Remember: Clinton supporters vote on Tuesday, Obama supporters vote on Wednesday.

[DemVet]

People, quit whining about all the "dirty tricks" and other negative things you see in the news. Remember, there are no dirty tricks in politics. If we all think the Rev. Wright story is history, or we've heard the last of Hillary's little fib, or we've heard the last of Michelle Obama's "I can finally be proud of America" quote, think again. The "swiftboating" of our eventual candidate, whoever that may be, hasn't even started in earnest yet. I'm quite sure the 'pubs have a nice little package of controversial stuff they are waiting to unleash on our Nominee once he/she has been chosen. Expect it and deal with it.

Also, I see people on here whining about how Hillary is "ruining" the Democratic Party by staying in the race. I think there's a few million Democrats in the states left with a primary that would disagree with you. Personally, I want the people of the remaining primary states helping to choose our Nominee, not the media pundits and certainly not members of Congress by calling for someone to step down. Like they all don't have an axe to grind against one anothe anyway. Those members of Congress get their say eventually...with their superdelegate vote...at the Convention.

Also, it is NOT mathematically impossible for Hillary to win at this point. If you think that, you need to go to night school and retake High School Freshman algebra. Last time I checked, Barack Obama most likely won't reach the 2025 delegate threshold (number required to win) without the superdelegates either. All the delegate tallies at this point don't mean squat. The popular vote is meaningless. What matters is who has over 2025 delegates AFTER both the pledged (and we all know they are not really pledged) and superdelegates vote...AT THE CONVENTION.

That's when it counts.

[sandnsea]

1. There are only 3 more states Hillary might win

The other 5 are likely to go to Obama. That's it. Do the math yourself. She can't win. It's OVER.

Unless you support overturning the will of the voters.

[DemVet]

2. You didn't read...

...anything I said, did you?

Hillary Clinton doesn't have to win...she just needs to prevent Barack Obama from winning...which she is currently doing.

If neither has 2025 delegates by the time the convention rolls around, superdelegates will help decide the winner. At that point, she has just as much chance as Obama as winning.

That's a fact.

[sandnsea]

4. If you support overturning the will of the voters

I read perfectly fine. You just don't like the reality that the only way she can win is for the superdelegates to tell all of us voters to fuck off. And if that's her plan, just have the supers endorse now and get it over with. Why have this sharade of an election at all. Millions of dollars have been spent for nothing. We could have all had a big bbq and had a whole lot more fun.

[joshcryer]

5. Why don't the SDs just endorse Obama now and get it over with?

Might it be because they are holding out to make that decision after all the votes are counted, so that they may have an overview of the situation at that time?

Meaning it isn't really over?

[DemVet]

15. Hey, that might be her plan, but...

...it would be perfectly legal, wouldn't it? Don't like the rules? Work to change them.

[dkf]

6. I really doubt the superdelegates are going to go against the

pledged delegate vote.

Her dream that they will is wishful thinking.

And when I saw Obama on the View I realized what a severe personality deficit she is at. Obama simply keeps rising to the occasion and she keeps on sinking in the depths.

[joshcryer]

8. Then they should endorse Obama and get it over with...

...or so Obama supporters here should say.

[dkf]

14. I absolutely agree that they should. I think they are a bunch of chickens

who are scared of Hillary.

[thoughtcrime1984]

10. Just as much chance? NO!

If he is ahead by 150-200 pledged delegates, she is going to need virtually all of the "uncommitted" (of course they're not truly committed until the convention) SD's. He would only need, say, a quarter or a third of those SD's who have yet to state their preference publically. I'd say one candidate will likely have a much tougher task than the other. I truly doubt that the remaining SD's would flock to Hillary to override the candidate with a significant pledged delegate lead. Yes, 150-200 is significant. If she thinks she is going to snipe Obama's delegates from him, I think she is sadly mistaken. I believe many states are more likely to play out like Iowa, where she actually lost ground to Obama. Do you really believe her path to the nomination is no different than Obama's? I can't wait to see the results of the Texas convention today, that'll give us more fuel for discussion!

[Blarch]

21. Ya...

you said the popular vote doesn't count.

Maybe you didn't get the memo, Bill is on the stump claiming it is ALL about the popular vote. Thats their angle now.

[dkf]

3. I just wish Hillary would take her own advice and "GET REAL".

She's not showing me that she can correctly judge her chances of success and failure.

People like this who are so stubborn and pigheaded scare me. They are the kind of people who will keep us in wars we can't possibly win.

[joshcryer]

7. Please don't conflate a political fighter with a warmonger.

I know that Obama supporters enjoy making such convoluted observations, but it does nothing to foster geniune discourse.

[dkf]

13. I see it as a character trait myself. An inability to let go

and a need to experience the worst defeat before recognition of reality.

This is where judgment comes in.

Obama realized early on that Iraq was a stupid war and she didn't.

If he was in Hillary's position, he would know that he had a very low chance and that destroying the party and our general election success was not worth it but she can't see it.

Then again, Obama would sacrifice personal ambition for the greater good. I don't see that in Hillary.

[AmericanUnity]

9. I'M BEGINNING TO DISLIKE HILLARY CLINTON AS MUCH AS I DISLIKE GEORGE BUSH

[DemVet]

17. You're no different...

...than any other Obama-cultist.

[tekisui]

11. It's pretty obvious that it is going to go through all the states.

At that point, indications are the SD's will make their intentions clear, and we will have a winner in early June. There is no reason to drag on after all the states have voted.

The SD's will break for the Pledged Delegate leader, unless something earth shattering happens. And, the runner-up will bow out and lend support to our Nominee. I doubt it will got to the Convention, but it will likely go through June 3rd.

If Hillary can financially afford it.

[joshcryer]

12. What do you think would happen if Hillary won the SDs after June?

I wonder, myself. I think Hillary is more willing to drop out than Obama is.

[dkf]

18. The Democratic Party would lose AAs. And then it would be over.

Face it...SDs are mostly white. It would be very very bad indeed.

[tekisui]

22. For Hillary to win the SD's after all votes have been cast,

it would have to be, IMO, due to an Obama implosion. For the SD's to break for Hillary, Obama would have to be so damaged that even he would know it, and he would drop.

If the SD's were to break for Hillary without an Obama implosion, I don't know what would happen.

[Arkansas Granny]

16. Once the Democratic nominee is established, the RW will go into full attack mode.

Those who think that the candidates have been "fully vetted" already are in for a serious shock. As I heard someone say a few weeks ago, the RW smear machine can take a decorated Vietnam vet and portray him as a coward while they take an AWOL drunk and make him look like a hero. We have no idea what they have in store this year, but it will be nasty.

I have heard many say that this contest for the nomination is tearing our party apart, but I think we are more resilient than that. If the party leaders think that this is happening, I expect that the PTB will encourage the superdelegates to go ahead and pledge their support and declare the nominee. This may be happening now, but then again, we may not have a nominee until the convention.

Once that nominee is declared, however, we need to put aside the bickering that we have been doing among ourselves and support the Democratic nominee, regardless who it is. That's the only way we can get a Democrat in the White House.

[totodeinhere]

19. That's old politics.

People, quit whining about all the "dirty tricks" and other negative things you see in the news. Remember, there are no dirty tricks in politics.

You see, it's this type of old style dirty politics practiced by the Clintons that Obama wants to change. He has said it time and again but apparently you weren't listening. The time for that type of politics has passed. Obama will bring a whole new attitude about how to get things done once he is elected.

[oldgrowth]

20. We need to be going after Mcnuts and the MSM our lives depend

On this.If you didn't notice the news was canceled years ago we now have media models and talking heads that nothing but useless crap comes out there mouths an uninformed public is what we have 90%+!!!I wont a 24/7 or? new channel with real journalist and news from around the world the damed truth on my TV!!!

[CreekDog]

23. Yeah, so keep beating up on Obama

way to stand up for your candidate.

[JoFerret]

24. I don't know who is doing this" beating" you refer to or where

but in terms of the contest between Obama and Clinton - she is doing him a great favor. just as he became a much better debater when he actually had o engage. Obama actually owes Clinton for schooling him in how it's done.