We Have Indulged the Clintons Long Enough

[Stephanie]

It's over. Get off the stage.

[pbca]

1. Maybe Jimmy Carter can find something for them to do n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. it takes a clinton to build a village?

but who would want to live there?

[pbca]

4. Well I wouldn't let them BUILD the village

maybe they can do some painting though?

[mikelewis]

18. When Hilary was in Bosnia, she built 2 villages with some duct tape and a swiss army knife. nt

[pbca]

21. What I heard was that she was actually catching bullets in

midair, flattening them out with her bare hands and using them to make roofing shingles...that's what I heard

[Stephanie]

22. It's true!

As far as I know...

[WinkyDink]

3. Yeah, the 90's are soooo ancient history. Stop the indulgence now!

[TwilightGardener]

5. You know, they have had 8 years to shape this country. They did

some good things. She's a Senator now, she's well-respected, and she's doing some good things there. Bill does some good things in his post-Presidency. They raised a fine daughter. They still have a lot to contribute. I would like to like them again, but I can't, until they concede that they HAD 8 YEARS and it's time to let another Democrat take the reins of power. They need to let go.

[Stephanie]

6. She WAS well respected.

She's done a lot of damage to herself. She's never going to have the solid wall of Democratic machine support she's had up until now.

[Fredda Weinberg]

7. Sorry, you're going to have 2 learn 2 endure opposition - you think McCain

will just drop out?

[Stephanie]

8. This is not opposition, it is obstruction.

She has become a bad joke. The new phrase she is floating, "so-called pledged delegates," is just laughable. I'm embarrassed for her.

Last question Senator. Some people look at the current state of the delegate counts and say the only way you can win the nomination is at the convention, with a convention where delegates move around perhaps, and you'll make your case side by side. Are you comfortable if that's the way you win the nomination, going all the way to Denver and winning it there? Is that a comfortable outcome for you?

You know it's the same thing for Senator Obama. Neither of us will reach the number of delegates needed. So I think that that is, you know, the reality for both of our campaigns. And all delegates have to assess who they think will be the strongest nominee against McCain and who they believe would do the best job in bringing along the down-ballot races and who they think would be the best President. And, from my perspective, those are all very legitimate questions, and as you know so well, Mark, every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose. We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment. And, you know, I'm just going to do the best I can in the next 10 contests to make my case to the voters in those elections and then we'll see where we are.

Sounds like you'll still be in the race by the time the next few issues of TIME magazine get published.

(Laughs) Well, I think so.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1725514-2,00.html

[Fredda Weinberg]

12. I'm not. Women have to learn that others aren't qualified to set our

expections for ourselves.

[Stephanie]

13. What?

You're incoherent. What are you trying to say?

HRC has moved the goalposts so many times we're all getting dizzy. Now she would like to say that pledged delegates are not actually pledged. She's gone over the edge.

[Fredda Weinberg]

14. Nope. She's my candidate n/t

[jakem]

9. times is up, clintons!

[ensho]

10. what do you mean by "indulged"? in what way did we indulged them?

what are you saying?

[Stephanie]

11. It's like playing Scrabble with a child.

You're the adult so you indulge them when they want to change the rules so they can win, or when they play a word that doesn't exist. But eventually you have to stop indulging them, for their own good.

[ensho]

15. we haven't done that, the dems haven't done that. you are making it up

give me a specific indulgement

[Stephanie]

17. Allowing her to pretend that she can somehow "win" when it's been over for weeks now.

It's just a courtesy at this point, but it's gone on too long.

[ensho]

26. you live in some other world then I do

Hillary is not being "indulged"

however, she is being attacked by other so called dems, 24/7

[Stephanie]

39. She is being CORRECTED when she LIES

Which is fairly often.

[leftynyc]

40. Maybe if you try a little harder

you could sound even more condescending. What are you suggesting? Taking them out back and shooting them?

[Stephanie]

47. Um, what? As I clearly stated, I'm asking them to get off the stage.

For the sake of the Democratic Party.

[JackORoses]

16. they've been indulged since Wisconsin named their fate

They haven't had a chance since the Land of Cheese handed them their walking papers.

They are still around because of Money, Media, and Manipulation.
But Hillary's candidacy is little more than an annoying phantom at this point.

[GoldieAZ49]

19. I didn't know you were against democracy and allow all to cast a vote

interesting change some 'democrats' have taken

In the GE if after 3/4 of the states vote and McCain is in the lead, I guess you will be ok with the rest of the states not getting to vote, just call it for McCain.

Interesting position you have.

[Stephanie]

20. They will still get to vote.

But we will have stopped the bleeding.

[Voltaire]

25. Had she been in the lead after WI

would she be as interested in counting all the votes? I think NOT. And if you are honest with yourself you know that too.

[GoldieAZ49]

35. same thing, regardless of the candidate

It isn't over until all votes are cast.

It is neither candidates fault that they are so close but the fault of the voters that there wasn't one candidate they would all vote for.

Democracy isn't always easy but it should not be stopped.

The winner should have the lead after all votes are cast, regardless of which candidate it is. It will go a long way to start to bridge the divide in the party.

[hfojvt]

37. she didn't expect any vote to count after Super-Tuesday

and really, neither did I. I expected she would have the nomination won after that day. In 1992, for example, Bill Clinton wrapped up the nomination pretty quick and the remaining states just pretty much rubber-stamped the inevitable. Same as 1996. Same as 2000, and the same as 2004.

In fact, this year was not much different, since Dodd and Biden quit after Iowa, Richardson quit after New Hampshire, Edwards quit after Florida and Gravel and Kucinich never had a chance anyway. By the time super-Tuesday came around, there was not much "choice" left.

[End Of The Road]

23. I love 'em both and hope they stay around for a long time. nt

[grantcart]

24. indulged = double standard

[ensho]

27. show me an example please

nt

[grantcart]

31. If Hillary Clinton had

a lead

in the popular vote
in the delegates
in endorsements by senators
in endorsements by govenors
in money raised
in the number of donors
in the number of primaries won
in the number of caucuses won


and had conceded that going into the national convention would still have all of those categories intact the opposing candidate

would have been forced from the field.


Also no other candidate would be allowed to have their surrogates run free 'branding' other candidates as Judas.

Only Hillary Clinton is allowed to play into overtime when the democratic will of the pledged delegates has been well established.

[Stephanie]

33. that's the "so-called" pledged delegates, grant

the goal posts have been moved again, try to keep up

[ensho]

46. in your mind

nt

[RememberWellstone]

28. Make them

Oompas telling Clintons to get off the stage? Make them, Braveheart, go ahead.:eyes:

[Lucinda]

29. I'm sure she's just been waiting for your decision.

:rofl:

[wowimthere]

30. K&R Please, PLEASE! Retire the side!

[billyoc]

32. Amen, hit the road, chumps. The whole world is on to your DLC neoliberal bullshit.

The best they can hope for now is to be buried in secret so their graves won't be defiled.

DLC delende est.

[Rubiconski2009]

34. Find them a white house trailer in Arkansas.

[democrattotheend]

36. This thread got 17 recs?

Who the hell recommends a thread with no content?

Seriously, folks, what's the point of posting bihourly calls for Hillary to drop out? She's not going to, at least not before Pennsylvania. All you're doing is pissing her supporters off and creating ill will towards Obama. We need their support in the fall, so stop with this crap.

[Stephanie]

38. Are you the thread police?

Your concern is entirely sincere, I'm sure. As far as I know...

[TheDeathadder]

41. get off your high horse

only half of you have had enough, the other half want more Clinton. It's not Clinton get off the stage...it's get out of Clinton's way.

[burythehatchet]

42. As someone once said...

"you ain't gotta go home but you can't stay here."

[Stephanie]

48. Here's your hat, what's your hurry?

[knight_of_the_star]

43. Epic Fail

[crankychatter]

44. the truth isn't diminished by repetition

you go girl

k n r

[polichick]

45. Indulged is the right word - and when beloved children become nasty little brats...

...it's time to stop indulging. (Or when beloved relatives become nasty self-serving cranks.)