit: what are "the bad things" someone said about

his girl? That maybe her story of sniper fire in Bosnia was exaggerated? I haven't heard Obama say much of anything about Hillary. It's all Obama's supporters and even uninterested bystanders!

[jenmito]

9. The "bad things" are the facts...

on issues. But to the Clintons that's "smearing her character."

[Raine]

27. Touble is that the Clintons

just can't handle the truth.

[jenmito]

29. Sad but true.

How sad that BOTH of their legacies are going to have big negatives where there didn't have to be.

[City Lights]

3. The Clinton camp plays the gender card again.

:eyes: They've got nothing left but the nasties. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Lower the curtain on both of 'em. :puke:

[TTUBatfan2008]

6. I partially agree with him...

I would like to see them simply have an argument on the issues. Perhaps he can convince Wolfson, Penn, and the other negative turds in her campaign to stop talking about crap other than the issues. Likewise, I'd like to see the same from Obama's side. I don't care about tax returns or any of this other garbage that really doesn't mean much. Stick to the issues. Neither side is doing that much at all right now unfortunately.

[Shae]

8. well the tax returns might mean something

We don't know because we can't see them.

[City Lights]

31. "Perhaps he" who, Bill? Surely you mean "she," right? I mean it is

her campaign. If there's a problem with the job her boys are doing, it should be her responsibility to deal with it. She's the boss of her campaign is she not?

You may not care about tax returns, but I, along with many others, do. I'm for transparency in government, not more Bush-like secrecy.

[stillcool]

37. Odd isn't it? George McGovern...

followed by Bill?

Did Hillary "Play The Gender Card"?
By Greg Sargent - November 2, 2007, 3:51PM

So what really happened here, anyway?
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/11/did_hillary_play_the_gender_card.php
After the debate, Hillary's campaign sent out an email describing her as "one tough woman" and deriding the nature of the "piling on" that had ensued. And the next day, AFSCME president Gerald McEntee endorsed Hillary with remarks that almost certainly had plenty of input from the Hillary campaign: "Six guys against Hillary. I’d call that a fair fight. This is one strong woman.:
So just after the debate the campaign didn't argue that she was being attacked because she's a woman. But the campaign clearly did try to strongly emphasize the gender picture here.
--------------------

Hillary pollster Mark Penn subsequently said in a conference call that the image of six men beating up on Hillary would play well with female voters. And anonymous Clinton advisers told the Associated Press that "there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of
gathering against her." Though one should approach anonymous stuff with caution, this doesn't seem especially difficult to believe.
---------------------------------------------------------
Bottom line: As best as we can determine, Hillary never explicitly made the accusation that the men were piling up on her because she's a woman. But you'd have to be very credulous indeed not to believe that the campaign is explicitly trying to emphasize, for various political reasons, the fact that she's a woman getting hammered by a bunch of men. I don't know if that constitutes "playing the gender card" or not -- the exact meaning of the term is unclear, at least to me -- but that's obviously what's going on.

Sunday, November 4, 2007
CLINTON PLANNED TO USE GENDER CARD ALL ALONG

RON FOURNIER, AP - Clinton's advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss internal matters, said there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her. The idea is to change the subject while making Clinton a sympathetic figure, especially among female voters who often feel outnumbered and bullied on the job. As one adviser put it, Clinton is not the first presidential candidate to play the "woe-is-me card" but she's the first major female presidential candidate to do it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_po/on_deadline_c...

[City Lights]

40. They want to have it both ways.

It really makes me sick.

If she wants to play in the big leagues she needs to put on her big-girl panties. Not too long ago she called this the "fun part," so I don't get the whining coming from Camp Clinton. It's really a turn off.

[Cha]

4. bil clinton is so full of shit at this point in time..

he's out there spreadin' the shit on thick tonight.

[jenmito]

11. At this point of time...

and before. (I like your cartoon.) :hi:

[Tresalisa]

28. I am sure Hillary's campaign staff wish Bill would

not be so 'helpful' at times! It's not that I don't think he's an asset to her campaign, but sometimes he says things that aren't exactly good for her.

[LaurenG]

5. Ahh Bill Clinton acting like Bill Clinton

I didn't think that was such a bad thing to say really.

Obama just received an open invitation to humiliate him if he wants, but I doubt he'll take him up on it.

[jenmito]

12. If someone ELSE called Hillary a "girl," the charges of sexism would be all over the place...

but they're hypocrites in so many ways.

And of course Obama will take the high road.

[LaurenG]

17. LOL - you know that's right

the outrage would be unbearable.

[jenmito]

20. Yup...

their hypocrisy knows no bounds. :toast:

[anonymous171]

10. Wait, so he can't fight back but

Hillary can hit him as hard as she wants b/c he should be able to take a punch?

[jenmito]

14. Sound logic, isn't it?!

Or not.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

15. A link to these comments , please.

Personally, I have a hard time believing that Bill would refer to Hillary as a "girl". If he did, he really, really needs to put out to pasture and fast by Hillary's campaign.

[tammywammy]

18. Here's one

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/26/bill-clinton-lets-just-saddle-up-and-have-an-argument/

There's plenty to choose from
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bill+clinton%2C+Apparently+it%27s+ok+to+say+bad+things+about+a+GIRL.&btnG=Google+Search

[jenmito]

24. Thanks, tammywammy! I had to leave parts out.

There was too much to type. :hi:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

33. Is there still time to edit and get that link in your OP?

Your post was great but the link really nails it.

[jenmito]

35. I'll try. Thanks! OK-I edited it.

:hi:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

25. OMG! I literally can't believe it.-

I read that first link. How sad and pathetic. Exactly as represented.

Clinton added that the recent rough tone of the campaign didn’t trouble him. "I don't give a riff about all this name-calling that's going on. They've been going on ever since Iowa. I've heard them say all these things about her,” he said. “Apparently it's okay to say bad things about a girl."

They live on another planet. Hillary doesn't get a pass for being a "girl". Unreal. I'm in a state of suspended disbelief. I'll come to in a few moments.

[TheDonkey]

16. I feel very bad for him. He looked awful up there, the audience was in disbelief

there were a few spattered chuckles but it seemed extremely uncomfortable. I do not know what state he was in but wow, not a good sign.

[jenmito]

32. He was in West Virginia. And yes, he ALWAYS looks awful when he talks ugly like that.

How did he fall so far? His negatives now are higher than his positives-like his wife's.

[Zodiak]

47. Agreed

He really did seem like he was trying to egg agreement, and got nothing at all.

Chilling.

[burythehatchet]

49. "tepid", comes to mind. It was embarassing, and yet I was glad to see him

being publicly rejected (or at least not embraced)

[UALRBSofL]

19. I think BigDog was making a case that the race will continue

And I don't think he cares how people interpret him in the big picture. People will say and do and make up anything that they believe. That said, I have no issues with Bill Clinton personally.

[babylonsister]

43. That's what's troubling; he doesn't care about his own legacy in

the big picture? He'll do anything, even risk his reputation, to see his wife win? That's pretty scary imo.

[Speck Tater]

21. So now it's OK for us to call Hillary "GIRL". Bill has set the precedent. NT

[babylonsister]

42. She did say, "I'm your gal." Maybe he thinks it's okay to say that. nt

[JerseygirlCT]

23. Where are the cries of sexism against Clinton?

I know I'd want to sock him if he called me a "girl".

[4themind]

26. What if he called you a jersey girl?

I kid, I kid :evilgrin:

[JerseygirlCT]

36. That's ok. Whole different vibe, don't you think?

;-)

[TTUBatfan2008]

30. RE: Tax returns...

I think the main reason the Clintons are hesitant to release their financial information is that they have so much support among middle class, blue collar voters. They have recently become wealthy, like the Obamas except to an even larger degree. Both of them had record book deals and Bill has been getting paid very nicely for doing speeches as a former President. If their tax returns reveal that they're raking in multi-millions every year, I think it is kind of embarrassing to them with their core demographic.

[jenmito]

38. Well, the Obamas made over $1 million while the Clintons are now worth over

something like $50 million (IIRC) and you're right-that COULD embarrass them. Or even worse-maybe we'll see donations by Middle Eastern big wigs and other questionable things.

[City Lights]

41. Do you really know how Bill and Hill made their fortune?

Cause I don't. I know how they made some of it - through speeches and book deals, but I'd be shocked if they amassed their fortune by selling "words," in the written or spoken form.

Do you know how the Clinton library was funded? How about the Clinton Foundation?

[KaptBunnyPants]

48. I doubt it.

It's a known fact that they have 10s of millions of dollars. It's gotta be something bigger than that to drag their feet this long about it.

[dancingme]

34. Will that "Girl" bring back the tears again?

My God, the Clintons are pathetic. And I used to admire them.

[jenmito]

39. I'd bet on it!

She (and he) will do anything to try to win.

[rainbow4321]

44. Gee, HRC had no problem with being scrutinized in Iowa:

And now it's a problem???


http://www.observer.com/2007/hillary-pumped-tries-new-look-iowa


“I’ve been to cattle barns before and sales before, in Arkansas, but I’ve never felt like I was the one that was being bid on.”


“I know you’re going to inspect me. You can look inside my mouth if you want. I hope by the end of my time with you I can make the case for my candidacy and to ask you to consider caucusing for me.”

[Alexander]

45. So Bill Clinton, a serial adulterer, is all of a sudden an expert on sexism?

I guess he would know from experience.

[Asgaya Dihi]

46. That's a sick, dangerous couple

When Bill was in the Whitehouse the dems bled, we lost power, we lost representation in Congress and the Senate, we abandoned principles we had held for ages such as the unions and the poor (welfare "reform"?), and in general Bill got stronger, the repubs got stronger, and the rest of us bled.

The repubs came out of the Clinton Presidency with more influence and a more intact legislative agenda than they had when Bill TOOK office, and the dems were running scared, ready to go along with anything the repubs wanted because they had been convinced that's the path to 'victory' in some twisted way.

She shows every indication of thinking Bill was too nice about it. At least he screwed us with a smile. Scorched earth all the way and damn the damage to the rest of the party or our chances of winning the election if we dare to put forward any candidate but her.

When people say the Clintons are the Democratic party they aren't too far from right, but not in the way they mean it. They and their type were just all that was left when the damage they inflicted on the party as a whole was done.