President Barack H. Obama.

[WilliamPitt]

Just sayin'.

[Vinca]

1. Sounds good to me! nt

[scrucon]

149. Too bad it won't ever happen.

Y'all can keep saying' it 'cos it "sounds" good to you, but you might need some pharmaceutical assistance to deal with reality in 2009.

Just sayin' ......

[Name removed]

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[scrucon]

157. Why don't you try saying President Hillary Rodham Clinton?

Try it, you'll find it feels very liberating. And deep down, you know she's much better for us than Barack Obama.

[Joe the Revelator]

158. Why should I try saying something that has absolutely no chance of happening?

If we're just naming people who won't be President in 2008, why not just say President Paris Hilton?

[scrucon]

160. Both Clinton and Obama have a 50% chance each of winning.

That's the mathematic reality. But come on, do you honestly think that the cross-overs are gonna vote Obama over McCain? Why do you think Rethuglicans speak ill of Hillary night and day and shower Obama with praise? It's because they think they're setting us up for failure.

You better hope that Hillary wins the nomination, because if Obama wins, we're dead.

PS, that was a good one about President Paris Hilton. At least you have a great sense of humor.

[Joe the Revelator]

161. You seem not to know much about statistical percentages...

at this point, I'd put Obama at about 98% for getting the nomination. Hillary just does not have a path to get to the nomination.

[scrucon]

164. I I can't predict outcomes, but I do know a couple of things about "statistical percentages."

Either one could win. You're writing her off too early. The thing about "statistical percentages" is that you can't arbitrarily "put" them as you see fit. You put Obama at about 98%? WTF does that mean? On our side each has a 50% chance. I hope its HRC, you hope its BHO. After we have our nominee, we again have a 50% chance, meaning our candidate will either win or lose.

If you randomly go putting things wherever you want, we could lose a lot.

[Joe the Revelator]

168. Lets say there are, proportionally, 100 different scenarios for the rest of this contest

of those 100 scenarios, 98 would have Obama coming out as the nominee, and 2 would have Hillary pulling off the miracle. This is math, not rocket science.

[scrucon]

170. We can't say that because there are not 100 scenarios, there are only 2.

That's not math or rocket science, it's reality.

[Joe the Revelator]

171. You over simplifying things

Of course there are more then two scenarios that could end this season.

[scrucon]

173. Somebody has to, while Mr. Howard Dean sits around and twiddles his thumbs.

You know, I also wish that Gore would come in and fix things for us. I would much prefer to vote for him over HRC. But wishing it isn't gonna make it happen.

What alternate scenarios are you envisioning? I genuinely would like to hear, because the thought of Obama being our nominee scares the shit out of me. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is very ill. Kennedy is a Methuselah. Stevens is a relic. If Obama wins, all the seniors that you're not seeing on TV will pour out to vote for McCain. We will be so screwed, it won't even be funny.

[Zhade]

166. What must it feel like to be so ruled by unrealistic wishful thinking?

It's not even close to 50%. Sorry.

[scrucon]

169. That's what I ask myself about you Obama supporters.

Do you really want us to lose the White House that badly? Do you have no concept of how voters are gonna pick if the choices are Obama and McCain? Especially given his "maverick" status?

When you're in a race, you either win or lose. It's ipso facto 50%. We have 2 candidates. One will win, one will lose. That's not "close to 50%", it is precisely 50%.

I actually hope that Gore comes in and resolves this for us. I would also like to see Dean resign in shame over his handling of the Michigan and Florida situations, but hey, that's just my wishful thinking.

[delt664]

184. 50%? Okay time for a lesson in reasoning.

Let us assume for a moment that there are only 2 possible outcomes : Hillary receiving the nomination and Barack receiving the nomination. Because of factors that contribute to the outcome, the two possible outcome are only equivalant if all contributing factors are equivalant. As it currently stands, one candidate leads in delegates, popular votes, and states carried. That candidates chances are increased, while the others are decreased.

I thought this was fairly obvious, but I guess not.

[mythyc]

195. 28 posts all in this thread on a back-and-forth you're wrong i'm right wooze fest

impressive,



most impressive

[greguganus]

211. lol nice pic. DogVader!! n/t

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

222. I think you need to brush up on your statistics just a bit

Or at least take a 4th grade math class. Nobody with any sense would say Obama and Hillary have an equal chance at the nomination when she needs 60% of all remaining delegates to win the nomination and he only needs 40%. I have read some tortured logic from the Hillary camp, but this really takes the cake.

[delt664]

178. I think thats called Fuzzy Math

You said : "Why do you think Rethuglicans speak ill of Hillary night and day and shower Obama with praise? It's because they think they're setting us up for failure."

Is that why Rush Limbaugh is running what he calls "Operation Chaos" and encouraged his dittohead automatons to vote for hillary because the thugs would rather run against Obama than Clinton? The only Republicans who are showering Obama with praise are those who realize that their party is morally and ideologically bankrupt. Republican independants, if you will.

You better hope that Obama wins the nomination, because if Hillary wins, we're dead.
-fixed

[Lucky 13]

242. Math is not your forte, huh?

[Zhade]

165. Because it's an impossiblity?

Because we don't endorse delusional liars?

[DutchLiberal]

198. Obama is in it out of idealism, to make people's lives better. Clinton is only in it for the power.

Also, Clinton has set up the most disgusting smear-campaign I've ever seen. It's a Republican campaign. She doesn't deserve to win. She can't win. Obama leads in delegates and Clinton can never catch up. Why does she have to be such a sore loser? She'd rather damage the Party and give the nomination to McCain than have Obama win. Why people still support this power-hungry failure is beyond me.

(And I'm not even an Obama-supporter. I supported Kucinich.)

[scrucon]

224. As somebody asked upthread, what must it feel like to be so ruled by unrealistic wishful thinking?

I agree with you that HRC's campaign hurts the party. But suppose for a second that she believes genuinely, as I do, that Barack Obama is so weak, that he would be a puppet in the hands of the Senate and the House. Now, in the House, we have a majority and that is a good thing. But in the Senate, the minority has entirely too much power. That's how the Senate is set up. But suppose we lose in the House this time around. The ratings of Congress are lower even than those of the President. Nancy Pelosi and them haven't managed to pull our troops out of Iraq. After all the bluster to cut funding, nada. We might remain a majority in the house with a narrower margin. Then we have Obama (if he even wins), that scary minority and a narrow majority in the House. That's what scares me. If that's waht Hillary is thinking, too, then I can't blame her for staying in the race. I actually applaud her for still giving us a choice.

I was an Edwards supporter. I think that what he says carries a lot of weight. I hope he endorses Clinton, but I don't think he will because it would ruin his chances of having a position in the next administration.

[DutchLiberal]

231. But WHY do you and HRC think Obama is 'weak'? He certainly is STRONG in the primaries...

Is that what bothers you? You have nothing to back up your assertions, and neither has Clinton. What's this experience she speaks of? One of her lies about experience (in Bosnia) was already exposed last week. Heck, even the 9 year old kid who she put in the "3 o'clock phone call" smear ad turned against her!

[scrucon]

248. A man who is good at making speeches but cannot think on his feet has something wrong with him.

I think it's weakness because some of his speeches are cut-and-pastes from speeches of conservatives. And he praises Reagan. He's pandering. It's what he does on every occasion that he's backed into a corner. I don't want somebody like that at the helm of the federal gov't..

[DutchLiberal]

250. Where is the proof he can't "think on his feet"? That's just a slogan; I asked for arguments.

You may have noticed that every politician uses elements in their speeches that have been used before --Hillary used elements from her husband's speeches. That's bound to happen. I don't think that's a reason to discredit her.

And when did he ever praise Reagan? Have you bought into the spin the right wing has given his remarks that Reagan 'transformed politics in an important way'? (I'm paraphrasing here.) Obama didn't say it was a transformation for the good. But every historian can tell you Obama is 100% right with his remarks --without giving a judgment.

[Shae]

267. Barack Obama has shown himself to be

very good at thinking on his feet. I think he rivals Bill Clinton in that department, and has certainly shown himself to be more deft than Hillary. In addition, he doesn't come off as "weak," as you stated earlier. Maybe you should try looking at him with more unbiased glasses.

[IowaGirl]

235. President Hillary Rodham Clinton--there that sounded really good.

:kick:

[scrucon]

249. President Hillary Rodhma Clinton

It sounds so good, you have to say it multiple times.

Thanks for supporting her. It's lonely out here for us Hillary supporters.

[Cha]

236. Yeah, right..are you living in hilary's "reality"? Just sayin'

<snip>

Why Is Hillary Clinton Lying?
by Robert Parry

March 26, 2008—Two weeks ago, I wrote a story that observed a disturbing trend in Hillary Clinton’s campaign – her growing tendency to stretch the truth, twist what her chief rival was saying and then rely on her supporters to go on the offensive against you if you spoke up.

These tendencies were troubling, in part, because they mirrored what had become so common during George W. Bush’s years: to declare that a fantasy is the truth and then to attack the patriotism or sanity of anyone who thinks otherwise. I wrote:

“Throughout history, it’s been common for politicians to shade the truth when caught in a tight spot. But sometimes politicians push the limits, crossing the line into an Orwellian world where up is down, where bullies are victims, where people objecting to the lies are shouted down.”

The article cited a number of examples of Clinton turning reality inside out and repeating false attack lines against Barack Obama, such as claiming that he wanted to "bomb Pakistan" when he really advocated attacking al-Qaeda targets inside Pakistan if the government there refused to act.

A week later, I cited a report in the Boston Globe about Clinton exaggerating her behind-the-scenes support for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program – which was fashioned and passed by a bipartisan congressional effort led by Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. I noted that Clinton had transformed her peripheral role into a central theme of her campaign."

<more>
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2008/032608Parry.shtml

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. I can handle that

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

3. President Brock O'Bama

he's part Irish.

And people have gotten used to the name.

[RC]

53. Maybe Obama and I are related...

:P I'm part Scotch-Irish.

Hillary has no Irish in her, so hopefully there is no relationship there. Hillary is giving the Democrats a bad name. Notice I did not say Liberal.

[BearSquirrel2]

127. President Brock Sampson ...

But the Barack Obama thing sounded good too.

[scrucon]

151. That's much more likely that President Barak Obama. nt

[ClintonTyree]

197. Obama could never win the Presidential election.....

there's not a hope in hell that he could beat McCain. The media, who so far have given Obama a free pass on the vetting process, will suddenly find mountains of seedy, anti-American information about his family and associates that will insure the Presidency for McCain. Just what the establishment wants....another 4 or 8 years of Bush-style policies all skewed to the rich and corporate Americans.

The handwriting is on the wall, but unfortunately Obamas's acolytes are either blind or can't read. They're too caught up in the myth of the man to see that he's the absolute WORST thing that could happen to the Democratic Party at this point in time.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

223. Yes, we're all so blind to your supposition and empty theories

Silly us. :eyes:

[scrucon]

228. Obama will hand us the biggest loss since Carter in '84.

It's amazing to me that people see seniors at the Obama rallies and imagine that that is all seniors. They mostly don't get around. They're really not all that visible. But come election time, they'll all be there voting McCain.

How can people be so deluded?! Gawd, it's frustrating.

[BearSquirrel2]

237. You just kinda ignore everything that happens ... right????

Yeah, you folks just ignore everything that happens. You watch him walk into state after state and knock out Clinton's gimme leads.

The media is going VERY soft on Clinton right now (except the Tuzla thing, how could you NOT cover that). Faux News has built her up as the inevitable nominee. Once she gets it, they'll pull out the old tried and true stuff.

The truth is that conservatives really don't like John McCain. The Fundamentalists still don't like him after he kissed their asses. The GOP will have a VERY hard time rallying the troops for McCain. But it will be VERY easy rallying AGAINST Hillary Clinton. Hillary is the Republican's last shot at this election. You HillyBillies just aren't paying attention.

[AmericanUnity]

167. CHECK THIS OUT! "O'BAMA" - St. Paddy's Day tune I did

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlzY-hLhndo

[Kaleko]

189. Ha ha, that's a collector's piece of contemporary Americana!

You gotta love all the creativity inspired by this great movement for change.

Awesome.

:hi:

[TahitiNut]

4. We live in interesting times.

:shrug:

[slick8790]

5. I like just sayin' it too.

Hopefully in January we'll be able to do it a lot more.

[WillyT]

6. I'm In !!!

:toast:

[FrenchieCat]

7. That's like just rolling off my lips!

[scrucon]

152. Now you're confusing your tongue for words.

Your tongue is hanging out. Barack's a hottie, no doubt. But roll it back and put it in your mouth and don't confuse it with the reality of President Barack Obama.

Actually, try this on for size. President Hillary Rodham Clinton. It is long overdue.

[mmonk]

8. I like what you're "sayin' ".

[LWolf]

9. Just respondin':

:puke:

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

12. So you would prefer President McCain?

Is Obama so repulsive to you?

[LWolf]

22. Good question.

No, I would not prefer President McCain. Or President Clinton.

They are all three equally repulsive to me, for various reasons.

[Warren DeMontague]

64. "They are all three equally repulsive" Perhaps msr. would like to try the egotistical fucktard?

We've had him on the menu for 8 years; he's not as popular as he used to be, but he still tastes the same- like shit.

[LWolf]

67. I've never yet been tempted.

I can't say he's on my radar even now. Would you like me to consider him?

[Warren DeMontague]

69. No, but the word "equally" in your post caught my attention.

See, neither Obama or Clinton were my first choice- I wanted Al Gore to run, then I supported Chris Dodd. I also like Dennis Kucinch, by the way.

But I understand that there IS a difference- a grand Canyon's worth- between letting our party pick the replacement for Justice Stevens and letting the Flat Earth GOP Goobers stick another Scalia or Thomas or Roberts or Alito on the court. I don't want my daughter growing up in that country from "The Handmaid's Tale".

So while I may not agree with Sens. Clinton or Obama on everything, I may wish that one or both of them were braver or more progressive or more out front on various issues, there is NO WAY IN HELL I would argue that they are "equally bad" as four more years or Republican rule of the Executive Branch of our Federal Government.

That's ridiculous.

[LWolf]

73. I'm not arguing.

My reasons for stating that they are equally bad are just as valid as your reasons to prefer one over the other.

I understand and respect your pov; I don't have to agree with it, or argue with it, to do so.

My bottom line remains the same:

I have not endured the last 8 years to pretend that electing a centrist/corporatist/3rd way/"new" democrat to the white house is somehow a "win." It's not.

It's still a loss, and I'm honest enough to acknowledge that.

You are talking about degrees of loss, and I'm talking about loss vs win.

[Duncan]

118. you said "equally repulsive"

Neither Dem is a Kucinich, but calling them equally as repulsive as McCain is flat wrong. Just like Nader was flat wrong saying Gore was equal to Bush in 2000. Why say something like that? Are you just trying to piss-off people on DU?

edited to prevent being deleted.

[LWolf]

208. "Wrong"

is subjective, depending on individual povs.

I find them equally repulsive. That's reality for me, and it's not "wrong." You can disagree all you like; I don't have a problem with you having a different point of view.

Let's try to keep the conversation honest, though.

From my perspective, they are equally repulsive. I have valid reasons for that pov, and I stand by it. You disagree; that's fine.

You think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong. I'm not likely to change my mind because you disagree, and I'm not asking you to change yours.

Edited to add:

No, I'm not trying to "piss people off at DU." I haven't been at DU the last 5+ years just to "piss people off." I also don't come here to participate in circle-jerks. I believe that dissent is essential to a healthy group, no matter what kind of group it is. If that pisses you, or anyone else, off, so be it.

Weak-minded people, or people with indefensible positions, get pissed off at dissent. When the position is strong, there's no thinking reason to fear dissent.

There is no way in hell I'm going to pretend that something is good, when it isn't, to meet anyone's demands for groupthink.

I think it's healthier for the group to regularly examine all povs, including their own.

[donheld]

181. Some thought there'd be no difference between Gore and Bush

8 Years later we all painfully know the difference. Are you willing to let it happen again?

[LWolf]

209. I'm not one of those.

I cast an enthusiastic vote for Gore in 2000 despite Lieberman.

"Are you going to let it happen again?"

I'm not "letting" anything happen. I'll vote my conscience, as I always do.

I believe that the party, and voters, have allowed the party to be put into a no-win situation in November. Every person who helped force the nomination of a candidate who will give us, should that candidate win, 4-8 years of further corporatism is furthering the fracturing of the Democratic Party.

The blame game is not a one-way street. I don't have much interest in it, but if you want to play that game, prepare to be accountable for your own half of the problem.

[DutchLiberal]

200. You're deluding yourself by saying there's "a grand Canyon's worth" of a difference...

The differences are very, very small. To a great extent the parties are the same.

[Warren DeMontague]

201. In some ways yes, in some ways no.

There is a great deal of difference between, for instance, Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Antonin Scalia. We have 9 people on the SCOTUS--- and we're stuck with them for the rest of their natural life, or until they retire.

It is a big deal, and no, I'm not deluding myself. That doesn't mean the Democratic Party is exactly where I want it to be on every issue. But on some very crucial ones, they are massively better than the alternative.

[Name removed]

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[LWolf]

21. How terrible

to wait 8 long years to have a Democrat in the WH, and end up with a centrist/corporatist/3rd way/"new" democrat.

Talk about the ultimate in futility.

[WilliamPitt]

23. As opposed to...?

[LWolf]

32. I think you know the answer to that.

There is no longer any choice that is not repulsive.

Barring the highly unlikely scenario of a brokered convention that sends the current two back to the senate and produces a somewhat better candidate, of course. I'm not holding my breath, but if it should happen, I will certainly be there to cheer the process on.

Being left, before I even get to cast a primary vote, with no acceptable choice does not mean that I'm going to deny the truth.

The truth is that there is no candidate left that I can vote for without hurling.

[dbmk]

79. But given the choice?

Would you then be equally tempted to pick McCain or Obama/Clinton?

[LWolf]

96. Here's what I AM doing, and what I am TEMPTED to do:

I AM holding out for the chance of a brokered convention; as long as neither has the required number of delegates, I have a chance. The best outcome is a Democratic nominee that I can vote for without the barf bag. With some sense of purpose.

Should that not happen, I will revisit my options; but not until the convention is over. At that time, if Obama or Clinton is the Democratic nominee, I'm TEMPTED to vote for Cynthia McKinney, or to write in a better Democrat.

Will temptation win out? Only time will tell, and I won't consider my options seriously until forced to, after the convention.

[ekwhite]

128. It's your vote, do with it as you wish

You seem to have posted on this thread just to insult people and stir up controversy. Have fun with it. I didn't like the 'holier than thou' crowd in the '60s, I don't like them now. Many of the people who were dissing me back then because I didn't like Mao are neocons now.

I have been forced to vote for centrist corporatist shills for as long as I can remember. I'm sorry Kucinich didn't make it further - he is a good man and would make a good president, but he is out of the race. Obama is the rare candidate I feel good about voting for. Here are my reasons:

1. Yes, he is a politician, but he comes from a background of community organizing.

2. He is centrist, but less of a corporatist than Clinton. His populism is real, as opposed to the faux populism of Clinton.

3. He is willing to work with Republicans to get things done. This gives us a chance to forge a new Democratic coalition that has a real chance to forge a new brand of politics for the 21st century.

4. He doesn't talk down to the American people. The speech he made in Philadelphia on race was talking adult to adult.

5. He seems to be a thoughtful politician, as opposed to a calculating one.

6. He seems to be capable of listening and learning, meaning that he can grow in office.

7. A President Obama may be able to start a dialogue about race and class that no other candidate in my lifetime could.

If you can't stand any of the Democratic candidates, Cynthia McKinney is a good choice, if you live in a state like California, New York, or Massachusetts that will never go Republican. If you are in a swing state, however, think it over long and hard. Would you rather have McCain in office?

[LWolf]

212. Let's be clear:

It is not "insulting" people to express one's opinion. People who are insulted by differing opinions might want to take a look at the foundation their opinion is built on, and see if it is sturdy enough to stand up to opposing povs.

My opinion about Obama has absolutely nothing to do with DK. Yes, DK is better on every single issue, and has the integrity to walk his talk, unlike Obama, but that's beside the point. DK is no longer running for president.

I disagree with many of your points:

<snips>

2. He is centrist, but less of a corporatist than Clinton. His populism is real, as opposed to the faux populism of Clinton.

He keeps private insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies involved in health care. Health care is a crisis in the U.S. because of those Obama wishes to include. When the lives of people are in the balance, he's compromising with the source of our health care ills.

3. He is willing to work with Republicans to get things done. This gives us a chance to forge a new Democratic coalition that has a real chance to forge a new brand of politics for the 21st century.

It's true; he's willing to work with Republicans. He's not willing to work with the liberal left. He considers our work in the 60s and 70s "excesses" and admires the way Reagan "put us on a new trajectory."

7. A President Obama may be able to start a dialogue about race and class that no other candidate in my lifetime could.

The dialogue about race that I've heard so far has not exactly been uplifting.

As for the rest, I see no evidence for 5 and 6. I'll give you #1.

As for the "not talking down to the American People," I have a different take. Coming from my background, when I hear someone speaking from the pulpit, I'm being "talked down to." When someone is trying to push my emotional buttons, that's "talking down to me." Assuming that, as long as I am "inspired," I don't have to do any critical thinking. That's what I hear when Obama speaks; a preacher speaking to the congregation.

It's my vote, I will do with it as my conscience dictates.

I trust my conscience more than I trust any politician, or any other people, for that matter.

[bobbolink]

254. If you think people being honest is "dissing" you, then may I suggest you not take things so

personally?

I really don't understand what you are so upset about.

Four years ago, many of us here were very clear that it was the last time we were biting that particular bullet.

MANY USians are saying the same thing.

Maybe, if some of you actually HEARD what many of us are saying, and respected our views, and took it seriously, then MAYBE there would be an inclination to change things.

Now, I'm guessing you can't wait to really "diss" me... so, have the last word, rather than hearing other progressives.

[donheld]

182. If we have a brokered convention you'd better know

We WILL have a corporate democrat running for president. The majority of democratic party leaders are corporate. If you, and others, continue on as you say be prepared for a very right wing, very corporate, supreme court. I hope you're happy with that.

[LWolf]

210. If we DON'T have a brokered convention

we will have a corporate candidate running.

At least with a brokered convention, we can get a candidate that has not already been pre-eviscerated for the republican machine.

Hopefully, we can get a candidate who is not as destructively divisive as either of the current two; a candidate who will at least not bring faith-based politics to the Democratic Party.

[peace frog]

81. Here's a barf bag

Party on, DU! President Barack H. Obama it is!

[LWolf]

97. Here's some frog armor for you,

since the Obama hawk is not likely to provide a peaceful environment for peace frogs.

[peace frog]

121. Lovely graphic

and your concern is thoughtful, but my peacefulness is unthreatened at the prospect of an Obama presidency.

PARTY ON, DU!!!

[otohara]

62. Wait & See ? ?

perhaps?

Obama talks about corporations - bailouts from the Feds, but no help to those losing homes, too few taxes, penalize if they ship jobs overseas.

I think he may surprise us.

At any rate, I'm holding out on criticism until he's been in for at least 1 year I've been so angry these 8 years, I need a break from bitching about "the president" (gawd, just typing those words and applying them to Bush makes me ill) A President Obama will be a welcome change in our house.

I was a Kucinich delegate in 04!:loveya: Dennis

[Solon]

75. A year? I think I'll last three days after inarguration...

whether its Clinton or Obama in the White House, either one of them are going to start doing stupid shit on day one. Considering the centrist nature of both candidates, that's inevitable.

[otohara]

77. Indian Leaders To Cleanse The White House

get the bad spirits of Bush Inc. out ASAP.

[Solon]

86. The fact is that getting a Democrat in the White House is only a first step...

Its not the end of something, but the beginning of the real struggle for reform. Let's be honest here, neither Hillary nor Barack are actual reformers, least of all in the direction we want, the biggest reason to vote for either of them in the General Election is because they are less likely to veto reform bills that originate in Congress. Either of them are going to have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to the left side of the aisle.

[LWolf]

103. This is the best talking point

you could use to drag unwilling lefty liberals like myself to the voting booth with a barf bag.

Public acknowledgment of the reality, along with a constructive reason to accept it.

[Solon]

172. Not to mention a constructive thing to do AFTER the election...

Politics is a process, and despite what people think, electing the "right" people is only a small part of that. Most politicians are sniveling cowards, that's just a fact, and they need to be pushed in the right, or should I say left, direction. We aren't electing leaders here, but people that SHOULD be our followers. To look to politicians to be the ones to stick their necks out without being pressured to do so from us is a foolhardy.

[LWolf]

214. We need someone who can be pressured.

Some reps respond to corporate pressure, or pressure from somewhere else, without responding to pressure from the people.

Pelosi, for instance.

Who is more likely to respond to pressure from voters? That's a good question to explore.

[LiberalAndProud]

183. One might argue that we have to move to the center

to get to the left. The pendulum has been suspended so far to the right for so long, any move in the other direction will be a welcome breeze. It really pisses me off when either one of our candidates are described as "liberal", but I really can't fathom another 4 years of the other party. I just can't. It's crazy making.

[LWolf]

213. You make a good point.

Is it asking too much, then, for honesty? For Democrats to stop calling either one of them "liberal" and call them what they are?

To say, just as you've done, that we'll have to reach center before we can move left?

[bobbolink]

225. "to the voting booth with a barf bag"

I really like your phrasing...

Couldna sed it better...

:applause:

[LWolf]

234. That's the way it's shaped up this time, isn't it?

It sure won't be with a smile on my face or with hope in my heart.

I don't know what is different about me, that I can't pretend, but there you have it.

[bobbolink]

238. We've been through it too many times. Abuse victims get to the point of

cynicism and lack of trust.

"I don't know what is different about me, that I can't pretend, but there you have it."

Maybe you've decided that your country has priority over your party???

[LWolf]

257. I've always thought that way.

The whole point of the party is to move the issues that make life better for people. For ALL of us. There's no point to the partisan game, otherwise.

[bobbolink]

259. I thought that too. Came of age in the late 60's. I bought that stuff, as the party was disintegra

disintegrating, that it was better than the alternative.

Least of the weavils.

I'm done with that.

Been used and abused waaaaay too much.

[guyanakoolaid]

115. Get a clue

Obama has talked about specific methods of opening up government, including C-Span televised meetings of important things like energy policy, as well as more accountability for every dollar coming in and out of government, as well as lobbyist reforms.

[ekwhite]

131. Agreed

None of the candidates is going to do what this country needs without pressure from their base. Obama is more likely to listen to us - Clinton has already demonstrated who she listens to. They are not all the same. Obama is not perfect, but he is head and shoulders above the other two.

[John Q. Citizen]

186. Obama, because of the nature of his campaign, will be more amenable to the grass roots.

It doesn't mean we can get whatever we want, but it does mean we might at least get an honest hearing or more. I don't see how Obama can ignore that part of his base.

The truth is every elected politician needs to be held accountable by their voters, and Obama and Hillary are the same in that respect. The difference is that Obama has held out accountability specifically to his voters. He has said I (Obama) need to be held accountable and you need to be held accountable for moving things in a new direction.

The left might get lucky with Obama or he won't be any worse than Hillary would be. He will have longer coat-tails. That's how I see it.

[bobbolink]

240. It'll be interesting to see....

.........what happens to all the hopeful ones when hope is dashed yet again.

[John Q. Citizen]

252. It would seem really politically stupid. Obama should want to achieve some things just

from a political perspective.

I'm sure the Repos will be attempting to dash hope, but an awful lot of Repos are retiring this year.That's a hopeful sign.

[ekwhite]

130. Indian leaders hell - you're going to need the ghostbusters for that one N/T

[tomp]

148. wow, kucinich and elvis costello! you have great taste. nt

[WilliamPitt]

175. "I was a Kucinich delegate in 04!"

One of these days I'll be able to tell you the story of just how badly you got screwed on that deal.

Politicians are not the answer. They're tools...literally and figuratively.

[LiberalAndProud]

185. "Curiouser and curiouser"

Soon I hope.

[WilliamPitt]

187. Don't hold your breath.

Sorry. Trying to make a point about how all of them are twisted, underhanded ego-freaks. If you've heard of them, like as not they're miserable examples of American humanity.

Nobody running for office in '08 can or will fix anything.

The proper party winning represents a tiny, tiny beginning of a possible future. That's all.

10 elections from now, maybe I'll be able to change my tune.

In the meantime, trust nobody you see on cable news, and vote (D) on principle.

I'll tell this story once it can't possibly matter who hears it.

[bobbolink]

95. .

:hi:

[LWolf]

101. .

Hi right back at ya.

Hope you're doing okay these days.

:hi:

[DutchLiberal]

199. I agree Kucinich would be a much better president, but won't you prefer him over HRC?

[LWolf]

207. Two different things.

While I always have been a staunch supporter of DK, I didn't put that avatar up until he dropped out; mostly to say "fuck you" to the powers that be that flooded outside money to an outside primary opponent in an attempt to unseat him; punishment for introducing articles of impeachment.

It's not there because I'm somehow still hoping he'll be the nominee, lol.

Would I prefer Obama to Hillary? NO. There are plenty of negatives with both, and Obama doesn't offer the kind of change I'm looking for. He actually offers change I oppose, divorcing himself from the left while he embraces the right and faith-based politics.

They are equally bad.

[bobbolink]

239. You're so correct, and it's why I"m writing in Edwards.

Otherwise, it really doesn't matter.

same/same

[elizm]

10. Sends chills! It MUST be! :)

[Rubiconski2009]

11. The indisputable truth....

Barack Obama is going to be the 44th POTUS.

:bounce: :bounce: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :applause: :yourock: :patriot: :hi:

[DemVet]

13. Hail to the Chief!

[BearSquirrel2]

129. That's guts ..

I feel silly everytime they want me to put my hand over my heart. I'll sing, but I don't pledge my allegiance to any flag.

I pledge my allegiance to the constitution. The flag is very pretty, but it's not the covenant of our society. One is not patriotic simply by adorning themselves with it.

[ekwhite]

132. That was a picture taken during the national anthem

You don't have to put your hand over your heart for that, just stand. I refuse to take the Pledge of Allegiance - and have since the Vietnam era.

[JI7]

138. Obama looks the most respectful and comfortable in the pic

like he is really taking in that moment what it's about. the others look kind of weird and uncomfortable.

[mopinko]

14. it's achieving unstoppable force status.

just don't see how it could fail. i do live in my blue little world, and a lot of the last 8 years (hell, the last 28 years) really just baffles me.
but this is just a real movement. wearing a john kerry pin, or a howard dean pin for that matter, around never came close to the experience of walking through life wearing that magic o.

[unblock]

not above playing to the cheap seats, i see!

just sayin'.

:hi:

[WilliamPitt]

17. Fish, Barrel.

Boom.

;)

[TexanDem]

16. lndeed!! A phrase we will be proud to say!! Looks good!! :)

[H2O Man]

18. Words have power,

and those two -- "President Obama" -- seem particularly strong.

[DemGa]

19. Senator Barack H. Obama.

Also just sayin'.

[SammyWinstonJack]

113. ...

:evilgrin: :thumbsup:

[ekwhite]

134. Ooooh - he has a Muslim middle name

How Scary :sarcasm:

[IowaGirl]

258. My question is, so if he does get elected, are we going to not be able to say his middle name? It

seems kinda weird when people are used to saying all three names on so many formal occasions for the president. :eyes:

[Barking Spider]

247. That's soooooo 2007. n/t

[undeterred]

20. Obama girl here.

:loveya:

[Catherina]

24. Say it again and again!

[SwampG8r]

31. damn

my man looks good in that hat
no denying it
he needs to wear it on western campaign swings after he wins the nomination

[Catherina]

37. He sho does!

He looks just as good in the Carribean!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA9i5qFfmSM

[CountAllVotes]

39. yep! SEXY Obama!!

:D :D :D :D :D :woohoo:

:kick:

[1776Forever]

84. They used to say that about JFK too - back in the day:']

The Next JFK?

Ted Sorenson, President John F. Kennedy’s speech writer and one of his closest aides, has declared Obama is the true heir to JFK’s legacy and said this:


Perhaps most tellingly, both preached (and personified) the politics of hope in contrast to the politics of fear, which characterized Republican speeches during their respective eras. In 1960 and earlier, cynics and pessimists accepted the ultimate inevitability of nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union, much as today they assume a fruitless and unending war against terrorism. Hope trumped fear in 1960, and I have no doubt that it will again in 2008.

Although President Kennedy became the breakthrough president on civil rights, health care, and other liberal issues, he was not the most liberal candidate for the nomination in 1960. His emphasis on the importance of ethics, moral courage, and a multilateral foreign policy made him–like Obama–hard to pigeonhole with a single ideological label. His insistence that the United States “must do better” in every sphere of activity, including its cold war competition with the Soviet Union, caused some historians to mistakenly recall that he “ran to the right” of Richard Nixon on national security issues, forgetting his emphasis on negotiations and peaceful solutions.

JFK’s establishment opponents– probably not unlike Obama’s–did not understand Kennedy’s appeal. “Find out his secret,” LBJ instructed one of his aides sent to spy on the Kennedy camp, “his strategy, his weaknesses, his comings and goings.” Ultimately, Kennedy was both nominated and elected, not by secretly outspending or out-gimmicking his opponents but by outworking and out-thinking them, especially by attracting young volunteers and first-time voters. Most of Kennedy’s opponents, like Obama’s, were fellow senators–Johnson, Humphrey, and Symington–who initially dismissed him as neither a powerhouse on the Senate floor nor a member of their inner circle. That mattered not to the voters; nor does it today.

Above all, after eight years out of power and two bitter defeats, Democrats in 1960, like today, wanted a winner–and Kennedy, despite his supposed handicaps, was a winner. On civil rights, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the race to the moon, and other issues, President Kennedy succeeded by demonstrating the same courage, imagination, compassion, judgment, and ability to lead and unite a troubled country that he had shown during his presidential campaign. I believe Obama will do the same.

What seemed to me more newsworthy about the Telegraph article than the headline, and the bulk of the article which made this point:

The Kennedy legacy and the aura of Camelot have been powerful but largely unspoken themes underpinning the campaign of Mr Obama, another charismatic Harvard alumnus heralding a new era in politics.

[bobbolink]

260. yes, that's all that counts.

:crazy:

[uberllama42]

56. Wouldn't that be the kind of vapid political pandering we despise in W?

Maybe I shouldn't speak for anyone else, but I have always complained about the cowboy myth broadcast by that rich boy from Connecticut. I really wouldn't be comfortable with Obama wearing a cowboy hat just because he happens to be in a state where people favor that kind of thing. I try not to apply double standards.

[SwampG8r]

159. well

he still looks super good in it

[uberllama42]

226. That's beside the point

I'm not arguing that it looks dumb. I like Obama but I wish he was running his campaign in a way that less resembles a personality cult. He should be able to run on ideas rather than appearances.

[RichardRay]

25. I say that to myself with a sense of disbelief...

that it's even a possibility, let along increasingly a likelihood.

I am prepared for either a President Hillary R. Clinton, or a President Barack H. Obama, and to be happy and grateful for either. I am prepared for political reality to hit like a freight train and for either to fail to live up to election year promises. I think either would continue to work for the values that drove those election year promises.

BUT, the impact on this country and our place in the world of the simple fact of Barack Obama becoming President of the United States of America would be pretty amazing, and the contrast to the Current Resident would boggle the mind.

[Emit]

26. It has a nice ring to it

yup.

[CitizenLeft]

27. just saw the View interview...

...President Obama indeed. :patriot:

:applause:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

28. About 300 days away.

240 days 'til President-elect Obama.

[DearAbby]

29. Floats my boat

Trips my hammer
Rings my bell... :D

[K Gardner]

30. Hail to the Chief !

[Stephanie]

33. I can't wait!

I will be in DC with you this time, Will. It's going to be a great, great day!

[senseandsensibility]

34. Have you endorsed him?

Sorry if I missed something. I ask because I seem to find myself in a curiously similar position, that is posting pro-Obama threads and gentle jibes at Hillary, but not actually declaring my support for him. I'm finding it difficult to let go of my Edwards support by actually saying it flat out. Not that anyone cares, in my case. But if you do support Obama, now is the time to say so.

[WilliamPitt]

44. I voted for him in the MA primary

and consider him to be a better match against McCain than Senator Clinton, specifically because of the war issue.

If Clinton does win the nomination, however, I will bust my ass for her campaign and vote for her without reservation in November.

[Frisbee]

85. Your attitude...

Is what we need more of here. Whether someone currently supports Obama or Clinton, in the end, all that really matters is getting a democrat into the White House. And yes, I do have very strong feelings regarding one candidate over the other, but I have even stronger feeling regarding either over McCain.

[WilliamPitt]

94. Democratic Senate majority. Democratic House majority. Democratic presidential administration.

As many as three Supreme Court Justices could step down before '12.

Get our Senate majority to 60 after the '10 midterms and thwart the GOP's permanent filibuster.

Big time. They call something like that a "realignment."

Picture it.

Compared to that, inter-party primary squabbling is about as important as a wad of used fishwrap. Stinks as bad, too, but fuck it. This is 1860, 1932, 1960, 1980 stuff. Big oars into new water, if we can get it done.

Nothing nothing nothing else matters nearly as much.

[Swamp Rat]

153. "Nothing nothing nothing else matters nearly as much."

Yep! :thumbsup:

[Kool Kitty]

179. Hear, hear.

My sentiments exactly.

[Bake]

35. It won't happen. Just sayin'.

Say hello to Pres. John McCain.

Bake

[Birthmark]

36. Premature Inauguration?

Consult your physician. :)

[Seabiscuit]

51. In this case,

why not just call a spade a spade?

It's premature ejaculation, pure and simple.

[FrenchieCat]

55. You must like pastorbating then.......

that was the last big "hope" of the Clinton campaign, afterall.

[Orsino]

38. Tryin' it out.

Neat.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. That sounds nice

if we say it loud enough will it come true?

[Tellurian]

41. Don't WISH Us Bad Luck, Will..

What will be the deciding factor is the baggage Obama is carrying

into the campaign IF he is the nominee.

It wouldn't be too much of a factor if we could defend him, we can't.

At least, I can't defend 20 yrs of Rev Wright's hate mongering and Obama exposing his children to same.

Obama's campaign themes are "HOPE, CHANGE and JUDGMENT"

Hillary isn't running for President based off of nothing more than Hope, Change, and Judgment.

"Hope" and "Change" aren't able to be scrutinized, but "Judgment" can be evaluated.

Obama fails badly in the "Judgment" dept.

I am not about to suffer yet another disappointed when Obama gets throttled by McCain.

[Heathen57]

92. I hate to say it but the "Judgment" of

Sen. Clinton is a huge problem for me and has been since before she declared her candidacy.

Her votes that have gone in lockstep with the current administration, her ridiculing of fellow Democrats, her and Bill praising McLame, are all judgments that I find questionable.

We NEED hope that things can be turned around and we can get this country back to where it should be. Since it can't be done all at once, I am more than willing for a President that will get us going in the right direction.

Unfortunately, after examining Clinton's record and her behavior, she has no intention of moving us forward.

[AllentownJake]

99. Your lips are moving

but I can't here what your saying but I'm under heavy sniper fire.

Actually I'm drinking a beer after a hard day of canvasing in PA but it's the same thing right?

[40ozDonkey]

114. Thanks for hittin' the streets.

Thanks for all that you do. :thumbsup:

[ekwhite]

135. I would vote for Rev. Wright too, if he were running.

Quit pushing the Rev. Wright is a demonic racist crap. You know it isn't true. When Joseph Lowery calls Clinton on that crap, she is busted. Of course, Clinton has the JUDGEMENT to tell Baron von Munchausen tales about her trip to Bosnia, and pad her resume in Ireland. I am tired of the lies. Can't you go back on strike?

[Kool Kitty]

180. Mrs. Clinton has some baggage of her own, also.

It cuts both ways.

[City Lights]

42. Sounds great to me!

:toast:

[Forkboy]

43. Flamebait.

:evilgrin:

[Kahuna]

59. ...

:popcorn:

[David Zephyr]

45. With great economy of words, Mr. Pitt drives it home.

I can't wait for inauguration day when we all begin saying "President Barack H. Obama" and how wonderful that will be for our country.

President Obama. Hotdiggitydogziggity, that sounds terrific!

K&R

[helderheid]

46. Just recommendin'

[phrigndumass]

47. First Lady Michelle Obama

Just as good.

:thumbsup:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

48. Madame Prseident Clinton

just saying

[DerekJ]

104. 1000000% better than President McCain.

But for now, I will take President Obama. :p

[ElsewheresDaughter]

124. ~*~

:pals: :patriot:

[ekwhite]

137. Just misspelling N/T

[backscatter712]

49. I like the sound of that!

[me b zola]

50. President Barack H. Obama!

Sounds like a winner...and just what the doctor ordered!

President Barack Obama! :toast:

[Seabiscuit]

52. Good Morning God Damn America!

Putney Swope in the Oval Office?

[FrenchieCat]

57. Identifying you as a thread pisser........

[RC]

58. With Obama in the Presidential Office we can start getting rid* of the God Damn parts

of America and start rebuilding a Nation we can be proud of again.

*Bringing charges and holding trials and putting in prison the criminals currently in positions of power.

[Patchuli]

147. That's low and completely unnecessary

Ya watch Faux a lot then? It'll rot your brain, you don't look out.

[Hugabear]

256. Back from your little vacation, and still obsessed, I see

n/t

[EFerrari]

54. "I can imagine a LOT."

lol

:)

[apocalypsehow]

60. I like it. K & R.

:thumbsup:

[stillcool]

61. nice ring to it!

[babylonsister]

63. I'm beyond thrilled at the prospect! nt

[Warren DeMontague]

65. K&R.

:kick:

[AZBlue]

66. I can NOT wait!!!!!

:bounce:

[Jawja]

68. I've been whispering

"President Barack Obama" to myself, too. Sounds great. :headbang:

[VotesForWomen]

70. heh. never. gonna. happen. just sayin'. nt

[Ravy]

71. Wonder how quickly DU will turn against him if he is elected.

When they figure out he wants 90k+ more military, will pre-emptively strike Pakistan on a bin Laden sighting, and adjusts his Iraq withdrawal plan because he doesn't want to base his strategy on some rhetoric he used to win the presidency.

His supporters believed him when he said he was running to be their Senator and would not run for the presidency.

Just today, one of his most ardent supporters requested a link to where he ever said he was going to increase the military. People like his speeches, his policies seem to be going unnoticed. What will DU do when he starts including the republicans in the decision making? when reality sets in?

I am curious to see how much slack a President Obama gets vs. the candidate Obama.

[WilliamPitt]

82. Within the first 100 days.

And rightly so.

The whole point behind getting Kerry elected in '04, besides getting Bush out, was so we could beat the shit out of him and pressure him. Same requirements apply for an Obama administration. We'll need to kick him in the pants a whole bunch of times, bank it.

[knixphan]

88. Can't wait to kick him into national single-payer healthcare

But he's the guy to kick!

GOBAMA!

[ekwhite]

139. The key is that he IS kickable

Clinton has already demonstrated her Nixonian stubbornness and secrecy. She will ignore any protests from the left wing of the party. With Obama, we have the chance to affect his policies.

[babylonsister]

125. And what was the result of that question? The troop increase is to

give a break to the troops currently being overworked who have been stop-lossed too many times. It's not, as most anti-Obama supporters try to indicate, to continue this illegal occupation. I notice you left that fun little fact out as did everyone else everytime I asked.

[AntiFascist]

145. Does he want to really defeat al Qaeda and its support system...

or does he want to continue using it as a hopeless means for sweeping regime change across the Middle East? There is a difference.

[MethuenProgressive]

261. As fast as Mass. soured on Axlerod's Deval Patrick.

Same product, same speeches... same result? Elected and failed to lead?

[loyalsister]

72. It does have a nice ring

:thumbsup:

[BumRushDaShow]

74. A hearty K&R!

:kick:

[L. Coyote]

76. President John Wane, President McBush, McSame. No comparison!

I think you found the winner!

[jgraz]

78. The day he wins the election, he should start going by B. Hussein Obama.

Just to make the Repigs' heads explode completely.

[WilliamPitt]

83. Or change his name to Muhammad Ali

and grow a Malcolm X goatee.

And knock out George Foreman in Africa.

:)

[juno jones]

91. LOL!

:rofl:

K&R!

[ourbluenation]

233. WHATS MY NAME, FOOL?

[BklynChick]

80. yes we can.

[knixphan]

87. So say we all!

[boston bean]

89. was that really worth 87 posts and counting? What happened to let it sink?? lol. nt

[mhoran]

90. Get used to it...

...gonna be hearing it for at least the next four years.

[treestar]

93. I knew you'd be where I was, Will!

GMTA.

[scratchy]

98. never gonna happen in the US of Amerikkka

[TBF]

100. It will happen -

after all, smart people vote too. President Obama - music to my ears.

[Raine]

102. Sounds GREAT

I LOVE it! :thumbsup:

[politicasista]

105. K&R

Good music to my ears! :kick:

[marlakay]

106. Can't wait.

My mom emailed me after the View yesterday and said I could just listen to him all day.

I wrote her back and said can you imagine having a president where you actually enjoy listening to their speeches?

[Patriot Abroad]

107. President Hillary Rodham Clinton

:hide:

[ekwhite]

140. Better than President John McCain N/T

:hug:

[Crewleader]

144. Yes, President Hillary Rodham Clinton!

:applause:

[GOPBasher]

108. That would sound nice. n/t

[silverweb]

109. Sounds wonderful to me!

Makes me want to dance and sing!


GObama! GObama!

[bagimin]

110. Many months ago when there were about 20

candidates Jonathan Alter wrote that just one could possibly win in a landslide.
I think that slight possibility still exists.

[ThatsMyBarack]

111. And now, from the White House, President Barack Obama:

"My Fellow Americans...."

I keep hearing it in Obama's voice! :patriot: :loveya:

[IDemo]

112. Air Force The One

[Olney Blue]

116. Sounds wonderful to me!

[helderheid]

117. Mosaic

[helderheid]

143. nothing?

[marions ghost]

119. Can we even imagine

not hating the President? After 8 years of total hell...hating him and everything he stands for...being used & abused, lied to, disenfranchised, exploited, silenced....

I think there will be such relief and such a collective wish to turn this country around that President Obama will be riding the crest of a very big wave.

[ekwhite]

120. Sounds mighty good to me. N/T

[DesertFlower]

122. i like it. nt

[locker13]

123. yep

http://presidentobama2008.blogspot.com/

[ClayZ]

126. I have HOPE!

K and R

[lonestarnot]

133. Commander in Chief Obama!

[Blue Diadem]

136. Has a nice sound to it doesn't it?

Just saying it brings a smile to my face.

[byronius]

141. Love It.

[Crewleader]

142. just responding

:puke:

[WilliamPitt]

174. CREW!

This is what someone might call a "comes-around" moment. The very first time you and I exchanged posts on DU (May 21, 2001, for the record), I totally dogged Gore with a bunch of incoherent ill-formed slanders...and you were the soul of wisdom and welcome and restraint, said "Welcome to DU," and went on to educate me with about nine sentences.

Crew, your opinion is gold/frankenscence/mhyrr to me, even in disagreement. Whomever wins, let's make sure we win. I back Obama, and have my reasons, and that's fine. If Senator Clinton wins, same difference, she has my vote and support, so let's:

1. Expand our majority in the Senate;

2. Expand our majority in the House;

3. Replace the (probable) three SCOTUS Justices looking to retire within the next four years with appointments that are anti-Scalia Constitutional penicillin;

4. Realign the country, and begin to begin to begin to start healing this nation/world/idea.

5. Lather-rinse-repeat for the next 10 election cycles at least...and bring a helmet.

Either candidate will do. Down with McCain, let us wash away everything with the taint of (bush)Cheney, and try to stand again as a leader of nations. Not because we can kill with such efficiency, not because we frighten the world, but because we have the ability to lead by example when we are at our best, to lead by moral example without gunpowder or lead or violence, but by living up to the dream we started with by kneeling to the rule of law, for starters.

Either candidate will amount to the same thing, will lead mostly the same way, will try to deploy generally the same policy ideas. Either - black man, white woman - will be a triumph over history should they secure a November victory, and neither is even close to being some kind of cure-all.

Either one will make history in victory, and could maybe save history, too.

I'm for Obama, for several good reasons I won't bother with, ones you've surely heard before.

But since Crewleader's word is LAW, no matter what happens, I'm with Florida's biggest NASA fan.

To the knife.

As ever.

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

***SO*** good to see you. I hope all is well, warm, happy and safe.

Politics?

Bah. It's for crazy people.

:)

:hug: :hug: :hug:

The President must be a Democrat in January 2009. All else is folly.

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: a little more. :)

[Kaleko]

194. Okay - wow! That is walking the talk. Hats off to you, W.P.,

you just demonstrated what Obama stands for with that post.

Inspiring, instead of preaching, admonishing, talking down to.

I'm impressed.

[WilliamPitt]

202. Crewleader is the best DUer that is, was, or ever will be.

She's the best this place has to offer.

[Forkboy]

229. HEYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

I hope you're doing awesome, awesome, awesome!!!!!


:hug:

:loveya:

[workinclasszero]

146. That sounds really good to me!

GOBAMA!!:applause:

[Janet Carter]

150. AMEN !

I got a Slinky for my birthday last week so got a big kick out of seeing this pic of my next President playing with one. I LOVE PRESIDENT OBAMA !!!!

[sonias]

154. I'll vote for change!

I've actually already voted but I'll continue to vote for change.

Sonia

[BlooInBloo]

155. I can live with that. Of course, I can also live with President Hilary R. Clinton as well...

... either way (tho I do favor the former), and I call it a win.

[Mooney]

162. Works for me.

[Zhade]

163. Pretty much.

NT!

[bridgit]

176. 100 rec's? just wonder'n...

:rofl:

[WilliamPitt]

188. 102, thankya very much.

:)

[bridgit]

190. Like shoot'n fish in a barrel...

;)

[WilliamPitt]

191. See post #17

:P

[bridgit]

193. There's a post #17!? I suppose I have to go look at it...

:P :P

[Lochloosa]

204. 107

Just saying

[John Q. Citizen]

177. Looks that way to me also. President Obama.

[Norrin Radd]

192. kr

[mythyc]

196. In case you missed it

thought you'd like my reply (#135) in your thread today

=) that mole was pissing me off

[penndragon69]

203. Death to all Repugnican trolls!

Hillarry Billarry.....just another Libercrat willing to lick the boots of the right wing fascists.

Billarry is an egomaniac and is the absolute worst option for the Democratic ticket. She follows the lead of the republicans and practices the slime ball tactics of the K-Rove gang.

[Willo]

205. Works for me!

Yep, works me just fine :thumbsup:

[greiner3]

206. Good people of DU;

And how much bandwidth would it have saved if our side hadn't insisted on an intellectual debate with a troll? My mind staggers at the amount! For those not reading all of t he above; Screw the cons, or something like that.

[jcla]

215. K & R

Love hearin'. Thanks WP! Fun Thread!

[mirrera]

216. Your voice to god's ear as my Nonna used to say...n/t

[Kurovski]

217. Sure. Why not?

:-) K&R.

[Major Hogwash]

218. President Obama sounds pretty damn presidential, don't ya think?

Let them get used to the idea for awhile.

[ClintonTyree]

219. The great Will Pitt has spoken.....

:eyes:

OK, Will. :rofl: Let's see.....you were a John Kerry man in 2004, correct? And according to you he was going to be "President John Kerry". Let's just say your track record at picking winners is less than stellar.

The fawning adulation you receive at DU amazes me, Will. You could post a recipe for dog shit soup and get over 200 recs from your adoring fans. :puke: Go have another drink.

[Kaleko]

227. Let's just say, it takes greatness to recognize it in another...

Like attracts like. Just yesterday, the unsuspecting Mr. Pitt added a new "fan" simply by being himself around here. Me. :P

[Forkboy]

230. Jealousy is so unbecoming.

[DCofVA]

220. President Barack H. Obama!

President Barack H. Obama!
:) Sounds sooooooo sweet!:)
It's not just wishful thinking. It's gonna happen people!

[Kahuna]

221. Squeeeeeeeeeeeel!

:applause:

[azmouse]

232. kick

[azmouse]

251. kick II

[liberaldem4ever]

241. That sounds so sweet

I can't wait for it to be real. He is going to be an awesome president!

[JayFredMuggs]

243. Love that phrase!

Just wondering.

Are any of you Obama supporters former Hillary fans?

Just curious, given how many Hillary folks around here think there's a conspiracy to silence them, and none of them seem to able to give us a good reason to support her, only how they misunderstand Obama.

[toys4kitty]

244. Love it!

Although... I hear it a lot in my house. All 3 of my kids call him the president already!
:woohoo:
:kick:

[knixphan]

245. He's MY President already.

Let's just make it official!

Anyone who hasn't thrown some chips in to his campaign, go over to the love boat and donate!

[Alter Ego]

246. Not just that

but FORMER President George W. Bush.

[Neshanic]

253. He must of recieved a pony or unicorn of some type.

[Scurrilous]

255. Kick

:kick:

[Beacool]

262. Please no, Lord!!!!

What a nightmare!!!!!!

:scared:

[DemBones DemBones]

263. Not a chance/ eom.

[dchill]

264. Kick.

Just sayin'.

[BigDDem]

265. April fools!

just sayin'

[Bonobo]

266. Illustration of this thread