Shenanigans at the obama campaign...

[TankLV]

I attended the Nevada Democratic Party Caucuses in January here in Henderson, Nevada.

My partner could not attend because he was away in Tennesee at the birth of his granddaughter at the time.

We just noticed that the obama campaign is sending him emails thanking him for "voting for obama in the caucuses"!

What the hell are these people doing?!?!

We are currently endeavoring to contact the Hillary Campaign and the local Democratic Party and State Elections officials to officially register our complaints and fill out any affidavits, etc.

This is a PERSONAL example of the corruption of the obama campaign - and I wonder how wide spread this is!

People should be aware of this!!!

I was not planning on attending the upcomming April State convention, but now this is all changed...

THIS CORRUPTION BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN HAS GOT TO STOP - NOW!

How many other victums are there of his corruption?!?!

[anonymous171]

1. I don't really think that is corruption. Could just be a mistake on the email list..

[TankLV]

6. Yeah - just another "mistake" on obama's part!!!

[DevonRex]

17. Um, you already had your caucuses, right?

Just trying to figure out why you're outraged. Is your partner a delegate?

[TankLV]

37. Did you read my OP - HE WAS NOT THERE...

[krawhitham]

101. That's what he told you

[blogslut]

39. The caucus is the first stage

Delegates are elected on the precinct level. Tomorrow they will be elected at the county level. Then comes the state level delegate election.

[DevonRex]

63. Yep, that's what we do here in Colorado. But...

If the guy is NOT an Obama delegate, then he doesn't go to the convention and vote for Obama. Simple. I get those emails, too. I am an Obama supporter, in fact a precinct captain, but I am not one of the Obama delegates from my precinct. I have gotten several emails from teh Obama campaign reminding me of the convention place nad time and that if I'm a delegate to be sure to go and thanks for my support, yada yada yada.
And for this guy to say (below) that votes are public record is just hogwash. The state knows who voted but they have no idea who voted for whom. Obama has no idea who voted, much less who voted for whom.

[blogslut]

2. Did you look at the headers?

What was the originating email address?

[TankLV]

4. It's from the obama campaign headquarters...

and no, obamabots - this is HAPPENING - NOW...

[blogslut]

11. yes, you say that

But what is the return email address? The originating one? Do you know how to look for it in the headers?

[TankLV]

23. We are checking into it now - he got the emails, not me...

[blogslut]

26. Well, in case you need help

Here is a handy link: https://hdc.tamu.edu/reference/documentation/index.php?section_id=589

[KittyWampus]

3. have you been drinking?

[DevonRex]

29. Really good question....

especially now that he's added other stuff to his story. That fish keeps getting bigger and smellier.

[TankLV]

43. nice try - I expect as much from you...

and the answer is NO...

idiot...

[roguevalley]

92. idiot? jeez. by the by, I get shit all the time from people I never

heard of because they have my name in a list some place. I don't split a gut over it. I delete it.

[tabatha]

5. Maybe it was a single clerical error.

"This is a PERSONAL example of the corruption of the obama campaign" - how can you say that with 100% certainty?

If they were so corrupt, do you think they would send out an e-mail broadcasting the "shenanigan" ?

[TankLV]

7. Nope - he's gotten a few emails on this now...

we just happened to notice it...

[tabatha]

13. You did not undersatnd the question.

If they were really corrupt, then they would know that people who did not vote would get upset being sent e-mails thanking them for voting - just as you are.

Thus they would not send - if they were corrupt - e-mails to highlight the corruptness.

Thus I can only conclude that this is a clerical error.

[TankLV]

41. umm - nice try - they stated that he was a SUPPORTER and a DELEGATE...

when that is impossible...

[yardwork]

80. Politicians send out appreciate mail all the time, hoping to get voters' support.

Obama doesn't know whether your partner is his delegate or not. He's sending everyone whose name was signed up for the caucus these emails, hoping to sway the decisions of undecideds. That's not corruption. That's a tactic as old as junk mail.

All politicians do this. Nobody has stolen your partner's vote.

[Adelante]

8. What corruption?

:shrug:

[TankLV]

15. It dovetails nicely with my personal experience at the caucuses...

we disbanded without voting on or being able to select any delegates - and Hillary won our caucuses...

[blogslut]

24. back up

You didn't select any delegates?

Why not?

[TankLV]

47. The caucus ended and disbanded without our group doing any voting on delegates, etc.

It was run by people who didn't seem to know what to do - I was there as a participant...

It was total confusion...

[blogslut]

55. Well, that sucks

Do you live in a large precinct?

Do you need help with those headers?

[TankLV]

60. Yes - it's a relatively large precinct - but it there were a total of a few hundred in our precinct

that showed-up to vote.

we also ran out of "ballots"...

I posted my account back in January...

[Lisa0825]

9. Similar emails have come from the Hillary camp in Texas

I know 2 people ini my own county who voted for Obama and are delegates who got emails from Hillary thanking her for being a Hillary delegate.

[TankLV]

20. Sorry - this is about obama - and a PERSONAL example of his camgain's CHEATING...

I'm not aware of any such thing on Hillary's campaign part...

[tammywammy]

34. How is it cheating?

Didn't you already have your caucus? If you husband isn't even a delegate isn't it possible it's just a mistake? :shrug:

[TankLV]

50. NO - we already did have our caucus - back in January - he was not there - I was...

therefore he could NOT be a delegate...

He is right across from me about two feet away from me - he is NOT a delegate...

[tammywammy]

57. So, how is it cheating then?

[CreekDog]

93. why don't you copy and paste the emails so we can see n/t

[Lisa0825]

53. My POINT is that it's possible that they just pulled Democrats' emails

from various sources and sent the notices out, or that cross-checking them didn't go well, or their database had errors. There are plenty of plausible explanations, and I didn't hit the fucking roof when I heard about Hillary's misdirected emails.

BTW, you're rude. :eyes:

[Adelante]

75. Both campaigns received INACCURATE spreadsheets from the Texas Dems

Guess What? Obama Is Not 'Poaching' Delegates in Texas

snip

According to spokesman Hector Nieto of the Texas Democratic Party, "the information that we gave to the campaigns was information given to us by the individual precincts. We then sent that information to a contractor to key it in to a spreadsheet. There's a possibility that an error was made when the information was keyed in." In other words, the precincts reported the correct candidate affiliations to the state party, but an outside contractor likely screwed up when entering those affiliations into a single spreadsheet --meaning that the Clinton and Obama campaigns received lists that incorrectly displayed at least a few Clinton delegates pledged to Obama (and perhaps vice versa).

Read the whole thing

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/03/28/guess-what-obama-is-not-poaching-delegates-in-texas.aspx

[Medusa]

10. I get emails from the MCCain campaign all the time

thanking me for my support. I've never voted for him. How did he get my email? I think from my GOP Senator. I'm on his mailing list and I bet that's how the McCain campaign got it. Just saying.

[democrattotheend]

12. I don't get it

It sounds like they assumed everyone participated and sent thank you's. What's the big deal? How is this corrupt?

[TankLV]

16. They have him listed as a DELEGATE for obama...

this is serious...

[DevonRex]

21. LOL!

Obama's campaign has no idea WHO the delegates are. Nice try.

[TankLV]

25. It's part of the public record - there are sign-in sheets, etc...

nice try my ass...

[DevonRex]

44. LOL again. And nice try but no cigar. Sheesh. nt.

[TankLV]

52. You don't know what your talkling about - nice try...

[tammywammy]

77. If he wasn't there to caucus

Then how would his email be on the sign-in sheet? Did you list his email?

[DevonRex]

83. That's why I know this is bogus.

Who votes for whom is not public record. The Obama campaign doesn't even know that I'm NOT a delegate from my precinct even though I was precinct captain. I get emails all the time reminding me of our convention date and time and to be sure to go IF I'm a delegate. Oh yeah, and they thank me for my support.

[SeattleGirl]

96. If so, then he can just contact them and tell them they are incorrect.

What's so difficult about that?

[yardwork]

14. You could be overreacting just a teensy bit.

It seems more like a simple mistake than a nefarious plot. In fact, if it is a nefarious plot, I can't figure out the point of it.

[TankLV]

18. umm - hardball CHEATING by the obama campaign?!?!

[JoFerret]

28. Just a boneheaded mistake

.

[TankLV]

35. seem so to be alot of them from obama...doen't it?!

[CreekDog]

94. they wouldn't cheat like that because it would stimulate you to turn out against him

when i've worked on campaigns before, people who support the opponent are not contacted again because it encourages them to vote against their opponent.

and the cheating thing, you are going to have to provide more information/evidence of cheating to convince anybody but yourself here.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. Are you and your partner going to forget you caucused for Clinton or something?

I fail to see how sending out a piece of mail thanking you for supporting Obama is going to do that. I don't see how this is hardball cheating. :shrug:

[DUyellow]

38. We can only wish ;)

[yardwork]

40. Obviously I'm missing the point. How is an erroneous email suggestive of cheating?

Are you suggesting that Obama somehow stole your partner's vote, even though your partner didn't even attend the caucus? You think that Obama stole the nonexistent vote and then thanked him for it?

George W. Bush stole votes in 2000 and 2004, but I didn't get an email from him thanking me for my vote. If he stole my vote (could have - I know he stole Ohioans' votes, and probably some other states' as well) he certainly wasn't going to notify me about it!

I think your partner received either an erroneous email, or possibly a "push-poll" type of message, along the lines of, "Maybe if we send out millions of emails thanking people for their votes they'll decide to vote for Obama."

Sort of like those letters we get in the mail containing a plea for money and customized address labels.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

19. !

:tinfoilhat: :popcorn: :beer:

[MercutioATC]

22. Ummm...so what?

It's called advertising.

A company (or campaign) buys a list from a company. Ideally, that list is as represented (pregnant women, Harley-Davidson owners, Obama voters, whatever). The company (or campaign) that bought the list solicits the people on that list.

Somehow, your partner wound up on an Obama voter list. I doesn't mean his vote was misrecorded. It doesn't indicate a sinister plot. For some reason, he wound up on some list.

Why in hell would this shake you up so?

[TankLV]

32. It disturbes us because it's now comming down to crunch time...

and goes to the integrity of our voting process...

obviously, corruption on obama's part doesn't "shake you up", does it?!

[MercutioATC]

82. I don't see the "corruption". Are you sugesting that you actually believe the vote was miscounted?

Isn't it much more reasonable to assume that this is just what always happens...mailings are made from a purchased mailing list?

Even if here WAS voter fraud involved, how does the Obama campaign have anything to do with it?

[CreekDog]

95. is this the argument that the caucuses are corrupted and we should only count primaries?

i'm hearing your complaint right as Bill Clinton and others in the Hillary campaign are making this argument in what appears to be a very coordinated way.

[Life Long Dem]

The sky is falling!!

[Nitrogenica]

27. What kind of corruption is this?

[KAZ]

30. Moran.

[TankLV]

33. Nice - from a typical obamabot...

[anamandujano]

54. It might have something to do with the fact that delegates can shift

their votes.

I didn't stay at my caucus either to vote for delegates. I think they go through a few meetings on their way up to the final talley.

It is possible that the Obama people are getting themselves elected to the delegate positions in order to invalidate Hillary's talley.

The delegates in Florida in 2000 were planning on doing that no matter what happened, i.e. they were going to throw it to Bush.

Apparently it's legal, while being underhanded at the same time.

[Mooney]

36. Yup, there's no way that's a clerical fuckup. It can only be malfeasance.

God knows, I have never in my life received an e-mail in error. This incredibly rare anamoly which you and your loved ones have suffered is proof positive that Saddam Hitler Osama is thuggishly trying to MUG you for the presidency!

God help us all.

[CreekDog]

97. Oh and the email about Obama being a Muslim, that one's correct (of course)

:eyes:

[Kittycat]

42. Zoloft is your friend.

Seriously dude, take it down a notch - your foil hat is doing some serious circulatory damage. It's a friggen email, that could have come from anywhere. As a PP mentioned, your partner was probably on a mailing list. :eyes:

[gateley]

45. Chamomile tea. Really, have a cup. nt

[knight_of_the_star]

46. Epic Fail

Go take a time-out

[otohara]

48. As A Former Delegate in 04

I got calls and e-mails from all candidates, even ones I wasn't supporting. As hectic as the caucuses were this year, I'm not surprised your e-mail got on a Obama list.

Calm down, there's no corruption going on!

[yardwork]

49. I've decided that this is one of the top five funniest threads I've ever read.

Sorry Tank. I love ya, dude, and I'm not making fun of you, but this....

:rofl:

[TankLV]

56. Good for you - it's serious to us...

[yardwork]

59. Please explain what you think is happening. I don't understand.

[TankLV]

61. Read by OP and responses above...

This is disturbing to say the least...

[TankLV]

62. I've got to get back to doing "work" (my job) now - I will post back what our results are...

see you all later...

[joshcryer]

72. They sent their partner an email thanking them for voting, but they didn't vote.

Pretty damn simple.

[yardwork]

76. I got that part. How is that cheating? Why is that corruption?

[CreekDog]

102. your candidate was too busy sending "Obama's a Muslim" emails or they would've thanked them

oh well.

[VolcanoJen]

51. Obama was accused of "delegate poaching" in Texas too, but it's been debunked.

Sounds like what happened to you might be the fault of your state party, and not Obama's campaign.

Newsweek: Guess What? Obama is not 'Poaching' Delegates in Texas

On Wednesday, I delivered what I believed to be bad news for Obamaniacs: that their man, like his rival Hillary Clinton, was passively attempting to poach county caucus delegates. Earlier, I had reported that Iowa county delegates pledged to Obama were receiving robocalls from the Clinton campaign in the run-up to the coming county conventions (when such delegates can switch their allegiances). Now, I wrote, at least one Clinton delegate in Texas had received a postcard from the Obama campaign urging him to "Support Barack Obama at your county convention!" (which takes place this Saturday). "That means that both Obama and Clinton are, in effect, asking their rival's delegates for support," I added. "If neither Obama nor Clinton clinches the nomination by the end of primary season in June, they'll be forced to spend the summer jockeying for any possible advantage--and this is exactly the sort of passive, gray-area poaching that you can expect to see."

But that wasn't the whole story.

While the Clinton camp was heartened by the report--which essentially allowed them to say that if they were wrong to poach, so was Obama--Team Obama was not. Obama spokesman Bill Burton quickly contacted me to say that the postcard in question was mistakenly sent to a Clinton delegate--not, as I previously believed, to the entire list of Texas county delegates, regardless of affiliation. "The Texas Democratic Party gave us a list of delegates that indicated him as an Obama delegate--which is why he got the errant post card," he says. "The suggestion that we have a passive strategy of trying to flip Clinton's pledged delegates by sending one postcard to one guy is pretty ludicrous on its face."

[TankLV]

58. All I can do is relate what is happening to US - NOW...

[VolcanoJen]

64. Understood, but this also happened only a few days ago, to a Texas delegate.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

[Yael]

65. Did they also ask him to share his bank account information so that they

could reward him with $10,000,000 from a Nigerian account?

Seriously -- Spam email is a HUGE 'industry' for phishing, scamming and trojans. Don't take what you are seeing at face value.

[tammywammy]

69. Yael, maybe you can help me

I just don't see why Tank would call this cheating? Am I just not understanding it. Her partner did not caucus. Is not a delegate. He got an email saying "thanks for caucusing for us and being an Obama delegate," but he's not. Obviously it's a mistake email. But I don't see where it's cheating.

[Yael]

87. What I am thinking is this

You know how when you get an email, your email client asks you if you want to download images from <sender>?

That is because something as seemingly innocent as an image sent through email can be a problem. It can report back to the sender your IP (physical address) as well as the operating system you are using and how you are connected to the internet.

Have you ever gotten an email that said something like "News on Brittney" or "Nude Paris photos"?

If you open them, they probably won't even reference Brittney, Paris or anything. More likely links for Phentermine from Canada or something.

If I were in the phishing business, here is what I would do (mods, please remove if TMI):

Send out emails masked to "come from" [e-mail]. Title them something like "Thanks for voting for Barack". In the body of the email, have a link masked (like click here for your thank you prize instead of exposed like http://www.fakelink.com ) and redirect the computer to fakelink.com where a trojan is waiting to download itself so that I can play script kiddie games by using Tank's BF's computer to launch DDOS attacks against my rivals in the hacker world.

Less invasive (and much more common) is to redirect the computer to a site that generates ad revenue to the spammer.

By masking the 'from' email -- one will have to go into the headers to see where it REALLY came from. Few know how to do that (although the link is posted above). By masking the link -- that leads people to click out of curiosity.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are the new "Brittney and Paris" for this crap.

If Tank wants to send me the headers on the email -- I can take a look and let him know what I see. Forwarding it won't work as the headers will be replaced with his own. Tank -- PM me if you want some help with that.

[tammywammy]

88. Ahh, that would make sense

And luckily I don't get those crap emails. LOL

[CreekDog]

103. Tank still hasn't shown us any of these emails

just sayin'.

[TankLV]

66. One last thing - no matter what happens - we have decided to support the nominee when they are

finally chosen...

this is a big change on our part...

we cannot let the repukes win in November...

no matter how much I don't like obama...

[yardwork]

73. That's wonderful!

[Growler]

67. Drink much??

:eyes:

[walldude]

68. This is corruption?

Why don't you take your delicate sensibilities and attack some real corruption, like the in the neo-con Bush administration.

[TexasLady]

70. I once sent a bitch out letter to John Carter

here in Texas, right after Katrina. I still get the occasional vomitous email from them.

:shrug:

[yardwork]

79. That happens to me, too. I still get appreciative mail from Elizabeth Dole.

Believe me, the letters I sent her were not complimentary. According to her, though, I'm her biggest pal. Go figure.

I think that politicians blanket the country with emails and letters thanking people right and left, in the hope that a small percentage will actually be impressed and decide to support said candidate.

Exactly the same way that spam emails and junk mail works.

[knixphan]

71. I'm confused - still trying to find the corruption

[yellowcanine]

74. Mountain meet molehill. You can't be serious. A botched address on a mailing list does not a

scandal make. No matter how much you wish it to be so.

[undeterred]

78. victims!

[Catherina]

81. This thread is hilarious

:rofl:


Please relax and don't set Hillary up for CaucusGate. She's been embarrassed enough.

[KittyWampus]

84. it is funny. Unintentionally. Let's nominate it.

[Catherina]

85. Done. I haven't laughed so hard since I've been here n/t

[yardwork]

89. Ok, I'm in.

[Hoof Hearted]

86. His caucus shenanigans are finally starting to come out in the open

He's run a disgusting, crooked campaign.

Good luck to you and your partner, I hope you get to the bottom of all this.

[yardwork]

90. .

:rofl:

[SeattleGirl]

98. Really? Really?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[murielm99]

91. Read this thread tank.

Pay attention to post #5 and #27.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4883640

This has been going on all over the country. Clinton supporters are not allowed to speak or vote. Caucuses are being packed by Obama supporters who may not even be there legally. In some places, no ID or voter registrations are checked, and the Obamites know it.

There is widespread cheating by the Obama people at caucuses all over the country. I can't prove it, but I have had family and friends tell me this.

The media knows and they are giving Obama a pass. Maybe they are saving it to use for later.

Any DUer who has had a negative caucus experience because of the Obama supporters should let you know, Tank. There may be no way to stop it or prove it, but I think the truth should be out there.

Want to flame me Obamites? Bring it on. I don't care for cheaters, no matter what side they are on.

And after all the things you have said about Clinton without any basis, don't ask me to prove it. You haven't proven your allegations.

[CreekDog]

104. invalidate the caucuses?

is that what ya want? that would even up the score between Obama and Clinton.

[murielm99]

106. I think every DUer who has experienced something

questionable by Obama supporters at a caucus should document it. I wish some of them would post in this thread, too.

Invalidate the caucuses? I am beginning to think they were never valid to begin with. Obama found a way to game the system.

[CreekDog]

99. Is your candidate's campaign underhanded?

Second Clinton Volunteer Resigns Over Obama Muslim Email

Associated Press | Nedra Pickler | December 10, 2007 08:45 AM
Second Clinton Volunteer Resigns Over Obama Muslim Email

Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign on Sunday requested the resignation of a second Iowa volunteer coordinator who forwarded a hoax e-mail saying Barack Obama is a Muslim possibly intent on destroying the United States.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/10/second-clinton-volunteer-_n_76047.html

[Debi]

100. I attended the Iowa Caucuses and left as 'uncommitted'

I attended my county convention as an Edwards alternate
I will be attending my district convention as an Obama alternate

and yet

I KEEP GETTING EMAILS FROM THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN THANKING ME FOR MY SUPPORT!!

This must STOP! I never gave her money, I never signed a pledge card and I didn't caucus for her!

BUT...I did attend an event which is where the campaign got my email address :eyes:

[highprincipleswork]

105. Clarity would be good

Seems clear to me that neither candidate or their campaigns is sure which delegates are for which candidate. What they do have is lists of all the delegates that were selected. That is who they are contacting.

No corruption in that.