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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:31 PM
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Krazy Glue Moments - NYTimes, Bai
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/krazy-glue-moments/

"Why do some political missteps haunt their candidates forever, while others are easily put to rest? John Kerry saying he voted for the war before he voted against it, or Howard Dean screeching on a stage in Iowa, instantly becomes the stuff of political history, but when George W. Bush admits that he was once arrested for driving under the influence, it immediately fades into obscurity. Some politicians, as they used to say of Ronald Reagan, seem coated in Teflon, while others seem covered in Krazy Glue, unable to shake the stickiness of what seem like minor embarrassments.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:38 PM
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1. The point of the story is to portray Hillary's repeated lying as a "minor embarrassment"
March 27, 2008, 12:48 pm

Krazy Glue Moments

By Matt Bai

Why do some political missteps haunt their candidates forever, while others are easily put to rest? John Kerry saying he voted for the war before he voted against it, or Howard Dean screeching on a stage in Iowa, instantly becomes the stuff of political history, but when George W. Bush admits that he was once arrested for driving under the influence, it immediately fades into obscurity. Some politicians, as they used to say of Ronald Reagan, seem coated in Teflon, while others seem covered in Krazy Glue, unable to shake the stickiness of what seem like minor embarrassments.

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Then there’s Mr. Obama, who followed up his speech on race and his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, by asserting, in an interview, that his racist grandmother was a “typical white person.” Mr. Obama went on to clarify his meaning, suggesting that white Americans have been shaped by common experience with race, but the sound bite was ugly. Mr. Obama has presented himself to the electorate chiefly as a bridge between races and political cultures, a harbinger of the end of identity politics, but his struggle to explain the racial attitudes of his own family and friends has to complicate that message. In the wake of his Philadelphia speech, Mr. Obama seemed to right himself among Democrats in national tracking polls, but the controversy could continue to resonate with white, independent voters, revealing its effects in the months ahead.

Finally, we have the story of Hillary Clinton and her bullet-dodging landing in Bosnia in 1996, which turns out to have been, in fact, a perilous descent into untruth. Mrs. Clinton has used the words “strength” and “experience” so often during the course of her campaign that they might as well be tattooed onto her knuckles. Her essential argument is that, unlike Mr. Obama, she has the foreign policy credentials to go up against Mr. McCain and win — a claim that has been dismissed by critics who assert that being first lady isn’t remotely like being secretary of defense. Fair or not, those critics got a real boost when it was revealed that at least one of her claims from that period was, at best, misremembered.

The Bosnia flap undermined Mrs. Clinton’s case for experience at a moment when she is desperately trying to convince her party’s superdelegates that she is the only Democrat who can win. Perhaps worse, though, the controversy played perfectly into an anti-Clinton narrative that Mr. Obama has peddled — namely, that Clintons, both of them, will say or do anything to win. (Exit polls from the Mississippi primary showed that half the voters questioned Mrs. Clinton’s integrity.) Even should she manage to snatch the nomination away at this late date, she can expect to run up against that same indictment from Mr. McCain in the fall, along with ads repeating her statements about Bosnia and the non-existent snipers. In other words, that one could be


First of all, Kerry never said anything about voting for the war before voting against it. The flip-flop meme was spin.

Second, "typical white person"? More spin!

"Finally, we have the story of Hillary Clinton and her bullet-dodging landing in Bosnia in 1996..."?

What the hell do the two former misrepresentaions by the writer (Bai) have to do with Hillary's repeated lies?

This goes to her credibility, and her lies are extensively documented.



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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:58 PM
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5. I was thinking others might want to respond to it with comments
not that I agreed with everything -should have put that in my OP. You should add your comments to the NYTimes page.

I think they haven't given up on their endorsement.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:43 PM
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2. Faulty analysis.
There is only one factor that decides whether something negative sticks to a candidate. Consider the following lists:

Didn't stick:
Cheney-deferments
Bush-AWOL, DUI, cocaine, etc. etc.
Reagan-everything
McCain-lobbyist/sex scandal, Sunni/Shia gaffe, etc.

Stuck:
Dean-scream
Gore-invented the internet, serial liar, etc.
Kerry-flip flop, Swiftboater attack, etc.
Carter-malaise, hostages, failed rescue mission, etc.

Note that all the accusations that didn't stick were true, while many that did stick were false (Dean scream was a media trick, Gore and the Internet, gore as liar, Kerry and the Swiftboaters, etc.)

What is the single difference that separates everyone on List 1 from those on List 2? Think about it.

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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:56 PM
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4. I agree with you (should have put in OP that I thought it was interesting, not necessarily correct)
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:05 PM
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7. Quit being defensive. I don't think anybody is confusing you with the NYT.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:45 PM
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3. It really comes down to the likeability of the person
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 01:46 PM by Araxen
If you're very likable people seem to be more forgiving of the person. It's as easy as that.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:03 PM
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6. No. Wrong.
It comes down to whether the media want to get you. Teflon is awarded by the media, and is not a personal attribute as so often assumed. In my list above, all the Teflon examples are Republicans, all the Krazy Glue examples are Democrats. Political party is a good surrogate predictor for whether the media want to get you, but not an infallible one.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:00 AM
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8. You should quit using the media as a crutch response
Obama has that Teflon coating and he's a Dem and he was absolutely beat up by the media over the Wright issue. Any other person's campaign would have been over with and it's due to Obama's likability that allowed him to weather the storm and come out stronger because of it.

So please quit using the media as a crutch.
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