Who stands to gain from dividing Dems?

[redqueen]

The GOP.

Don't forget it.

[texastoast]

1. I don't know if they get it

Many of them don't seem to.

[redqueen]

3. Well then we shall have to keep reminding them.

:hi:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

32. O & C Supporters: Let's all team together and keep the unity threads kicked....

n/t

[redqueen]

36. Excellent idea.

Thank you. :)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

41. let's get more people on the bandwagon.....

n/t

[Mags]

6. John McCain

[stellanoir]

2. Rove and Hill's nefarious team

[gateley]

4. Not an accurate snark.

If the party is divided, Hillary won't benefit.

[redqueen]

8. Thank you.

Time to start pullling it together.

If only for the sake of denying repubs the satisfaction of seeing us at each others' throats. :)

[redqueen]

5. That's no team...

Many may think the campaigns are using Rovian tactics, and that may be justifiable.

But there is no way on God's green earth that I believe that Rove would ever help the Clintons. His only interest is assisting the GOP in stealing more elections. Period.

[Hieronymus]

25. Pat Buchanan and Richard Mellon Scaife seem very pro-Hillary.

[redqueen]

26. For their own reasons... not to help her.

She may be taking advantage of their newfound benevolence... but I doubt very much she expects that to continue into the GE.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

34. My Repub brother says that he now feels sorry for Hillary.....

He thinks that she's really getting beat up on and it's also the thing where if they see Olbermann and the more liberal media outlets beating up on her - they're going to go the opposite way.

[readmoreoften]

43. And Peggy Noonan, David Brooks, and Robert Kagan seem very pro-Obama.

So fucking what. Both candidates are lapdogs. They both have their Republican fans.

[totodeinhere]

7. A Dem candidate might also benefit from dividing the party, at least in the short term.

Driving up your opponent's negatives is divisive, but it works. Many successful candidates have had to be divisive to a certain extent.

[redqueen]

9. Maybe so... but in the end, it is the GOP who benefits the *most*.

:hi:

[totodeinhere]

15. Agreed.

But personally, I dislike divisive campaign tactics no matter what side of the isle they come from.

[mrJJ]

10. Billary 2012

Billary 2012

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Yep

sad but true

[redqueen]

13. Not so much true as conspiracy theory...

but I guess if sowing division even now is your thing, have at it.

[texastoast]

14. Nope

Dividers are helping McCain.

[redqueen]

18. ...

for now.

Tick, tick, tick...

[texastoast]

19. ...

;-)

[redqueen]

12. Enjoy your stay.

welcome to du

I guess.

[gateley]

22. I don't agree.

I think if the party is divided as a result of this campaign, Billary wouldn't survive. They'd be held responsible for allowing another Rep to march into the WH.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. K&R

See, Redqueen? We don't always disagree! :D

[redqueen]

17. Aw sweetie... you don't have to remind me!

:hug:

[TomBall Democrat]

20. Right now, I'm wondering just how far the GOP

extends into my party.

When a robocaller is calling my delegates, I'm pissed.

And I want to know who is responsible.

If found, this is election fraud - and now it's in my back yard.

[redqueen]

21. Trust me, I'm pissed too!

As a TX Dem, trust me, I'm all kinds of pissed. All these first-timers... what an awful time for this.

But let's keep our eye on the ball, and concentrate on dealing with the action itself, and not cast blame prematurely.

Especially now, when we need to start pulling together as a team.

Just my two cents. :)

[TomBall Democrat]

23. I'll be calm tomorrow.

But right now, I'm thinking as it seems you are, too of those eager new faces in the room.

And the confusion this will cause.

And because I think that whomever did this will get away with.

Thanks for the 2 cents.

You may be right - this is a Rove like tactic. Could be.

[redqueen]

24. I hope you're wrong...

if this sentiment is in your convention... I hope you'll do your best to tamp it down.

We need it like we need more tax cuts for the rich.

[H2O Man]

27. It is worth noting

that on DU:GD, you posted about an HBO movie, "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee." On that thread, I mentioned a book by Peter Matthiessen, "Indian Country," which is somewhat of a modern update on more current Indian issues.

In every case, without exception, the United States used the tactics of "divide & conquer" when attempting to steal from Native Americans. When one studies things that are going on in the democratic primary, including on internet political discussion forums, it is evident that republicans continue to use this same tactic.

[redqueen]

29. I had ulterior motives, posting that thread...

Remember the scene with Sitting Bull talking to the guy who was telling lies?

:hi:

[H2O Man]

31. I do not

believe that there are "coincidences." (grin) I think that it is good that you recommend people watch the movie, and read the books. Some things don't change.

[redqueen]

38. Indeed... 'twas ever thus.

:)

[H2O Man]

39. "Not this time!" n/t

[redqueen]

40. Touché!

:toast:

[Arkansas Granny]

28. I hope more people here take this message to heart.

[redqueen]

30. I think it's winding down...

however much the RNC tries stoking the fires.

:hi:

[FrenchieCat]

33. Yep.....

I have the same theory....

The fighting between Dems is being encouraged in part because of McCain's Public Financing problem, which is not a Problem as long as the Dems keep Fighting Each Other......Which may be why Fox, and Scaife, et al are being so nice to Hillary Clinton as of late. Obama is the frontrunner, so it's not gonna work to be nice to him. His lead is big enough, thank you!.....so indeed, they have to try and take him down to the 60% loss level in order to keep the race going beyond April.

Do you know what would happen to McCain if he had to face Obama's fundraising prowess today? It would be a massacre.

So it has been calculated smartly by those who's interest it best serves to delay as long as possible the Dem primaries being decided.....because that's better for John McCain's public financing woes as he can't spend anymore money anyways. If McSame doesn't have to spend anything to incur damage on his opponent, that's better for the Republican party; it makes them stronger, while we spend and spend away at each other.

No wonder Dem in-fighting is being encouraged, and why we have all of these Right Wing commentators being paraded on Television to "comment" on the Democratic Primaries. They are sitting there laughing at us, while we keep having to go to the bank. That's why the Wright controversy is being artificially kept at maximum level, and the speech on Race doesn't count as far as they are concerned. They don't want it to count for anything, and many in the Dem party are playing right along.

Plus the Dem in-fighting appears to be bringing voters over to the GOP side, which is a bi-product that they are welcoming.....and the GOP are waiting with open arms, and know what a difference approx 25% of the AA vote (and after the Richardson Judas remark) maybe 35% of the Hispanic voters.

The media of course loves it for a multitude of reasons (corporate tax rate stay low with a GOP win, as well as a continuation in deregulation so that they can become bigger), one important one being that they are the ones who profit from hard earned Dem money getting into their coffers for advertising big buys that they wouldn't see if things weren't close with Obama and Hilary, and since McCain doesn't have the moula, they'll gladly take Hillary and Obama can fight each other to the death.

We are being hosed, and may have very well been outsmarted or have outsmarted ourselves in many, many ways to date....enough to cost us the election that should have have left the Repugs as road kill. After 8 years of George Bush, we are now working hand in hand with the Republicans in destroying all of our advantages as the Democratic party.

We are truly fucked!

[redqueen]

35. I don't think we're fucked... we're positioned for opportunity!

Remember... every crisis is an opportunity.

:think:

:bounce:

[texastoast]

42. Please post this as a separate thread

Excellent explanation. And, ahem, some DU'ers need to have things explained to them.

[mudesi]

37. Hillary Clinton, in her next run 4 years from now (nm)

[readmoreoften]

44. If Hillary hands were as demonizing of Obama as Obama fans are of Hillary, I'd be defending him.

Both candidates are incredibly weak in my opinion. Not in terms of 'electability' but in terms of fighting the real fight: stopping this military-industrial juggernaut. (Frankly, I'm pretty convinced that even the US presidency has no power to stop it; however if that is the case, then we have an even greater motivation to elect a populist, reform oriented leader.)

I am far more disturbed by the fact that Obama's supporters went from supporting combative candidates like Edwards and Kucinich to projecting a grandiose and thoroughly imaginary progressive agenda on Obama's corporate centrism while turning Clinton's corporate centrism into antichristdom.

I fully expect McCain to be president in 2009. And it won't be Clinton's fault. It won't even be Obama's fault. It'll be our fault. They don't even need to steal elections anymore. All they need to do is fragment the only party that's capable of fighting them from within the system. (So much for 'within the system.')

[stillcool]

45. I think that has been the case ..

for a long, long time. But someone who can moderate national interests, with Empire interests might be able to restore some balance. A foolish idea perhaps, but I just can not accept that compromise and incremental change is impossible.

[joshcryer]

46. Agreed completely. Only reason I "support" Hillary. The evil supporters.

[sniffa]

47. Also 2012

[superkia]

48. The elite!

[madrchsod]

49. the people who obama mentioned in his speech

they are the true enemy of the people