HRC campaign and credit card fraud, illegal charges on VISA cards

[FogerRox]

This is Kathy Callahans story.

I voluntarily left the Hillary Finance Committee after I discovered more than $3,000 in unauthorized charges from HRC campaign on my own VISA card! And that set off a wave of overdrafts and $400 in bank charges that I was stuck with. And the compliance officer Allison Wright at Hillary VA headquarters refused to reimburse me for the charges. And the senior finance reps who I notified about more than $3,000 in unauthorized Visa Charges never once aplogized or empathized with my plight, much less sent me a "sorry for all the trouble" note and a check!

Unbelievably, it took me more than a month of pleading and begging via email to get the money back.

Cross posted from Bluejersey.com

How broke was the Hillary Clinton campaign? So broke that they were charging things to various staffers' credit cards — a lady's credit cards, in fact.

Cross posted from the Wonkette.

Here is a press release on hillaryclinton.com listing Kathy as a member of "Hillary's New Jersey Women for Hillary Council"


Here is Kathy's opensecrets campaign donor page.

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

Surely these numbers are illegal.... yes they are...


Kathy "was" a member of Clinton's finance committee according to the NJ Herald News

Police Report Complaint Number: 2007-014875 417/ID THEFT Date: Dec 11, 2007 Time: 18:04 Taken by Detective A O'Brien in Ridgefield, NJ.

Clinton has returned over 2.6 million, while Obama has returned about 700k.

Kathy has had her money refunded. But the overdraft charges remain unpaid ($400).

[FogerRox]

1. Edit and kick

[Tellurian]

67. This was debunked months ago.. The link is from Jan/08

[FogerRox]

76. Ahh, ok, that explains the roughly $3400 in refunds HRC made to Kathy

thanks for clarifying that.


http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

[Yael]

85. "Originally reported" does not equal "debunked".

[City Lights]

2. K&R

[FogerRox]

11. They had my VISA card on file. Unauthorized donations were made.

I happily donated $2,000. They had my VISA card on file. Unauthorized donations were made.

In addition, I was actually double charged for an event that I did attend.

Smoking gun: $5,800 is $1,200 over the legal limit.

I would say this in a court of law. I am an honest person...the following statement is true down to the letter:
Matt McQuenney who works in the compliance department at HRC headquarters told me verbatim -"What happened to you with credit card errors is happening to others,. You are not alone.
http://www.bluejersey.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=00459DD45597F0D7E14B1C78E2DAE9D3?diaryId=7104

[City Lights]

22. This story needs to make the jump from the Internets to the teevee.

Pronto.

[FogerRox]

31. I thought this was one isolated incident, when I 1st heard about a month ago

But google shows its not.

[City Lights]

79. I hope you've sent the information to your favorite media types.

I have. :-)

[Catherina]

3. What a desperate immoral campaign n/t

[FogerRox]

12. From the Wonkette link

When the Clinton campaign *allegedly* illegally made this woman pay for everything, it ruined her credit — but in the name of Experience:

And that set off a wave of overdrafts and $400 in bank charges that I was stuck with. And the compliance officer Allison Wright at Hillary VA headquarters refused to reimburse me for the charges. And the senior finance reps who I notified about more than $3,000 in unauthorized Visa Charges never once aplogized or empathized with my plight, much less sent me a "sorry for all the trouble" note and a check!

[Catherina]

15. HRC has no idea how the "little people" are already hurting

The woman she defrauded should press the case in court.

[NashVegas]

60. OpenSecrets.org Proves Kathy Callahan Is a Premium Bullshitter

Who first received refunds over a month before she claims in her lies on the Blue Jersey blog.

[FogerRox]

74. Bring the facts to the table, HRC refunded $2800 after Kathy went to the police

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

[FogerRox]

80. Come on back, dont run away.... from the facts...

dont bother to document your 1/2 truth claims......


I adopted Death in the family expert Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's 5 stages of grief

Denial - Wow, how long did it take for Hillary to even admit she had a problem! At this point, her supporters admit that she is behind, but still think she has a chance. They are still in denial, thinking that somehow the superdelegates will hand it to her, when she's lost the contest. But, it's a much milder level of denial that it was back in January and February.

Anger - Well, there's plenty of that all around. This seems to be the stage that most of them in right now. That's why they are so negative. Can't wait until they are mostly out of this stage myself.

Bargaining - We saw that in the "offer" to let Obama be her VP. They tried. Once it's clearer to them that the game is over, I would expect more bargaining to occur. They can make things more difficult for the Dems and Obama. Let's hope it's more like bargaining and less like blackmail.

Depression - We haven't seen this yet, have we? When we get there, the air will just go out of the balloon. That's when Hillary will give up. Her suppporters will go quiet. This is bound to happen once the primaries are over. Her supporters may still feel they can't support Obama at this stage, but they will have stopped fighting him.

Acceptance - I am sure by the fall, most will have made it to this stage. They'll vote Democratic. Hillary's supporters are all good Democrats. They will help the party

.

[FogerRox]

83. "$5300 large"... right?$2800 refunded after going to the police and $1500 before going to the police

Is that not correct?

[PoliticalAmazon]

18. HRC will do ANYTHING and use ANYBODY to get what she wants....

...a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for a third Bush-Jr term.

[FogerRox]

45. Lets go easy on the anti HRC stuff, they are grieving for the loss of the campaign

They need space and time to grieve.

Denial - Wow, how long did it take for Hillary to even admit she had a problem! At this point, her supporters admit that she is behind, but still think she has a chance. They are still in denial, thinking that somehow the superdelegates will hand it to her, when she's lost the contest. But, it's a much milder level of denial that it was back in January and February.

Anger - Well, there's plenty of that all around. This seems to be the stage that most of them in right now. That's why they are so negative. Can't wait until they are mostly out of this stage myself.

Bargaining - We saw that in the "offer" to let Obama be her VP. They tried. Once it's clearer to them that the game is over, I would expect more bargaining to occur. They can make things more difficult for the Dems and Obama. Let's hope it's more like bargaining and less like blackmail.

Depression - We haven't seen this yet, have we? When we get there, the air will just go out of the balloon. That's when Hillary will give up. Her suppporters will go quiet. This is bound to happen once the primaries are over. Her supporters may still feel they can't support Obama at this stage, but they will have stopped fighting him.

Acceptance - I am sure by the fall, most will have made it to this stage. They'll vote Democratic. Hillary's supporters are all good Democrats. They will help the party

.

[Window]

4. Dear Lord! Why Hillary?? Why??

:kick:

[FogerRox]

14. mydd has the story too

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/10/163154/336

[Window]

73. Thanks. I checked it out. Unbelievable.

[FogerRox]

78. Here is Kathys Opensecrets page, note the amounts and dates

she went to the police Dec 11th, 2007, the bottom of the page shows the refunds and dates.

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

[meow mix]

5. K&R

[FogerRox]

19. Lets do it again.....

Something similar happened to Elmar Vomfell, who owns a small business in Kentucky, after he agreed to make a $4,600 contribution, the legal maximum. When he checked later, he found that $9,200 had been charged to his card on March 31. The Clinton campaign issued him a $4,600 refund a month later — after both contributions had been counted in the first-quarter total.

NY Times.

[EFerrari]

24. This is just sad. Isn't Clinton rich?

What a crappy thing to do to your supporters.

[FogerRox]

36. Yes it i a crappy thing to do.

[Laughing Mirror]

62. How do you think she got so rich?

Something tells me she might be losing some of the fortune in the not too distant future.

Makes you wonder behind which file cabinet those tax returns have been hiding since she's been Senator Clinton, which may be the best con she's pulled off yet.

[WillyT]

6. Jesus... This Is Getting Pathalogical...

let alone illegal.

:wtf:

K & R !!!

[FogerRox]

21. Gregory Turley, a lawyer in Texas,

Gregory Turley, a lawyer in Texas, said the credit card company temporarily suspended his Visa card after he and his wife used it to each make $2,300 contributions to the Clinton campaign, apparently because the large amount raised a flag. Informed by the campaign that the donations did not go through, Mr. Turley said he sent a check instead, but the campaign returned it.

“They said they would prefer to run it through the credit card again,” he said.

After resolving the bank’s security concerns, Mr. Turley said the contributions went through — twice. The Clinton campaign refunded the Turleys the $4,600 in erroneous charges in April.

NY Times.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

7. #10 for #2

translation:
the tenth recommendation for this crappy issue.

[FogerRox]

23. Thanks, and a sense of humor too.... LOL

[1776Forever]

8. WOW - talk about not needing a friend or President like Hillary! What a disgrace!

:hide: How low can she go?????????

[City Lights]

25. As low as she needs to.

Ugh.

[FogerRox]

28. I was blindsided,

“They had my number on file and they kept using it like it was their own. I was blindsided,” she said in a telephone interview with PolitickerNJ.


http://politickernj.com/clinton-finance-committee-member-leaves-after-unauthorized-charges

[Scurrilous]

9. K & R

:thumbsup:

[FogerRox]

47. Thanks for the KnR

[EFerrari]

10. That's terrrible. We don't need this kind of "readiness". n/t

[wileedog]

13. This is the scary line

"Kathy Callahan, you are going to be with us all the way to the White House...So let's leave the money where it is and we'll save time on inevitable future donations and transactions!"

Can you image a Hillary White House?

"Well, we know you are going to pay your taxes for the next 4 years. Why don't we just collect it all now and avoid the hassle the next 3?"

[Debi]

16. Okay, this is worse than unpaid debts n/t

[ORDem]

17. K&R. Why this doesn't make the msm I don't understand. n/t

:kick:

[The Night Owl]

20. ALERT AND IGNORE! RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES! ALSO, LET IT SINK!

:crazy:

[Life Long Dem]

26. No defense from Hillary's thugs?

[Debi]

27. Well, there's that 'Obama wasnt a professor even though the college said he was' thread

:eyes:

[Life Long Dem]

32. That's funny! But true.

[FogerRox]

29. They are grieving the loss.

Denial - Wow, how long did it take for Hillary to even admit she had a problem! At this point, her supporters admit that she is behind, but still think she has a chance. They are still in denial, thinking that somehow the superdelegates will hand it to her, when she's lost the contest. But, it's a much milder level of denial that it was back in January and February.

Anger - Well, there's plenty of that all around. This seems to be the stage that most of them in right now. That's why they are so negative. Can't wait until they are mostly out of this stage myself.

Bargaining - We saw that in the "offer" to let Obama be her VP. They tried. Once it's clearer to them that the game is over, I would expect more bargaining to occur. They can make things more difficult for the Dems and Obama. Let's hope it's more like bargaining and less like blackmail.

Depression - We haven't seen this yet, have we? When we get there, the air will just go out of the balloon. That's when Hillary will give up. Her suppporters will go quiet. This is bound to happen once the primaries are over. Her supporters may still feel they can't support Obama at this stage, but they will have stopped fighting him.

Acceptance - I am sure by the fall, most will have made it to this stage. They'll vote Democratic. Hillary's supporters are all good Democrats. They will help the party.

Going through these stages takes some time. People fall back into earlier stages, too, even after they've progressed. Something gives them a little hope that their loss is not certain. Let's all give the Hillary folks a little room to adjust. They're hurting right now.

[LisaL]

33. This is so incredibly annoying and condesending, that I am

almost looking forward to the stages of grief you will go through if Obama loses to McCain.

[FogerRox]

39. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross is a major expert on death and the family

http://www.simonsays.com/content/destination.cfm?tab=25&pid=357963

[Life Long Dem]

49. I know the feeling. But I don't think I'd wish McSame to win.

[LisaL]

52. Neither am I. That's why I said "almost."

But I am getting there.

[Life Long Dem]

37. That's understandable.

CNN was saying for Hillary to drop out her supporters would have to tell her how they feel. They should ask John Edwards his thoughts over that one.

[FogerRox]

42. In '72 I was heartbroken over McGovern's loss.

I had really thought he would beat Nixon. Reality soon set in.

[liberaldem4ever]

30. K & R There is no excuse for this

I hope MSM reports this. I can't imagine a candidate who I was working for and supporting doing this to me. Whoever the staffer is that did this needs to be fired and reported to the police. The campaign needs at the very least to pay her bank fees. Wow.

[FogerRox]

35. Thanks for the rec

[grantcart]

34. hmmmmmmmmm??

[benld74]

38. I just read the WSJ and discovered,,,

My families' lineage will be paying for the DIMSON war for the next 5 generations; that my great grandkids will NOT have the same opportunities as I did, that my great, great grandkids will be paying for the recent brokerage house payoff the Treasury made last week; that I will be able to tell my grandkids my fabled stories of 99 cent a gallon gasoline, $1.25 gallon milk, 69 cent a dozen eggs, privately owned farms, etc etc etc.

[FogerRox]

41. I remember gas at .25 cents for regular and .26 cents for super

[benld74]

44. yeah I do too,,

with 25 cent bread, nickle hershey bars, nickle soda-in glass, returnable glass soda bottles, milk delivery at home, shift on the column for cars, ok gramps ok!!!!

[FogerRox]

46. :-_)

[dailykoff]

40. Isn't that how CULTS operate?

I mean real cults? This is kind of scary.

[FogerRox]

43. Lyndon LaRouche went to jail for double and triple charging Credit cards

And LaRouche is very cult like.

[kwenu]

48. Who would be dumb enough to give Hillary's campaign credit card information?

[FogerRox]

53. They trusted her.

Yeah I know, you make a good point.

[meow mix]

50. K&R so this is how she keeps up the expenditures

was wondering how she can afford it with her donor problem

[stillcool]

51. Hillary is a con-artist...ripping off people...

with her scorched earth strategy.

Clinton camp reimburses; landlord to donate check to Obama campaign
February 13, 2008 12:19 PM
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

AID=/20080213/NEWS/80213011
by: Karen Dandurant Seacoast Online
Rochester doctor Terry Bennett has finally been paid by the Clinton campaign for rental of a Portsmouth building he owns. Now, he says he will donate the $500 check to Barack Obama’s campaign.
--------------------------

Bennett said he believes the only reason the Clinton campaign paid for renting his 236 Union St. storefront is because he became the “squeaky wheel,” contacting the Herald last week in frustration because he had not been paid for more than a month. “Thirty days went by, with no replies to phone calls, e-mails, no replies at all. Suddenly a newspaper article comes out. It was the worst publicity they could get. Three days go by and I get a check,” said Bennett.
In fact, Michael Whitney of Keller Williams Coastal Realty, who handles Bennett’s rental, said the check came through UPS Express mail, and was overnighted.
Bennett went public last week, saying he rented a warehouse/office space to Clinton campaign workers for five days prior to the Jan. 8 presidential primary. He rented the space for $100 a day to be used as a campaign headquarters and dormitory.

------------------------
When Bennett’s story came out, other people contacted the Herald about unpaid bills from the Clinton campaign. Iowa resident Richard Reese is the owner of Top Job Services Inc., a cleaning service in Des Moines. His company was hired in November of last year, prior to the Iowa caucuses, to clean the Clinton campaign headquarters on a regular basis.
Reese provided the Herald with invoices and said he had not seen one penny of the $7,561.70 he is owed. As of Wednesday, he still hadn’t. “I got a call on Sunday from the Clinton campaign who said they
were putting the money in a two-day envelope,” said Reese. “Today is Wednesday, and I already got the mail, but there’s no check.”

Michael Whitney of Keller Williams Coastal Reality in Portsmouth holds a $500.00 check payable to Terry Bennett from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Bennett said he will now donate the check to the Barack Obama campaign.Rich Beauchesne photo

[FogerRox]

54. Great comment, thanks.

[NashVegas]

55. Lies Lies Lies

Kathy Callahan claims money was siphoned from her account and that she had to threaten file a police complaint to get it back. She claims that she tried to get them to refund her money numerous times, but that they refused to refund her money until she threatened had a conversation with a bank manager and threatened to call the police, just before Christmas.

She claims she filed a report on December 11.

The first refund to her account was November 2.

The second refund was December 3.

Two refutations of her lie, right there. Next, here's Kathy quoted in the newspaper on January 9th of this year:

Obama’s message had already resonated with Kathy Callahan of Ridgefield months ago, when she said she defected from Clinton’s finance committee to support Obama.

“Hillary speaks to my mind,” Callahan said. “He talks to my mind and heart and soul as a Democratic activist. There is a difference. It’s inspiration into action.”

Speaks. Current verse. You'd think Kathy might have had something different to say about HC, in January, other than such flattering terms if her other story wasn't so much made-up bunk.

[FogerRox]

57. Thanks for your contribution

I adopted Death in the family expert Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's 5 stages of grief

Denial - Wow, how long did it take for Hillary to even admit she had a problem! At this point, her supporters admit that she is behind, but still think she has a chance. They are still in denial, thinking that somehow the superdelegates will hand it to her, when she's lost the contest. But, it's a much milder level of denial that it was back in January and February.

Anger - Well, there's plenty of that all around. This seems to be the stage that most of them in right now. That's why they are so negative. Can't wait until they are mostly out of this stage myself.

Bargaining - We saw that in the "offer" to let Obama be her VP. They tried. Once it's clearer to them that the game is over, I would expect more bargaining to occur. They can make things more difficult for the Dems and Obama. Let's hope it's more like bargaining and less like blackmail.

Depression - We haven't seen this yet, have we? When we get there, the air will just go out of the balloon. That's when Hillary will give up. Her suppporters will go quiet. This is bound to happen once the primaries are over. Her supporters may still feel they can't support Obama at this stage, but they will have stopped fighting him.

Acceptance - I am sure by the fall, most will have made it to this stage. They'll vote Democratic. Hillary's supporters are all good Democrats. They will help the party

.

[FogerRox]

61. $2300 was returned on DEC 18th, you seem to have ingnored that FACT

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

Get your shit together.

[NashVegas]

And 3k Was Refunded Between November 2 and December 3 - Kathy Callahan Is a Liar

Kathy Callahan lies lies lies when she said the Clinton campaign refused to refund before she filed a police report. The report she claims to have filed she assigned to the date of December 11.

So I followed his direction and filed a police report in Ridgefield. I then notified Allison Wright and Cc'ed senior finance reps (who I met many times) via email again about the police report and said, "Enough is Enough, already! Christmas is coming!"

It was then and only then and within a matter of seconds that I got a cell phone call and email from Allison Wright imploring me, "Kathy, please don't do anything, formally! I will send you whatever you want back, immediately!" I told her, "You can send all of my money back!"

Finally, $5,300 large came back**** to me but not the $400 in overdraft charges. And to think that the legal limit during the primary is $2,300 and I had already generously and enthusiastically donated $2,000 to Hillary legitimately! I don't know why so much chaos and stalling ensued when $5, 800 on their books is a huge red flag...and certainly not my fault!

**** - BIG FUCKING LIE!*** She received $3k by December 3, more than a week before she claims she went to the police.

[FogerRox]

69. Denial is a stage in grief

I adopted Death in the family expert Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's 5 stages of grief

Denial - Wow, how long did it take for Hillary to even admit she had a problem! At this point, her supporters admit that she is behind, but still think she has a chance. They are still in denial, thinking that somehow the superdelegates will hand it to her, when she's lost the contest. But, it's a much milder level of denial that it was back in January and February.

Anger - Well, there's plenty of that all around. This seems to be the stage that most of them in right now. That's why they are so negative. Can't wait until they are mostly out of this stage myself.

Bargaining - We saw that in the "offer" to let Obama be her VP. They tried. Once it's clearer to them that the game is over, I would expect more bargaining to occur. They can make things more difficult for the Dems and Obama. Let's hope it's more like bargaining and less like blackmail.

Depression - We haven't seen this yet, have we? When we get there, the air will just go out of the balloon. That's when Hillary will give up. Her suppporters will go quiet. This is bound to happen once the primaries are over. Her supporters may still feel they can't support Obama at this stage, but they will have stopped fighting him.

Acceptance - I am sure by the fall, most will have made it to this stage. They'll vote Democratic. Hillary's supporters are all good Democrats. They will help the party

.

[FogerRox]

81. Thank you so much for your contribution. Its really wonderfull.

I see your point...Maybe Hillary should consider a slander suit then...... Since Kathy is a liar.

[FogerRox]

84. I think this spells it out fairly

Refunds:

11/2/2007 $1,200)
12/3/2007 ($1,800)

12/11/07 Kathy goes to the cops

12/18/2007 ($500)
12/18/2007($2,300)


http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

[FogerRox]

64. Come on back, dont run away....

I adopted Death in the family expert Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's 5 stages of grief

Denial - Wow, how long did it take for Hillary to even admit she had a problem! At this point, her supporters admit that she is behind, but still think she has a chance. They are still in denial, thinking that somehow the superdelegates will hand it to her, when she's lost the contest. But, it's a much milder level of denial that it was back in January and February.

Anger - Well, there's plenty of that all around. This seems to be the stage that most of them in right now. That's why they are so negative. Can't wait until they are mostly out of this stage myself.

Bargaining - We saw that in the "offer" to let Obama be her VP. They tried. Once it's clearer to them that the game is over, I would expect more bargaining to occur. They can make things more difficult for the Dems and Obama. Let's hope it's more like bargaining and less like blackmail.

Depression - We haven't seen this yet, have we? When we get there, the air will just go out of the balloon. That's when Hillary will give up. Her suppporters will go quiet. This is bound to happen once the primaries are over. Her supporters may still feel they can't support Obama at this stage, but they will have stopped fighting him.

Acceptance - I am sure by the fall, most will have made it to this stage. They'll vote Democratic. Hillary's supporters are all good Democrats. They will help the party

.

[BeyondGeography]

66. Some people think it's a habit of theirs

[Kber]

56. Somehow I doubt the original mistake was purposeful

Shit happens.

The real issue is how the mistake is dealt with and corrected, and that seems like it may not have been optimally managed, IMO.

[FogerRox]

58. It also appears that the Hillary campaign leads with refunds

Lyndon LaRouche went to jail for double dipping Credit cards.

EDIT:

Kathy got a $2300 refund the week after she filed a police report.......

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

[FogerRox]

71. repeated MISTAKES..........

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

[Laughing Mirror]

59. Hillarious!

We already knew she was a brilliant con artist, but credit card fraud, too, to add to the list of charges.

$3,000 of unauthorized charges on a charge card is grand larceny, isn't it?

It's a felony, I'm sure.

[IsItJustMe]

63. Any way she can get it. It don't matter.

[democrattotheend]

65. The overcharge might have been a mistake

But the response from the Clinton campaign was pretty obnoxious. They basically said "Kathy Callahan, you are going to be with us all the way to November, so why not just leave the money where it is and avoid the inevitable future transactions?"

Part of the inevitability strategy, I guess.

[FogerRox]

70. Got to the opensecrets link, see for your self the multiple charges

Look at the dates and amounts and remember she went to the police Dec 11th 2007, then make up your own mind.

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=callahan%2C+Kathy&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

[AZBlue]

68. And she wants to be in charge of the nation's budget?!?!

K/R

[Willo]

72. You can see how both candidates spend money.

I looked at Salaries, Postage and the Contribution Refunds

Obama expenditures
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008

Clinton expenditures
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

[FogerRox]

75. I noticed the 3 to 1 refund numbers.....

[knixphan]

77. wow.

[mrJJ]

82. The Donor list

Political campaigns spend thousands, even millions of dollars to acquire good mailing lists.
Last year, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton took the unusual step of renting out some of her lists. The transaction once again highlights the Clintons' connections to a businessman who now faces questions from the Securities and Exchange Commission.
It was an unusual transaction, according to Roger Craver, a liberal guru of the political direct-mail industry.
"As a general rule, a campaign will not let its donor list out into the markets until the campaign is over," he said. "This is the mother's milk of small-gift fundraising, and they use these lists frequently."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18958566

Notice that Dollar Bill owns 100,000 shares of InfoUSA. err gratis from the owner.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920213/posts

Stock shows up on the financials of Hillary Clinton financials

Hillary Clinton (D-NY) - 2006 Politician Profile Net Worth: From $10,360,009 to $51,021,998 Ranks 9th among all members of the Senate. Assets: 10 totaling $10,460,009 to $51,052,000. Liabilities: 2 totaling $30,002 to $100,000. 47 pages long if your gonna dig thru them.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?txtName=clinton

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDsummary.php?CID=N00000019&year=2006

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?capcode=h3mpd&CID=N00000019&submit=Submit

[Nick Lento]

86. Bottom Lines....

If the story is true (which I do believe it is) then there needs to be an official and thorough investigation by the proper authorities and any violations of the rules or of laws should be punished and/or prosecuted. If the story is false and we, who believe it have been duped by a (not so) clever con artist...then she should be held legally accountable.

The fact that no federal enforcement agency has stepped in to check this out is regrettable; the allegations are serious.

Then again, the Bush administration and the "VRWC" is obviously desperate to have Hillary as the candidate and aren't likely to do anything to hinder that outcome.

Thanks to FogerRox for staying on top of this and tamping down the trolls! :-)

I suggest that Kathy Callahan spend a few hours with Roger and share all the documents/emails etc along with the whole story in detail; and Foger should then write a definitive documented concise article laying this all out so that it's all as irrefutable clear as possible.

[TheDonkey]

87. Imagine how she would run a general election.

most likely one of the worst in a century.