Hillary vows to take her fight to the Convention, including her FL and MI "delegates"

[IndianaGreen]

Poll question: Hillary vows to take her fight to the Convention, including her FL and MI "delegates"

To what level is Hillary prepared to turn the Denver Convention into a rerun of the 1968 Chicago Convention, which would lead to McCain winning in November?

Clinton Vows To Stay in Race To Convention

She Stresses Finding Solution On Michigan, Florida Votes

By Perry Bacon Jr. and Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, March 30, 2008; Page A01

NEW ALBANY, Ind., March 29 -- In her most definitive comments to date on the subject, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton sought Saturday to put to rest any notion that she will drop out of the presidential race, pledging in an interview to not only compete in all the remaining primaries but also continue until there is a resolution of the disqualified results in Florida and Michigan.

A day after Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean urged the candidates to end the race by July 1, Clinton defied that call by declaring that she will take her campaign all the way to the Aug. 25-28 convention if necessary, potentially setting up the prolonged and divisive contest that party leaders are increasingly anxious to avoid.

"I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong," Clinton said in an interview during a campaign stop here Saturday. "I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started and until we see what happens in the next 10 contests and until we resolve Florida and Michigan. And if we don't resolve it, we'll resolve it at the convention -- that's what credentials committees are for.

"We cannot go forward until Florida and Michigan are taken care of, otherwise the eventual nominee will not have the legitimacy that I think will haunt us," said the senator from New York.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032901909.html?hpid=topnews

I will point out that a federal judge ruled this week that the Michigan primary was unconstitutional!

Do you think that Hillary is trying to destroy the Democratic Party by vowing to take her campaign fight all the way to the Denver Convention?

[dkf]

1. She could care less. Destroying the party is a byproduct of her all consuming ambition.

It is not her goal but it will be a result.

[leftofcool]

2. Good! I want someone who will fight to the end

this kumbaya bullshit from Obama is just that.........bullshit

[IndianaGreen]

4. Hillary fights for herself, not the Democratic Party or for the country

One can expect no less from the woman that told AIPAC last year that she would have on the table a nuclear first strike against Iran.

[leftofcool]

7. Yea right

[susankh4]

3. Au Contraire

She is trying to save the party.

[IndianaGreen]

8. The Republican Party that is!

No wonder Bill Clinton is gushing so many sweet words about McCain, and Hillary was rubbing elbows with Richard Mellon Scaife.

[dkf]

11. lol. Bill sure is doing a good job of propping up McCain.

[PatGund]

18. You're right!

I have every belief and confidence that Sen. Clinton will do everything she can to support and save her party.

The fact that her party is the DLC rather than the DNC is besides the point

[JayFredMuggs]

25. How do you ever come to THAT conclusion?

Save the party?

From what? A popularly elected front-runner?

Or a man of mixed-races?

Or? Fill in the blank.

[Redbear]

5. She tkeeps fighting because she thinks she's the best person to be President.

I don't agree with her, but I don't get the all-consuming venom against her.

[dkf]

12. This must be another one of her delusions.

[Zhade]

19. She also thinks she can win. THAT'S pretty delusional, given the situation.

NT!

[DemGa]

6. Hillary's a tough candidate running for President

You can assail her character all you want -- it won't change that fact.

And if you want to see what trying to destroy the Democratic Party looks like, see Ted Kennedy 1980.

[Johnny__Motown]

14. Hillary is a child holding her breath because she can't have what she thinks she is entitled to

[Zhade]

20. She's a bald-faced liar (see Tuzla) - that's her character.

NT!

[wileedog]

9. This is great

"
"We cannot go forward until Florida and Michigan are taken care of, otherwise the eventual nominee will not have the legitimacy that I think will haunt us," said the senator from New York."

So if 2 states who broke the rules are not counted, the candidate is "illegitimate".

However if all 50 states vote and the SDs overturn the pledged delegate vote then the candidate is perfectly legitimate. I'm sure no one will even blink an eye.

This is such a clusterfuck in the making it is not even funny.

[Zhade]

10. FL and MI *have* been resolved. You're done, clinton.

NT!

[IndianaGreen]

22. A federal judge ruled this week that the Michigan primary was unconstitutional!

A fact being purposely overlooked by the Clinton campaign.

[Forkboy]

13. I think in her head she truly believes she is doing what's best for the party.

:crazy:

[Johnny__Motown]

15. And in her head she thinks she dodged sniper fire.. what's your point?

[Forkboy]

17. Easy Killer....

:P

[Swamp Rat]

21. LOL!

[Johnny__Motown]

23. OK, sorry.. that was kinda rude... The Devil Made Me Do It....

[Swamp Rat]

28. He sure did, Killer!

:D

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. You're kidding, right? Hillary is all about doing what's best for Hillary.

[Forkboy]

31. Um, that's why I said "in her head".

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. Gotcha. I guess I don't like getting inside Hillary's head unless I've got my hip boots on.

[RiverStone]

16. I don't think she is "trying to destroy" the Dem party, but...

...I do think she is determined to march forward and if chaos and dissent in the party breaks out as a result, she does not care.

The good news is if enough Super Delegates come to their senses, they will stop her regardless if Hillary plans to go all the way to the convention.

They will not let madness rule!

[nankerphelge]

24. Dear Hillary...

I live in Florida. Stop pretending to speak for my interests. Get out of the race now. Thanks.

[JayFredMuggs]

27. Brilliant post

Those Florida voters who never got the chance to meet Obama, nor Hillary.......now who engineered THAT fiasco?

Surely NOT Obama! Obama didn't even vote in the decision to make some states more able to have primaries on certain dates. But where was Bill Clinton in all of this date decision-making?? Home in NY State? OR off giving speeches in some foreign land? Or telling his state delegates whom to support, what rules to allow?

NOW who was able to make sure Florida didn't count in 2008? Why it was the former President named Clinton, who didn't want his wife's chances dashed in an early open primary.

Let's get to the bottom of why the DLC or the DNC or whoever excluded Florida just because the state decided upon a date too "early" for the Clinton's!!

[SwampG8r]

32. i too am a floridian

hillary you represent the worst aspects of political life and do not in any way shape or form meet my requirements for a representative

please stop using me and my vote as a tool to further damage the party
please get out now

[IndianaGreen]

34. Excellent point. Florida politicians broke the rules, they are the ones to be blamed.

Hillary should stop trying to bring chaos to the convention and accept her fate, return to New York and stay there!

[Barack_America]

26. Hillary Clinton: Caucuses = Boo!, Illegal Elections = Yea!

That's essentially her position here.

:wtf:

[Samantha]

29. This is a fight over the CONTROL of the Democratic party

Make no mistake about that. And it's a fight that has been simmering for years, and it has now bubbled to the top, and on full display. On your right, and yes, I do mean right, is Hillary Clinton, the DLC candidate. The DLC represents the party elite. Year after year, the DLC decides for the people who they will be allowed to vote for because the DLC knows what is best for the party. The base, i.e., the people, are the ignorant and the uneducated. Obviously, the choice cannot be left to them -- that is not the way the Democratic party will win elections, so says the DLC.

And on your left, we have what Howard Dean used to refer to as the Democratic wing of the Democratic party, being represented in the fight for control of the party by the liberals and the other "mere" people, the literal base.

Who will win this struggle for the power to run the party? Will it be determined by the majority of the popular votes, the pledged delegate count tallied as a result of primary and caucuses held as they occur, or with neither candidate winning the requisite number needed to "win" the nomination, and needing the superdelegate votes to get over the top?

Al Gore thoughtfully said this week the process will end naturally with a winner being determined in the primary election process before the convention starts. Hillary vows to take the fight to the convention for resolution, if necessary, and has implied she will count the Michigan and Florida results, previously determined to be disallowed, because the DNC rules and her rules are not the same.

So this is a profile of the "fight" as it appears to me -- who the winner will be and how the winner is determined remains to be seen. Yes, it is truly a struggle for the raw power and control over the party as a whole, and subsequently the seat in the Oval Office.

[leeroysphitz]

33. Senator Clinton is not trying to destroy the Democratic party. She is simply trying to

finagle a win in this the primary. What's so hard to understand about all that?

I'm from Michigan. I, along with a SURPRISINGLY large number of other voters chose to vote UNCOMMITTED in the primary in order to avoid voting for Senator Clinton but now I'm told by Senator Clinton's supporters that she is "fighting" to have my vote "counted". Bullshit. I don't want my states delegates seated until they have had a chance to hear from me and everyone else in the state in a fairly run primary election.

If there is no do over then there should be no seating. PERIOD. Nothing else is FAIR or JUST. Not that HRC would let things like fairness or justice get in the way of success...

[anonymous171]

35. OK, we can talk about Florida, but seating the MI delagates is out of line.

[Scurrilous]

36. Kick

:kick:

[ORDem]

37. As per her strategy, she continues to try and create uncertainty about MI and FL.

It's just another ploy by her campaign to make it appear she has some path to the nomination. MI and FL are dead issues. I certainly wish they could have found a way to do re-votes in both states, as that would have put an end to this ploy (on the day they announced the plans), but sadly, no, she continues to use it as a wedge.

:dem:

[OzarkDem]

39. Why do Obama supporters want to disenfranchise fellow Dems?

Primary battles are one thing, but candidates and supporters who deliberately conspire to disenfranchise other Dems are beyond the pale.

If Obama and his supporters can't allow fellow Democrats to have their votes counted in the primary, they should seriously, and I do mean seriously, consider removing themselves from the Democratic Party and beginning one of their own.

That's the kind of Gestapo mentality espoused by the GOP, not Dems. Y'all are in the wrong party.

[davidpdx]

40. As I said in another other thread

even Donna Brazille said on This Week, that the Credentials Committee (CC) fight won't work. Howard Dean has appointed 25 people and the rest come from individual states (3 each). The problem with Clinton's CC fight is Obama has won more states and will likely have more support on the committee. Thus the CC fight is going to be a losing battle.

For me, I think it certainly would be slightly different had Clinton competed in a few more of those caucus states.

[crankychatter]

41. They should've revoted but Clinton Operatives demanded certification of a skewed VOTE

If you support giving Obama only from August to November to campaign against McCain, you do not have the best interests of the Party at heart.

shame on you

In this matter Obama is blameless and this is just another lie...

seems to be a pattern.