Senator Casey, the anti-choice senator, endorses Obama, who wants women to pray

[question everything]

(or something) before they choose to terminate their pregnancies.

Buh-bye Roe.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. So if he were endorsing Clinton you'd be demanding she reject it, right?

Somehow I doubt it.

[question everything]

62. Clinton has never expressed an opinion that women should "pray"

before they decide to terminate their abortions. She recognizes that this is a private matter between the woman and her doctor and if she wants to pray and seek a spiritual guidance, it is her private matter.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

64. Oh how nice.

But she apparently does think that fundie pharacists should be able to impose their religious views on women.

..."With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics..."

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-3.html

[PresidentObama]

2. "Buh-bye Roe" Alerting for distorting and post not factual information. Obama WON'T overturn Roe.

[RainDog]

52. Yep, got an alert from me too

and also b/c of the bile this person was spewing on the one thread every other week I've posted here. I'm just like "all the other Obama supporters in the eyes of this op-er. "You people" was the classy term, I believe.

I'm not in this forum enough to know all the hate flamers, but this one was a roman candle from the moment I saw a post.

Maybe when Hillary is out of the race, "question everything" (except what QE chooses to post?) will decide we're not worthy of such esteemed company. At least I can hope. Yes, the audacity of hope.

He/she talks so much about the haters on the Obama side, but he/she does everything in his/her power to create a hateful atmosphere.

Here, have a cup of irony on me. By the time QE is done here, he/she may have single handedly made Hillary haters out of those who were relatively neutral about Clinton up until this time.

[JoFerret]

67. How hard will he fight?

Alerting? and for what?

Disagreeing with you?

[anonymous171]

3. Clinton sought out his endorsment.

fail.

[Alexander]

4. And Obama didn't.

Double fail.

The OP is on a roll. :rofl:

[anamandujano]

26. Share please.

[babylonsister]

5. Did you all get marching orders? This is the THIRD time I've

posted this today:

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/obama.html

Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)

Sen. Barack Obama submitted the following statement upon NARAL Pro-Choice America's request.

"A woman's ability to decide how many children to have and when, without interference from the government, is one of the most fundamental rights we possess. It is not just an issue of choice, but equality and opportunity for all women.

"I have consistently advocated for reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. I oppose any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's ruling in this case.

"I believe we must work together to reduce the number of unintended pregnancies. I support legislation to expand access to contraception, health information, and preventative services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. That is why I co-sponsored the Prevention First Act of 2007, which will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. It will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.

"Finally, I support the enactment and enforcement of laws that help prevent violence, intimidation, and harassment directed at reproductive health providers and their patients."

Voting Record:
Sen. Obama received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America's Congressional Record on Choice.
2007: 100 percent
2006: 100 percent
2005: 100 percent

Public Statements about Choice:
A selection of Sen. Obama's public statements on this issue is below.

"Thirty-five years after the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, it's never been more important to protect a woman's right to choose... Throughout my career, I've been a consistent and strong supporter of reproductive justice, and have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America... I believe in and have supported common-sense solutions like increasing access to affordable birth control to help prevent unintended pregnancies... As President, I will improve access to affordable health care and work to ensure that our teens are getting the information and services they need to stay safe and healthy."

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/22/obama_statement_on_35th_annive.php>

"You know, I think that most Americans recognize that this is a profoundly difficult issue for the women and families who make these decisions. They don't make them casually. And I trust women to make these decisions in conjunction with their doctors and their families and their clergy."



"I explained my belief that few women made the decision to terminate a pregnancy casually; that any pregnant woman felt the full force of the moral issues involved and wrestled with her conscience when making that decision; that I feared a ban on abortion would force women to seek unsafe abortions, as they had once done in this country."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546298,00.html (accessed May 9, 2007).>

"I strongly disagree with today's Supreme Court ruling, which dramatically departs from previous precedents safeguarding the health of pregnant women. As Justice Ginsburg emphasized in her dissenting opinion, this ruling signals an alarming willingness on the part of the conservative majority to disregard its prior rulings respecting a woman's medical concerns and the very personal decisions between a doctor and patient. I am extremely concerned that this ruling will embolden state legislatures to enact further measures to restrict a woman's right to choose, and that the conservative Supreme Court justices will look for other opportunities to erode Roe v. Wade, which is established federal law and a matter of equal rights for women."

[DJ13]

23. "Did you all get marching orders?"

Yes they did.

Without Wright to criticise Clinton's campaign HQ seems lost.

:freak:

[question everything]

63. Thank you for this comprehensive research

Of course this is what he will say to NARAL and to Planned Parenthood.

However, when appeared in front of the 700 Club, he inserted the "prayerful"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3755544

"The reason that I have make a decision to support the choice position, is not because I don't think its a moral issue, but because I trust women to make a prayerful decision about this issue."

And as some of his current strong supporters initially expressed their resentment to the insertion of religious terms into this issue.

Personally, I have to wonder about how so many DUers, often expressing disdain to inserting religion into politics, so much so that on occasion some would wonder whether DU is "anti-Christian," yet see no problem with Obama carrying his Christianity on his sleeve. (Yes, I know the reason, but can't people at least cringe?)

[babylonsister]

65. Ya know what? He agrees with my views.

I am not 'prayerful' or religious by any stretch, but I have no problem with anyone that is, including Obama, or you. As long as his religion doesn't insinuate itself into his governing, I could care less. And from what I've seen, heard, and embraced about Obama, it ain't gonna happen. "His" religion may have shaped him to some extent, and if that's true, that's okay by me. He's a genuine person that I have so much respect for, and he hasn't let me down yet.

[hedgehog]

6. Nice try.

[chknltl]

7. If it STINKS let it SINK

Buh Bye

[blm]

8. Have you researched Hillary's Prayer Group, The Fellowship? They have a mission.

Casey does not, even though he is personally pro-life.

Casey also endorsed Kerry in 2004, and no one believed Kerry would overturn Roe v Wade, and no serious pro-choice person believes Obama will, either.

[TZ]

9. What bullshit

Do you really think Obama is anti-choice? I doubt it.
Talk about a dumbass, shit stirring argument.

[RainDog]

53. when it's dirt, you must alert!

when you work at making enemies... whaddya know... you make them! Hell hath no fury like a white, middle-class momma who breast-fed her two sons (tho never in the Olive Garden), who volunteered to be an escort at Planned Parenthood, who then reads the bullshit that spews from this poster. shouldn't a never been so pissy to this momma... I tried to say it nicely...

[BumRushDaShow]

10. His father had the same position 22 years ago as PA Governor and guess what? Roe is still here.

:eyes:

The majority of U.S. citizens support choice. Of course if Sen. Clinton had his endorsement, which I had assumed was hers but was in for a surprise, none of this would be relevant.

[DrFunkenstein]

11. A Shining Example of Your Belief in Honest Dialogue. Buh-bye, question everything.

n/t

[FrenchieCat]

Question everything because you don't know anything!

Talking out of your ass again? Pinning everyone else's beliefs on a candidate just because they endorse? You are simply pastorbating.

OBAMA wants to appoint judges empathetic to those being Poor, Old, Gay, Women, Disabled
and minorities.

Speaking at the Planned Parenthood conference in DC this afternoon, Barack Obama leveled harsh words at conservative Supreme Court justices, and he offered his own intention to appoint justices with "empathy." Obama hinted that the court's recent decision in Gonzales v. Carhart -- which upheld a ban on partial-birth abortion -- was part of "a concerted effort to steadily roll back" access to abortions. And he ridiculed Justice Anthony Kennedy, who wrote that case's majority opinion. "Justice Kennedy knows many things," he declared, "but my understanding is that he does not know how to be a doctor."

Obama also won a laugh at the expense of Chief Justice John Roberts, saying that judgments of Roberts' character during his confirmation hearings were largely superficial. "He loves his wife. He's good to his dog," he joked, adding that judicial philosophy should be weighted more seriously than such evaluations. "We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/17/274143.aspx

--------------------------

Obama opposes Southwick judicial nomination.
WASHINGTON--The Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday votes on a very controversial judicial nominee, Leslie Southwick, a former Mississippi state court appeals judge. According to the Alliance for Justice, Southwick is " hostile to worker, consumer and civil rights.''
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/06/obama_to_oppose_southwick_nomi.html

Obama is not scary, just disappointing. Regarding a matter more serious than vegetables -- a judicial confirmation -- he looks like just another liberal on a leash.
<>
Obama, touching all the Democratic nominating electorate's erogenous zones, concocts a tortured statistic about Southwick's "disappointing record on cases involving consumers, employees, racial minorities, women and gays and lesbians. After reviewing his 7,000 opinions, Judge Southwick could not find one case in which he sided with a civil rights plaintiff in a non-unanimous verdict." Surely the pertinent question is whether Southwick sided with the law.

To some of Southwick's opponents, his merits are irrelevant. They simply say that it is unacceptable that only one of the 17 seats on the 5th Circuit is filled with an African American, although 37 percent of Mississippians are black. This "diversity" argument suggests that courts should be considered representative institutions, like legislatures, and that the theory of categorical representation is valid: People of a particular race, ethnicity or gender can only be understood and properly represented by people of the same category.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070813/ai_n19476124

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WASHINGTON -- Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin and Barack Obama of Illinois met Friday with the head of the U.S. Marshals Service to voice frustration over what they call a lack of progress in establishing new safety measures to protect federal judges.
<>
The Illinois senators expressed their concerns Friday to John Clark, the acting director of the U.S. Marshals Service. Clark, who recently had a meeting in Chicago with Lefkow and more than 20 other judges about security issues, vowed to resolve the matter.

Obama said he and Durbin told Clark to give them "an immediate written update" for how and when the security systems would be installed.

Don Hines, a spokesman for the U.S. Marshals Service, said officials would meet with the security company next week. "We expect the installations to begin in the near future," he said.
http://obama.senate.gov/news/051217-senators_press/

[OzarkDem]

12. Obama and Casey have much in common

including their regressive ideas about the role of women.

[FrenchieCat]

14. I am a woman, and I call your post bullshit!

[anonymous171]

16. Obviously Clinton does too. Since she sought out his endorsement.

It seems Clinton is only a feminist when she is not being an opportunist.

[Whisp]

13. I think I heard that Hillary goes to that special elite church

(the one that gives god given rights to hoity toitys.)
with people that think a pharmacist should decide on what prescriptions to give out according to his religious beliefs.

Uh oh.

[Bright Eyes]

15. So a stupid Senator endorses Obama

Makes Obama anti-choice, HOW?

[PresidentObama]

24. It doesn't, and everyone should alert this for the OPer posting factually inaccurate talking points.

[ampad]

17. Funny

Funny because Clinton was courting the Casey endorsement.

[TTUBatfan2008]

18. You don't want people...

to start looking at the Congress members endorsing Hillary because I'm pretty sure she's got anti-abortion ones in her corner as well. You can't judge their beliefs by the people endorsing them. Hillary ran nasty, misleading mailers in New Hampshire that were straight up gender-baiting. She portrayed Obama as a Republican on abortion even though he's a typical liberal on the issue. Some New Hampshire women who previously supported Hillary were outraged by it and the female Democrats in that state have a rift that they are trying to heal due to her tactics with this issue.

[Bonobo]

19. Along with Leahy and Kennedy and Kerry and Richardson. Ha ha ha ha ha!

[PresidentObama]

37. Don't forget Dodd!! n/t

[Alii]

39. And Heinz?

[JI7]

44. and Lamont

[cascadiance]

57. and Pelosi...

[SoxFan]

20. Who managed Bob Casey Sr.'s gubernatorial campaign?

[JVS]

21. How do you like Murtha?

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. Notice: Clintonite Thrashing Wildly Above

By the time Clinton drops out, they will accuse Obama of having started the Holocaust.

The real question: Was question everything doing happy backflips when Bob Casey kicked Rick Fuckin' Santorum out of office? Reasonable people want to know....

[anonymous171]

29. He kicked Santorum out!? Now I love the guy.

He probably knew that Hillary was in the same Religious faction that Santorum was (The Fellowship.)

[Freida5]

25. He is also anti gun control. surprise

[PresidentObama]

32. So why did Hillary seek his endorsement? surprise

[Mooney]

27. HA HA HA HA (etc)

From a purely comic perspective, I'm starting to be happy for Hillary to stay in the race.

[PresidentObama]

30. She is going absolutely insane, and so are her supporters.

[Mooney]

38. We're supposed to perceive her obvious insanity as "toughness" and "feistiness."

Outside of my subway stop, there's a wino who screams incoherently about random bullshit. I admire his feistiness too.

[Emit]

28. It's Hillary who has wooed the conservative vote on abortion

Hillary woos conservative vote on abortion
Washington
January 27, 2005

Hillary Clinton, seen by many Democrats as their best bet to recapture the White House in 2008, has made an extraordinary appeal for support from right-wing religious groups.

The wife of former president Bill Clinton said she sought common ground on abortion and described herself as a "praying person". Her words represented an attempt to repackage her image for American conservatives, many of whom despise what they see as her radical feminist views.

During a speech on Monday night to mark the anniversary of Roe v Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling that legalised abortion, Senator Clinton drew gasps from an audience of hundreds of pro-abortion activists.

"There is an opportunity for people of good faith to find common ground in this debate. We should agree that we want every child in this country to be wanted, cherished and loved," Senator Clinton said. "We can all recognise that abortion in many ways represents a sad, even tragic, choice to many, many women."
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She also praised religious groups which have run chastity campaigns for young people.

~snip~

The New York senator has long been an advocate in the abortion debate for a woman's right to choose. Both pro and anti-abortion groups agreed that the speech marked a naked attempt by Senator Clinton to soften her image in "Red America", the heartland states that have twice voted Mr Bush into office.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Hillary-woos-conservative-vote-on-abortion/2005/01/26/1106415662321.html?oneclick=true

[Muttocracy]

55. now I remember that one

Had forgotten about it but that brings it back. Thanks.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

31. And if he had endorsed Hillary?

What a slimy OP. You are either a hypocrite or a Repuke.

:puke:

[kid a]

33. why do you hate praying? HYPOCRITE ALERT (didn't hillary seek this endorsement?)

my questions for your idiotic post

[jgraz]

34. OH YEAH???? Well he's not NEARLY as bad as that guy who endorsed Hillary!!!!

Oh wait -- nobody's endorsing Hillary.

nevermind.

[anonymous171]

35. OMG

:spray::rofl:

[Mooney]

40. Face!

[babylonsister]

41. Snap! nt

[JVS]

42. ZING!

[PresidentObama]

46. BURN!

[Arugula Latte]

56. OUCH!

(I just wanted to join in.) :)

[RBInMaine]

36. JEALOUS HillFans.

[slinkerwink]

43. Clinton sought Casey's endorsement.

[MrSlayer]

45. This forum really has gone to hell.

Just when you think things can't get any more ridiculous, they suddenly do.

[adoraz]

47. Hillary fans are starting to go

just as crazy as Hillary herself.

[yellowcanine]

48. So Casey endorsing Obama means Roe goes away? Logic challenged much?

[cascadiance]

58. So I guess Kucinich endorsing Obama would then confirm he's against Roe, huh?

... since Kucinich at one point was pro-life too. I'm sure that's all he thinks about now too, who he can endorse that will help advance that issue of his!

:sarcasm:

[AllentownJake]

49. Pennsylvania is a wierd state

The GOP senator is pro-choice
The Dem senator is anti-choice

We are wierd out here...deal with it.

[TheDonkey]

50. Get lost.

[Spider Jerusalem]

51. And John Murtha, the anti-choice Representative, endorsed Hillary

do you have a point?

[cascadiance]

59. Didn't Man Coulter do so also?

[Warren Stupidity]

54. The war is over. You can come home now.

[GoneOffShore]

60. Hey Question

Just remember

[boppers]

61. OP knows nothing about the current party leaders.

Reid much?

[JoFerret]

66. I can't imagine that Obama

is deeply committed to women's rights.

And certainly not gay rights.

But I guess women and gays need to shut up and let the rapture happen.

[CTLawGuy]

68. well if he had endorsed Hillary

you wouldn't be saying that.