Bill Clinton says we have a perfect right to pound Hillary into the ground

[dkf]

If she didn't want to get pounded she shouldn't be on the football field.

Let the pounding begin.

This is the field the Clinton's want it on and I am perfectly willing to oblige.

All you Obama people that want to make peace, you don't realize what we are up against. Bill and Hillary ARE monsters and they are going to be coming after us until the convention so you better toughen up and be ready to fight back.

And believe me, there are no sacred cows for the Clintons so why should we refrain from anything either.

Your decency is no protection against these awful awful awful people.

[Alter Ego]

1. If we attack instead of defending we become that which we hate.

[dkf]

5. In the MSM's world the best line of defense is an offense.

The Clinton's understand this and they know how to manipulate the media game.

They are going on about how this race has so much longer to go...like this is day one!

Words cannot express how disgusted I am.

[olkaz]

6. Why would you always be on defense?

You're missing the point. You can still be moral and ethical and be on offense. Be on offense by donating, making calls, etc.

[dkf]

9. Obama is going to be on defense because Bill and Hillary are going to attack him.

And they are going to be doing this even after every election is over, up to the convention. Then who do you call?

And I'm not saying Obama needs to be on offense, I'm saying we need to be. We are his foot soldiers and his surrogates. Then he can keep out of it as much as he can.

[Shae]

2. Didn't he say she's the "girl"?

I thought he was advocating special treatment for her.

[dkf]

3. He said if you don't want to play football don't get on the football field.

And that if surrogates say something bad they shouldn't be asked to step down because they are just toeing the party line (yeah he means his party line-I wonder if Carville got his marching orders from the top)

He is a monster.

[Shae]

15. Before that, he said ...

"Apparently it's okay to say bad things about a girl (chuckle). It's okay. The ONLY thing that matters is what happens to YOU. That's all that matters. If a politician doesn't want to get beat up, he shouldn't run for office..."
then the football stuff. I suppose the "you" in, the above meant Obama but I'm not sure of the context

[cooolandrew]

4. Soldiers go through worse and we have to think of what they go through, never relent.FIRED UP

READY TO GO!! :bounce: It isn't how it should be but if we stand for something we stand for the true values of the party.

[u2spirit]

7. Big Dawg has become a tool

He says that it's ok to pick on a "girl" in a sarcastic tone of voice than in the next breath says it's fair game to lie, cheat, smear and pander. Jesus Bill, at least say 2 sentences together that aren't contradictory.

[BeyondGeography]

8. Like he did?

[4themind]

10. I think that the true objective

is while defending against attacks, it should be to try to win over her voters. They already know about many of the big scandals of the past I would assume and STILL want to vote for her, so what needs to be addressed and debated are the relative abilities of both candidates to address the issues that they care about in the FUTURE. That will help win over more voters, that NEEDS to be done anyway if obama is the nominee. I don't think we can assume that they'll just hop onboard, especially if some of these polls are true. Offering clearer contrasts in the way he approaches the campaign (while still defending himself, but limiting equivocations on character in people's minds) and giving emphasizing the reasons to vote FOR him. The first rule I've learned in martial arts or from (Sun Tzu's) famous book, is to avoid fighting your opponent on their terms/strengths. Don't fight fire with fire, fight fire with water. Obama did virtually nothing personally this week and she's imploding. He needs to go after McCain while also sprinkiling in why he's the better candidate to match up with him, both in character and in policy (again putting his "attacks" on hillary in contrast with McCain)

[susankh4]

11. No worries

she is already, and has already been pounded to powder.

Still, she can rise.

And will.

[marshall]

19. Rise like a phoenix from the ashes of the Democratic party

That's her plan.

[susankh4]

22. My party of 32 years...

does seem hell bent on destroying itself.

sigh:hide:

[stray cat]

12. Bill says bring it on - getting beat up is part of the game

[dailykoff]

13. They've been lying their fat asses off since 92.

We just didn't notice it as much because Bill is a much better liar. They should have quit while they were ahead instead of letting Hillary give away the secret.

[Medusa]

14. Thanks Bill!

I don't mind if I do!

P.S.--does Hill still want us to vote for McCain too? :evilgrin:

[GihrenZabi]

17. LOL!

That is the best macro I have seen in a long time. Consider it appropriated. :)

[Bolo Boffin]

16. When the going gets rough, we are what we stand for.

Yes, we can resist the bold and the underhanded by maintaining our principles.

That is what our principles are for.

[Asgaya Dihi]

18. There's always a temptation

There's always a temptation to fight fire with fire. Problem is that just makes us as bad as the other side. Doubt that? Just look at the repubs and the last few years. For all their patriotic pride and sureness that they were right they forgot something pretty important. What they were fighting for. Due to their pride we could be on the verge of losing it so we can't afford mistakes or pride here.

Go after Clinton for what she does and with fair attacks, sure. As long as she wants to play the vetting game she's as open to vetting as anyone. Just try to keep it as fair as possible and make sure those on the sidelines know the difference between the sides by how they act. The Superdelegates aren't happy with things the last couple of weeks and that's something you want to work with rather than against.

Or I could have just said it short and sweet. Never wrestle with a pig. You just get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

[dkf]

20. What happens when you are stuck in the pen with the pig and the pig keeps coming after you?

Love the image by the way...Bill Clinton as PIG. Works for me.

[Asgaya Dihi]

24. I know what you mean

I grew up in lockups, four and a half years before I'd turned 15, sometimes you have to fight. I'll tell you something else I learned there and after though. Realized that I went in a stubborn kid that would rather risk trouble than hurt others and I came out mean. My having to deal with things like that and over a long period of time changed me as well. Took me years after I got out to remember who I used to be.

Another thing I learned and this one took me quite a few more years. In all my life I can't remember ever really solving a problem by kicking the crap out of someone. Makes them leave you alone for the moment but it doesn't make them go away. Lots of things work better than bringing yourself down to their level.

Laugh at them, make them your friend, ignore them and make them irrelevant, or any number of other things. As the martial artist above noted, and he's right, you never fight anyone on their chosen ground. Not in debate, the streets, or in politics. Set the terms of the debate for yourself if you plan to convince anyone else to follow you in it. Otherwise you aren't really leading anywhere. You're just following too. If you absolutely have to kick the crap out of them one day do it fast, clean, and then be done with it and go back to just being yourself if you can. The more time you spend on their level the more like them you become.

Hope that makes some kind of sense.

edited to add missed word. Oops ;)

[dkf]

25. Your arguments sound like they are grounded in a very tough environment.

Politics might be rough, but real life can be even more brutal.

I can see where you are coming from...but I wonder what a person in that environment does if they are seen as weak or unable to fight for themselves.

I think that is the danger of not fighting back.

[Asgaya Dihi]

26. Many find ways

They make friends, they make people laugh, they find one way or another to make themselves either useful or likable enough that either you don't want to screw with them or someone else will stand up for them. It wasn't all big guys and sometimes the smaller ones were the more dangerous, one of the toughest I ever knew wasn't but 5 foot 6 or so. Sometimes they just act nuts and hope you'll assume they are one of the tough guys ;) Whatever works.

When you have to fight back there's not a thing in the world wrong with doing it, but I'll leave you with this to consider then call it a day. I've got to get some sleep. I tend to ramble on too much when I'm tired.

There are a lot of people out there who are convinced that the Clinton's are great people and they point to past accomplishments and efforts to prove the point. Maybe at some point they were at least in intent. Arkansas politics is rough, makes this election look like childs play. Bill came up in that for years then went through the investigations and impeachment, was in the middle of that environment pretty much his whole political life. I won't defend a lot of the choice he made in the Whitehouse for sure and before that to a point but what if they are right that they had good intentions at least at first? A lot of very respectable people seem to think they were, some who we normally trust on other matters.

Being in an environment like mine changed me. Maybe being in an environment like that changed them as well. The couple who criticized and hated the politics of personal destruction became so used to practicing because the other side did it that they eventually forgot the hate part. Now they just practice it. Like Bill says, if you don't like the game get off the field. They think that's the way the game is supposed to be played and forgot what was wrong with it.

We don't have to fight most of the time here, we just have to point out the lies and exaggerations and shame them if they are acting more like the other side than our own. If we're right we don't need a thing but the facts to work with and the things, facts, happen to be all over the place so it's not really a tough job. If you have to fight at some moment, fine, just know the difference between having to fight and feeling like getting even.

[UALRBSofL]

21. I don't think they are awful people

And I don't think a lot of people think they are monsters. Reason being she is only behing Obama 700,000 votes so I'd say there are a lot of people whom like Hillary and believe she can bring people together from all racial, cultural divides and she is the best candidate to lead our country. She seems to have a penchant to reach across the isle to get agendas passed and she has the passion and skills to be a great leader.

[dkf]

23. Some people think her monster like characteristics are positive.

Witness Joe Scarborough.

Anybody who says they like Hillary Clinton because she is "tough" is basically saying they like her lying low down tactics.

[Unbowed]

27. Nice of him to offer up his wife for pounding.

Fair enough, Bill. But you are fair game as well, so off your high horse when someone criticizes you.

[Perry Logan]

28. He's suggesting that the Obama people get tough and stop squealing so much.