If Hillary actually loses PA, will she then drop out?

[dansolo]

With Hillary driving up her negatives, there is a slight possibility that Obama could actually win PA outright. I'm not suggesting that he will, only posing a hypothetical. So if he manages to pull off a victory in PA, do you think that Hillary will then drop out of the race at that point? I'm not asking if she should, only if you think she would.

[anonymous171]

1. Hell yeah! She set the media narrative of "Goal Posts".

She will have to eat all her words about "the importance of PA."

[mcctatas]

6. psst...

her goal posts have moved more times than a fat mans bowels on an all olestra diet (http://www.vanderbilt.edu/ans/psychology/health_psychology/olestra_katie.html#The%20Side%20Effects%20of%20Olestra)

:crazy:

[VolcanoJen]

42. Oh, thank you so much for that visual!!!

:puke:

LOL, mcctatas! Hell, I'll bet if she loses PA, her rallying cry will become "MEET ME IN PUERTO RICO!!!"

[earthlover]

11. The goal posts would be moved to Puerto Rico....

[marshall]

20. It's all about the convention now

Popular vote doesn't count. Pledged delegates aren't really pledged. Superdelegates minds can be swayed. It ain't over til the fat lady sings, and that ain't happenin' until the convention.

[mcctatas]

2. NO...

that would be too reasonable and selfless...

[JimGinPA]

3. No, 'Cause She's A Fighter - And Gorgeous

:banghead:

[burythehatchet]

47. you think so?

She used to be kinda cute/nerdy cute, with her unibrow and big teeth. But then she had her face done and her chicklets sanded down and now, with her new personality she is one ugly to the bone human being.

[papau]

4. I would expect her wothdrawel from the fight for the nomination if she lost PA

[DrFunkenstein]

5. If She Doesn't Break 60% in Pennsylvania, She Needs to Come Home

She cannot win more states, more pledged delegates or more of the popular vote. Without breaking 60%, she won't even be able to reach something resembling parity.

[democrattotheend]

7. If he wins by 1 vote it's over. But it is really unlikely.

Let's not get our hopes up. Work hard but don't set yourself up for disappointment.

[Oleladylib]

8. we'll never know the answer to that question...thankfully.

[muntrv]

9. Of course not. Every time Obama wins, she changes the firewall state.

[ORDem]

10. Hoping the SDs decide it for her before PA, this has gone on too long.

But, no, she will not drop out, ever. She's clearly going to have to be forced out.

:dem:

[leeman67]

12. she won't lose PA, but IF she did she would STILL

stay in the race, however, I do believe at that point the majority of Superdelegates along with Edwards, Gore, et al will fall in line behind Obama to end it once and for all. At some point, the party has to step in and protect itself from Clinton's ego.

[undeterred]

13. No, she'll hire someone to smack Obama with a bat

and break his back. Then he'll be off his feet for 4 years so he will have to drop out and she'll get the nomination. She'll tell us how sorry she is and how much she respects him and pretend to be very gracious.

[mcctatas]

14. now you did it...

that side by side of tony harding and hillary on MSNBC will suddenly be Obama's fault;)

[AllentownJake]

19. It wasn't his fault already

I thought you knew Obama dictates every crazy comparison the MSM media makes of HRC and HRC is a saintly woman that never ever injects talking points into the MSM.

[mcctatas]

21. I prostrate myself before the altar of saint hillary and plead

forgiveness for my evil, evil ways :evilgrin:

[AllentownJake]

23. That's better

Now we are going to chip you and release you. If you have any further nasty thoughts about the glorius leader we will know!

[madrchsod]

15. yes -----the party will cut her a deal she can`t refuse

[AZ Criminal JD]

16. Will Obama drop out when he loses yet another Democratic big state?

[mcctatas]

17. silly argument...

he's winning overall, but nice try...

[AZ Criminal JD]

30. It may seem silly to you but if a candidate is unpopular in Democratic states

He or she will have a tough time getting the electoral votes for a November victory. But many on DU like to whistle past the graveyard.

[Alexander]

34. Such as Maine, Vermont, Connecticut, Maryland, Delaware, Illinois, Minnesota, Washington and Hawaii?

Yeah, that Obama's really unpopular in Democratic states. :eyes:

And let's not forget:

Wisconsin
Iowa
Colorado
Missouri

Typically swing states, and of course:

Kansas
Virginia

States where Obama's polling within striking distance of McCain.

Nope, he has no chance.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

40. Minnesota's also the most consistently Democratic state.

They've been voting for Dem presidents since 1972 -- even California, New York and Massachusetts broke their streaks.

[dansolo]

35. You mean in states with a heavy Democratic establishment

Clinton is entrenched in the heavily Democratic states. She has had the past 16 years to establish strong ties in all of the Democratic strongholds. She came into this race with huge advantages, especially in the blue states. She should be posting large double digit victories in all of these states. The fact that she hasn't, shows just how weak she is.

[ingac70]

41. He has won more Democratic states than Hillary...

so what the hell are you talking about?

[mcctatas]

46. So you're saying that these people in "Democratic states"

will vote for McCain if Hillary doesn't win? I reject your argument and suggest that it is a desperation ploy from a drowning campaign!

[AllentownJake]

25. I can't believe he's going to Idaho or investing in Illinois

Strategery....

[krawhitham]

27. If he loses the pledged delegate lead he will drop out

[AllentownJake]

18. Only if

Her campaign donations dry up. As long as it is mathmatically possible for her to win and by that I mean by getting super delegates to overturn the pledge delegate leader she will fight on.

[elfin]

22. Never - she is going to the convention

in AUGUST (what genius set that date?) to bloody the waters to the point of no return so as to fight once again in 2012 after Geezer Mcpain wins.

Once I was ambivalent about her --- now I hate her -- but will vote for her without giving money or other support -- McPain is still worse.

BUT she will LOSE - whenever she runs. Too bad, because she would be a very competent President - as long as she has a two house majority to work with.

[AllentownJake]

24. After seeing the way

She ran her campaign...I'm not sure about the competent part I haven't really seen any leadership over her people and the constant media leaks about the infighting..you'd think she would put a stop to that...I mean she'd seem like a Genius to Shrub but I doubt she'd get a lot done even with a majority in both houses...More like Carter on steriods.

I'd vote for her over McCain too though.

[TTUBatfan2008]

26. No.

She's taking it all the way to the convention, which is why there should be a superdelegate vote and get this all over with regardless of who wins.

[Honeycombe8]

28. Stop setting up Obama supporters for disappointment if he loses PA by only 5%.

Face it....that is Clinton territory. She will almost certainly WIN it. The best Obama can hope for, unless there's a miracle, is to keep her win down to single digits.

If you set up a high expectation, even if Obama loses by 5% (which would be a HUGE victory for him), then his supporters would nevertheless be disappointed.

But if everyone expects him to lose (and all indicators are that he will....as expected), then if a miracle SHOULD happen, how sweet that victory would be.

You won't catch the Clintons building up expectations. Heck, they even make a large loss sound like a victory!

[dansolo]

44. I'm not. I fully expect her to win PA.

I am just trying to gauge what people feel about how Clinton would act if the unthinkable were to happen. All of the speculation is predicated on Hillary winning PA. I am just trying to see the other side, as a devil's advocate.

[Indy Lurker]

29. If she hasn't let reality influence her campaign to this point...

If she hasn't let reality influence her campaign to this point...

Why would PA make any difference?

[loveangelc]

31. yes.

[Sensitivity]

32. Why SHOULD HILLARY LOOSE PA. The pop age, political establishment etc gaurantees a win

or almost.

[crankychatter]

33. more than slight, remember wisonsin's early polling?

she could totally lose PA... a whole month away... obama will drive up that number

a close call in paperless Evoting country, with a history of problems... not a probable win for obama, but entirely possible

[AllentownJake]

37. Its tougher then WI

Our great govenor here has threatened every local official reprisals if they help Obama in anyway. Fast Eddie is an old time Philly street fighter and he's flexing his muscles for HRC.

Working hard for the upset but the entire democratic machinery here is against us. Which is a shame because we are doing a lot to build the party by campaigning here. We registered alot of new voters for the democrats. Not party switches new voters.

Of course once Obama is the nominee Fast Eddie will drop everything to get hime elected. He's a good democrat that way. He's just loyal to the clintons for what they did for him when he was Mayor of Philly in the 90s.

[Cali_Democrat]

36. Of course not. She's on a Kamikaze Mission.

As long as she sinks USS Obama for the General her job is done.

[Hepburn]

38. IMO....

...that bitch will not drop out for ANY reason.

Gads, I am to the point that when I hear her voice of see a picture of her, I feel ill.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

39. No. The firewall is Guam

:rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

43. I nope not

I want her to stay in just to piss you guys off.

[Tresalisa]

45. I personally don't think she will drop out, but will go to convention.

My roomie was watching Fox News (she was, NOT me) and as I went through the livingroom I overheard part of Greta V talkling about her interview with Hillary Clinton, where Hillary told Greta she wasn't giving up and felt that she would be the nominee.

I think she and her campaign are going to use the argument of electability, and that that is the real purpose of the superdelegates.