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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:48 PM
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Obama playing the race card to perfection. (in the right forum)
You have got to hand it to Team Obama when it comes to race relations. No one running for President could possibly give a speech about race relations but Obama. And no one is playing the race card with such perfection that to question whether the card is being played or not, is in itself, playing the race card. It is perfect.

More at: http://www.bayareahouston.blogspot.com/
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Chicken George Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:51 PM
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1. Heard this today
"While most in America are worried about playing a race card, Barack Obama has shown he is still carrying around a full deck."

K&R (again)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:55 PM
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7. Good one!!!
:rofl:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:29 AM
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50. Very accurate
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:35 AM
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67. Well, after snipergate, no one will ever accuse Hillary of playing with a full deck
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:52 PM
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2. Pimping for hits on your site and dissing Obama because you've
been a Clinton fan since the get-go. Good job, John! :thumbsup:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:57 PM
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12. And DLC through and through.
:eyes:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:06 PM
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24. Thanks for reinforcing my opinion, Lisa. It's pretty evident to me. nt
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:53 PM
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3. Here is what the Big guy says about this, and I quote:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:53 PM
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4. Too bad the race card has become the #1 issue.
The BObots have secured the election for mccain and insured the final destruction of america by the rethugs.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:53 PM
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5. I thought your thread was just locked by the mods... What the hell are you doing...
back again?
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:02 PM
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18. Why should it be locked it's clean compared to smost on here
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:03 PM
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20. Because Skinner correctly stated it should be in GD-P and locked it. n/t
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:35 PM
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40. If it was only locked because it was in the wrong forum
Then he's allowed to repost it in the correct one. :shrug:
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:54 PM
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6. No one would be EXPECTED to give a speech about race relations other than Obama
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 10:58 PM by EffieBlack
It is not Obama who is playing the race card. The media has been playing this card from day one and Obama has studiously avoided responding until he could not refrain any longer.

Interesting, however, that he is the only candidate expected - in fact, demanded - not only to discuss the race issue but to come up with solutions to it. And when he does, people like you accuse him of "playing the race card," something that ONLY black people are ever accused of while white folks play all manner of race games with impunity.

I have no problem with Obama addressing the issue - which he did beautifully. But it sickens me that white candidates are never asked to speak about it.

Old bullshit race-baiting line: "Obama can't ever win because America is too racist to vote for a black president."

New bullshit race-baiting line: "Obama is winning because he's black and America is so consumed with 'white guilt' that white people are afraid to vote against a black man."

:rofl:
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:04 PM
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21. It's interesting that the Hillary supporters are the ones
constantly bringing up race and gender. From gloria steinem, geraldine ferraro, and now McGovern. Even on this board you see that dynamic.

When Obama responds, they accuse him of "playing the race card." I'd expect that from Republicans, but from Democrats, I'm shocked. Obama has never sought out to talk about race. It's not a winning discussion for him. But it's an extra factor that he's had to deal with--the Clinton campaign, the press and the Wright story forced him to--and he's done so beautifully.

This relentless focus of the Clinton campaign on race will tarnish the reputation of the democratic party in the eyes of some of the party's most loyal voters for a long time to come, imo.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:18 PM
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34. it has permanently changed my view of hillary....
I can barely believe it, and her supporters astonish me.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:22 PM
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37. It doesn't surprise me to see obvious trolls doing this,
but MonkeyFunk? I thought he was a respected member. And countless others I've seen here?

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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:34 PM
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39. a long primary changes opponents into enemies.........
when decency is abandoned.

Last fall,I was a Hillary supporter with curiosity about Obama.

But the dirty tricks began to pile up, (like her misrepresentation of his position on abortion in Iowa)
Now it is difficult for me to list all of her actions that have disturbed me... the list is too long.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:55 PM
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8. Yep!
K&R
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:55 PM
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9. No-- YOU are, by repeatedly posting this lame article
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:55 PM
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10. I saw a great toon that I dare not post here,
because some readers tend to pour gasoline over their heads if they see a toon they don't like, so let me ask a question. Of course, you're free to pour that gas anyway - or - you could answer the question.

When the Duke rape case come up, Obama didn't think we needed to have a "frank talk" about race.

When the Jena 6 had that little noose problem in Louisiana, Obama didn't think we needed to have a "frank talk" about race.

But when his pastor made the news, Obama thought it was high time we had a "frank talk" about race.

Can anyone explain his timing? Can anyone tell me why for a year or so that he lied to the media and to us that he never sat in a pew when pastor wright spoke anti american or anti white or anti Jew or anti Israel sermons, but last Tuesday obama said “Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes! Now you wanna explain why you still support this liar?

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Chicken George Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:00 PM
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16. And still yet he said "controversial"
not homophobic, racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic, anti-American etc, etc etc. Controversial his ass!!
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:04 PM
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22. he isn't the black ambassador to the world
he makes a brilliant speech about race,and your response is, why didn't he do it sooner? there is a difference between controversial and anti-anything.

Anti-jew sermons?
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:07 PM
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27. Thank you for enlightening us.
Who knew, before your brilliant insight, that all controversial statements are "anti american or anti white or anti Jew or anti Israel". Silly us, we used to think that there were other subjects that might be considered "controversial". :puke:

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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:12 PM
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31. Haven't you posted this exact same list before and had people answer you?
That or you and someone else are posting the same things.

Anyhow, Obama did speak out on those issues when they came up. As for not making himself the center of attention for those issues, I think that question largely answers itself. I don't think those incidents would have been a proper time or place, and they were also fairly cut and dry compared to the Wright issue, imho (at least on a national level).

As for your statements about Wright, you assertions are pretty much all wrong. Obama has said he knew of one really controversial statement Wright made that was among the clips. He knew of that for one year. He did not know of the others. He did say he had heard statements in church that could be called controversial (but these were different from the clips shown on t.v., and honestly any time the church discusses any controversial issue there will probably be controversial statements).

Beyond that, Wright has not given any hate speech, nor anti-white or anti-jew speech. He has spoken out against some actions of Isreal, afaik, which is not being anti-jewish. Beyond that, in ALL of the clips, what he said in them was not representative of the sermon they were in, and they definitely weren't representative of the his sermons in general. Yes, Wright tended towards hyperbole as part of his sermon rhetoric, but that is a preaching style that is far from unknown in America. If you doubt me here, then I urge you to look up more of Wright's sermons and see some of them from beginning to end. A little education can't hurt.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:15 PM
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33. Yes, he has.
Rather tiresome, really.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:16 AM
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56. This place has become an insane asylum
It's kinda tiring.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:49 PM
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41. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:46 AM
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46. Oh, the beers are cold, tall and plentiful...
...down at BenDavid's klavern...yes-indeedy.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:56 PM
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11. Let it sink again. n/t
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:58 PM
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15. .........
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Chicken George Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:00 PM
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17. ...
:kick:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:26 PM
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38. rec
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:58 PM
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13. And Hillbots with financial rewards to gain playing the "playing the race card to perfection" card.
To perfection.

Well played!
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:58 PM
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14. So true. No one else would dare say the things he gets by with.
The media would be knocking them constantly, they wouldn't have a chance.
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Chicken George Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:05 PM
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23. And Michelle right behind him
smirking about "the Black folk waking up" as if only she and the empty suit were enlightened Blacks.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:38 AM
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68. Yep, they shore is uppity, ain't they?
:eyes:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:14 PM
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78. Is this now Dixiecrat Underground
People have lost it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:47 PM
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83. To me, this is just more of the Clinton toxicity
The sooner they get the hook, the better.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:04 AM
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52. you mean things like this?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:03 PM
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19. Hmmmmmmm
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:06 PM
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25. K&R! I'll never forget the "fairy tale" thing, used to brand the Clintons as racists.
What a fucking bullshit smear.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:53 PM
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I know.
I will take that into consideration when voting in the fall.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:28 AM
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49. He is a deeply divisive figure
I would not go that far, but the detraction of Ferraro and the attacks on her on this board prove the truth of the issue.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:32 AM
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65. And the "LBJ signed it into law" smear
Duh. He DID sign the legislation. MLK couldn't. He wasn't president.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:07 PM
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26. Damn, and I thought the Hillbots were on strike for a week... Kinda quick week...n/t
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:08 PM
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28. Translation: "Oh no! Scary black man!"
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:09 PM
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29. Yes, because any discussion of race at DU means people are scared of black men.
Do you know how offensive your post is? Any idea at all?
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:20 PM
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35. do you know how offensive it is to hear the constant drumbeat of race....
from Hillary supporters.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:22 PM
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36. THAT is what is so damned annoying. nt
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:53 PM
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42. Do you know how frustrating it is to be a Hillary supporter and not even be able...
to post the word "brown" without being deemed a racist by Obama supporters? Even when the use of "brown" has nada to do with race, nada to do with Obama, nada to do with anything but the turds floating around this forum?

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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:59 AM
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47. Isn't that the truth?
Desperation since South Carolina. I am just sick of it!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:15 PM
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79. For reals
:thumbsup:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:34 AM
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66. No, but it certainly seems that Clinton supporters want OTHERS to be scared of black men
Seriously, how else does she get the nomination if not on a wave of racist backlash?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:17 PM
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80. No, but whenever Obama discusses race, he's "playing the race card"
But, whatever.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:09 PM
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30. Oh, Fock, ANOTHER one? RACE CARD???
I do get a little irritated at the creepyfreepers sneaking in to take a little duMP, when they have a perfectly good forum over at the "Capital Hillory" (sic) group.

Lemme help you with that duMP......


:hurts:

There we go, all sweet and clean.

Promote your site someplace else, 'mkay??
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:13 PM
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32. The was a highly unintelligent blog post, and I'm just being honest.
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 11:13 PM by malik flavors
Extremely cliche and unimaginative. I would have no problem giving you props if you had made some interesting observations or analyzed the race in an compelling way, but that was so half hearted. Expecially the obvious ending "now i'll be acused of playing the race card."

Seriously, you can do better than that.
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Aussie leftie Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:00 AM
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43. K&R
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:29 AM
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44. Actually, he fell into the Clinton trap
Obama gave a brilliant speech last week. The majority of what he said was true. The problem is, it was the wrong speech to give. That's the kind of speech you give when you are president, not when you're running for President.

The speech he should have given, tactically, was the 2008 version of JFK's religion speech in 1960. He should have acknowleged his race, then said the discussion of it had no place in America. That he was not running as a "black American" but rather as "an American". He should have said that Wrights comments on race were wrong, as they have no place in society, commended his charity work, and then said we should work on helping all Americans instead on focusing on the issue of race. He then should have attacked those (not by name) who have attempted to bring race into what should have been a discussion of issues.

That was his JFK oppurtunity. He blew it. Because he has allowed race to become an issue, he is going to find that the Republicans will beat him over the head with it if he is the nominee, and he'll have no recourse. John McCain is a war hero who spent 5 years in a prison camp in Vietnam, turning down a chance to go home. McCain also has a reputation as someone who is hated by extremists in his own party. We have already seen the strategy, a radical comes out and says something, McCain denounces. They will say every racist, horrible thing about Obama, they will use race to stir fear in Middle America, McCain will come out and denounce it, moderate supporters may say it is a "rightwing attempt to try and turn people against McCain so that he'll lose and one of their favorites will win in 2012" and in the end, McCain will get no negative blowback from it, while all of the people who will be motivated to vote for McCain just for that reason will still have been reached and will vote accordingly.

It's old Lee Atwater politics. It's their only way to hold onto the executive branch (and all of the jobs that go with it) and they will use it because they want to stay there for another four years.

Since 1968, we have had 28 years under Republican presidents, 12 under Democratic ones. The Republicans have more of a patronage network that needs to be satiated, people who are expecting something out of it. Obama was baited into a trap by the Clintons, out of their belief that it could help them prevail in the primaries (or make Obama look unelectable so that Denver goes their way)

If it doesn't help them, it will help McCain. Obama's strength was that he was like JFK, he was post-racial. The idea being that if he won, race was off the table, the same way religion was supposed to be when Kennedy won. That ended last week. I feel that Obama played into his opponents hands
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:15 AM
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45. Not this time! NT
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:19 AM
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48. what a dumbass post.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:17 AM
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51. rec'ing this thread because of who is pretending to be outraged over it.
I'll go read the OP now.
:hi:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:07 AM
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53. Obama not only has played the race card with perfection...he uses the whole deck
and deals off the bottom
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:39 AM
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69. After snipergate, no one will accuse your candidate of playing with a full deck
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:11 AM
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54. No worries, their VP candidate will dish it right back. And then some.
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 09:28 AM by susankh4
"You have got to hand it to Team Obama when it comes to race relations. No one running for President could possibly give a speech about race relations but Obama. And no one is playing the race card with such perfection that to question whether the card is being played or not, is in itself, playing the race card. It is perfect."

Don't they know it?

But, no worries, cuz they have the perfect response. Tho tis true that noone running for *prez.* can play the race card as well as Obama's camp has ... they will soon have a VP candidate that can dish it right back. And then some. Cuz she is black AND a woman.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/03/breaking_condi/
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:53 AM
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59. And there you go.
Everyone here should have expected this. If this is true the Repub party has a hell of a team-one that will win in November.

Play the race card? She can do it and make it all in her favor. Sexism? She's got that too.

The only thing I can think of is that Americans prefer that their politicians be married and, as far as I know she's not. That could count against her (as in-What do you have against the traditional institution of marriage? Don't you want to be a wife and mother? etc.)

I don't care for her by any means but she could fuck over all of us.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:03 AM
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60. I have been saying this for months... Condi will be VP...
She could dissipate all accusations of racism and/or sexism for the GOP.

You have a point about her not being married.... but I am still fairly convinced that she will be among McCain's top choices.

With Joe Leiberman at his side, as obvious Sec'y of State. (To secure the pro-Israel vote.)

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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:29 AM
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62. And that is an interesting choice.
Technically he's extending his hand across the lines (Dem, Independent-whatever you want to call him). Either way, it's win-win for McCain.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:15 AM
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55. Another chicken before the egg argument. Why did Obama have to give that speech?
Hint: Fox Noise lies and the willingness of Hillary's camp to play along.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:58 AM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:58 PM
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75. Racist. Yes, I said racist! n/t
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Chicken George Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:27 PM
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84. rofl
I bet yer White and I know I'm Brown.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:27 AM
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57. Shouldn't we be more concerned about repairing the damage Bush caused than by superficial
crap about race just to benefit one candidate who has nothing to contribute to the real issues?
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:21 PM
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74. Yea - What ever happened to
issues? What are they going to do about the insane cost of gas? My daycare costs have risen, food prices have risen and everything else that has a fuel surcharge on it. That's an question I want an answer too.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:30 AM
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58. "Playing the race card." This is what white people say when ...
... they have been correctly identified as making racist comments.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:31 AM
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64. It's called "playing the race card card"
The Clintons are masters of it.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:26 AM
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61. The,"I took sniper fire in Bosnia", card ...
Not a great card, as it turns out.
The "I was married to a president. THATS experience, Buster!", card is the best she's got at this point.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:30 AM
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63. Kind of funny how "hey, let's stop using race as a bludgeon" is "playing the race card" to you.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:48 AM
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70. WTF is THIS?
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 10:52 AM by sheeptramp
Here is the photo you illustrate your blog piece at
http://www.bayareahouston.blogspot.com/ , with.


What the hell does it mean?
Did you pick it at random?
What. The. Fuck.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:53 AM
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71. I've noticed no one accusing Obama of "playing the race" card ever has a concrete example of it. nt
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:11 AM
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73. What an awful post.
4 sentences, one of them 3words long. No thought, just a smear.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:09 PM
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76. John, do you hate brown people as much you hate them black people?
Or does a lighter shade earn points in your book?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:10 PM
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77. He is black. His being black (half-white, actually) DOES NOT constitute "playing the race card".
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:20 PM
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81. There's one flaw with your precept.
How will playing the race card benefit him, especially during the last leg of his campaign while ahead?
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:24 PM
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82. But y'ARE, Blanche. Y'ARE playing the race card!!
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