Please stop lying Hillary.

[Diana Prince]

I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is in Nov., but this is just one more reason why I will hold my nose if it is Hillary. The article was on Buzzflash about 1/2 way down the page. (See link for complete article)

http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2008-03-25/article/29569

Commentary: Hillary Clinton Lied About Outsourcing, Too
By Paul Rockwell 2008-03-25


Job security is the foremost domestic issue for working people in Pennsylvania, where Sen. Hillary Clinton is expected to win the Democratic Party primary. For many months, as a candidate for president, Senator Clinton has cultivated a pro-labor image. She claims to be an opponent of NAFTA, and she often denounces the outsourcing of American jobs. Before a crowd of students in New Hampshire, she claimed that she hated “seeing U.S. telemarketing jobs done in remote locations, far, far from our shores.”

Newly released White House records demonstrate that Clinton lied about NAFTA. (See “Clinton Lie Kills Her Credibility on Trade Policy,” John Nichols, Common Dreams, March 22.) NAFTA, however, is but a single thread in a web of deception regarding globalization and free trade. Clinton is lying not only about NAFTA, but about outsourcing as well. And the evidence comes, not from Obama, but from official records, video tapes, quotations and recordings of Clinton speeches abroad.

Consider this. In 2005 Sen. Clinton visited New Delhi, India, (“far, far from our shores”), where she met wealthy business leaders, venture capitalists eager for U.S. investment. A few years prior to her visit, Enron gained a foothold in India’s economy. Enron uprooted local communities, fleeced the public coffers, then pulled out of India with the profits of unregulated greed.

In a speech promoting globalization and free trade, here is what Sen. Clinton said in New Delhi: “There is no way you can legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue....We are not against all outsourcing, we are not in favor of putting up fences.”

[Oleladylib]

1. Very happy to send you a clothespin if needed..or maybe some playdoh!

[Maddy McCall]

2. Here.

[patrice]

3. Stop calling Hillary a liar.

Deal with the issues without using Rep- ugly - can tactics.

[The River]

9. Snipergate

caught on tape lying.

Deal with it because it is a huge issue.

[DemVet]

15. Pastorgate

Obama was caught lying.

Originally said he hadn't heard his pastor say anything offensive.

Reversed himself in his "Speech" and said he had heard some offensive stuff. His original statement was therefore a LIE.

Now, on "The View" said he would have left his church if his pastor hadn't retired. This guy will say anything to get elected.

Pastorgate doesn't matter you say?

It does.

It calls into question Obama's character, or lack thereof in this case.

Associating with a racist, anti-American "mentor" for 20 is not my idea of someone I would prefer as my POTUS.

Hillary may have lied, but at least she admitted it. Obama can't even do that.

[pdxmom]

19. I'm so sick of people having no clue of the difference between "offensive"

and "controversial". They do NOT mean the same thing, and if you think they do, you need to spend more time on dictionary.com and less on DU.

[roguevalley]

25. Hillary admits lying? When? Being forced into a corner and saying

you misspoke because of overtired, etc. is not admitting. she's spinning like a top. Get real.

[C_U_L8R]

10. It might be helpful if Hillary stopped lying first

What else would you call a liar like Hillary?
Fabricator? Deceptor? Confabulator?

[ORDem]

13. OK. How about mendacious condescending arrogant dufus. Is that better? n/t

[Cha]

28. Yeah, the horse before the cart

and all that sort of thing. I Cannot believe how many duers think it's okay for hilary to lie about sniper fire in Bosnia when so many Soldiers are in real peril. People on this board are buying into the Delusion thing..saying if hilary gets the nom they'll vote for her. She ain't gettin' it..there's no way mathematically she can win.

[polpilot]

14. I went to MY caucus under sniper fire...from ALL directions, but I went Goddamit!!

Sorry, my bad, it was just microwave popcorn. Honest mistake.

[Catherina]

16. Not a liar?

[pompano]

23. Bravo....

I know, it gets on my nerves to. Fabrications are NOT lies and fabrications rooted in sleep deprivation are less than lies...they are oopsies.

It is not out of the question that missing a few hours of campaign sleep can bring on amazing clarity of vivid hallucinations... four different times. It's down right silly to suggest otherwise. Case in point: I was awoken early from a nap once without the full compliment of the required hours. For two months and on several different occasions I told all who would listen that I was the first man to orbit the earth in a Volkswagon (with power steering) and people had the audacity to call me the “L' word and sometimes even laugh. Can you believe that?

People can get on your nerves if you let them.

And, I am like so over Keith Olbermann now. Sometimes I just stick my fingers in my ears and blow “raspberries” at the TV when he is on.

"zzzzz :boring: zzzzzzz :boring: zzzzzzzzz :boring: zzzzzzzzz"
Right above, truth serum, if you were wondering?

[Catherina]

41. Rolf! Welcome to DU. You're very funny n/t

:hi:

[Cha]

27. He politely asked hilary to stop Lying..

that's the least she can do.

[Life Long Dem]

4. Yesterday, I was alright with Hillary staying in the race.

Today, after seeing all the trolls here and her rude supporters, my tone changed. It's been bad, and I was dealing with it, but this today has got to stop and it's more of a spamming than anything. No. Right now I want to know, "when is Hillary going to quit?" And I won't stop asking that question.

Blame it on Hillary's supporters. Now quit Hillary.

[goldcanyonaz]

7. We Clinton supporters feel the same in regards to Obama supporters.

Looks like we are each in the 22% that want the opposing candidate to quit.

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. Actually Clinton was not lying about NAFTA

She was opposed to it and voiced it again and again. That is what those who were there, said at the time.

But, once NAFTA was completed, she did her job to get it passed. She towed the party line.


Now, I know it is so easy to dissect and attack and continue the hate fest. But, reality is nuanced. And I have seen people on this board give Obama break after break on his "misspeaks" on his nuanced stances of issues.

Do the same for Clinton. She is not lying.

[cascadiance]

20. It is lying to say one's for it at one time and one's against it later...

And especially bad on the effects of globalization on the American workforce that is so fundamentally important to our middle class and our economy!

And if you want to try and dismiss it as a "thing of the past", then also be reminded that Hillary's just recently been pushing for opening up "insourcing" heavily in this country with removing caps on H-1B visas which also hit the American working class hard in similar ways. Face it America doesn't need duplicitnous on important issues like this that are THE fundamental issues of interest to this party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs

[dana_b]

22. However that doesn't hold up because if a person says that they are against something but doesn't

have the, well, intestinal fortitude to say "hey, I think this is a bad idea and I hope you don't mind, but keep me out of it" mentatlity, then why should others think that person is okay to run the country? Stand up for what you really believe in and STICK TO IT!!

[roguevalley]

26. being opposed to it but still talking it up in multiple meetings because

of your husband's position is still supporting it. If she didn't believe in it, she should have not gone to the meetings. Multiple people there said she was adamantly for it. She should have not gone if it was that offensive to her but she did anyway. so much for ethical positions.

[BlueManDude]

6. It's dispiriting that Dems still can't figure out that National Security is issue #1.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. Actually the economy is #1.

Carry on.

[BlueManDude]

30. That's why we keep losing. National security is alsmost always issue #1

in presidential elections and especially this year.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

32. Actually, the economy is #1. This year.

Carry on.

[BlueManDude]

33. Is that from the Bob Schrum school of political consulting?

health care is the #1 issue!!!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

34. Get it through your head!

The Economy: Growing Concerns

For the first time in over two years the economy and jobs is the most important problem facing the country today - edging out the war in Iraq. 23% name it - up eleven points in just one month.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/13/opinion/polls/main3706504.shtml

Other polls show the same thing.

[BlueManDude]

35. this will help the Dems in downballot but the prez election will be about the war and...

security.

You will see.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. If so, we win. Actually, either way. Both are clusterfucks. nt

[BlueManDude]

37. Explain McCain's lead over both HRC and BO?

Surely you don't think he's leading (growing lead I might add) because people think he feels their pain on the economy?

He's running on national security because he knows in the end that is Job #1 for any president.

[Diana Prince]

38. Economy #1

The economy is most important. Does he honestly believe that we can stay in Iraq or bomb Iran when we have no jobs. The people of this country will not allow it. Mcbush is leading now because our candidates are still involved in a primary, we are not campaigning for the GE yet.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

39. Because it's March. And McOld is getting a pass. nt

[Swamp Rat]

40. I don't believe he is "leading" anything.

[UALRBSofL]

8. I would suggest you take a look at both Obama and Clinton's voting record

on free trade. You would be surprised how they line up. Also, I'd suggest you take a look at both candidates platform of issues before being rude and calling candidates liars.

[Diana Prince]

11. What do you call it then...

if someone makes a speech to one group that directly disputes what they said to another. I at least said I would vote for the nominee, how many Hillary supporters can say the same. I just want a Democrat in the office.

[althecat]

17. "We are not against all outsourcing, we are not in favor of putting up fences" n/t

[AX10]

18. Berkeley?!?

:rofl:

[JKaiser]

21. Stop posting negatives about candidates.. Attack McCain..!

[Life Long Dem]

24. You saw the wealthy fat cats threatening Pelosi right?

Any of those Hillary supporters here?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

29. Wachovia trying to outsource clerical jobs to India

from their banking operations offices.

Dept heads having to train representatives from India to do the jobs
so that they can take the jobs to India.

The goal is to eliminate 80% of operational jobs.

[quakerboy]

31. Come on, thats not necessarily a lie

I mean, theres at least 2 outs on that little snippet alone.

First, you can hate outsourcing, while still not being against it. Technically true, if counterintuitive and slightly dumb.

More likely, perhaps she ONLY hates the outsourcing of Telemarketing jobs, but is for the continued outsourcing of Tech Support, Engineering, Manufacturing, etc. I suspect that even GWB dislikes the outsourcing of telemarketing. Outside of the fast food industry, what better source of jobs that help keep people alive yet without any real quality of life or job satisfaction is there than telemarketing?