No "Professor" Obama

[OzarkDem]

WASHINGTON -- The University of Chicago released a statement Thursday saying Sen. Barack Obama "served as a professor" in the law school -- but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed on Friday.

"He did not hold the title of professor of law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an assistant dean for communications and lecturer in law at the school.

...

The university statement said, "From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School."

The school probably did not mean to imply that Obama became a University of Chicago professor a year out of law school. But the word "served" is key -- Nagorsky said Obama carried out, or served, a function of a professor -- teaching a core curriculum course -- while at the same time not holding down that rank.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/867973,CST-NWS-sweet30.article#

[DJ13]

1. "served as a professor"

Well, at least he wasnt under sniper fire.........

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

2. He's a liar, though

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[CBGLuthier]

6. semantic hair-splitting vs. bald faced lie

I think I know which I prefer.

[polpilot]

88. Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA, Pro-McCain Hillary Clinton. No ambiguity there. None.

[niceypoo]

90. Professors have PHDs

[Unsane]

121. Law professors don't

[readmoreoften]

185. At a good college most will have both a J.D.s and a Ph.D in Law.

[MadHound]

153. Not necessarily

Adjunct professors commonly only have a Masters.

[damntexdem]

179. No, professors are elevated to the rank of professor.

That usually takes many years in the ranks of assistant then associate professor.

The educational degree required depends on the field and the institution.

[TahitiNut]

7. Yup. A real Snideley Whiplash.

:eyes: Poor Nell.

[wileedog]

8. If the University itself calls him a Professor

Why can't he say he was a Professor?

Why is this even an issue? Its not like he claimed a vital peacemaking role in Ireland or something.

[helderheid]

16. He was dodging snipers all the while calling himself a PROFESSOR!

[Prophet 451]

56. Well, as I understand it...

The university says that he fulfilled some of the duties of a professor but was never a full-fledged professor in the sense of being a tenured member of faculty. Agreed, it's a minor semantic difference but academics tend to like precision in language.

[sallyseven]

74. It is not a minor semantic

Ask any real professor. It is very difficult to become a real professor and not a part time teacher. You people would cover up a murder by Obama and say that the victim walked into the knife.

[Name removed]

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[OzarkDem]

98. Good point

the lack of objectivity of Obama supporters is ridiculous at times, this case being one.

[dchill]

101. No, it's not.

Look at your candidate - she is pathological.

[MattBaggins]

163. The objective questions. Was he professing

to dodge bullets while teaching those classes?

[merh]

107. And did you miss out on how the UC offered him a full time

position on several occassions and he turned them down?

This article is written by a reporter that thought they had the "scoop" in 2004, it failed then to get the rise that reporter wanted so why not rehash it now - vindication and revenge, scar and burn.

Go look up the word professor, then find me where Obama ever claimed to be a tenured professor.

[OzarkDem]

117. Had he accepted the job

and had he been put on the payroll with a job description as a professor, then it would have been accurate.

[Swamp Rat]

120. Straw Man

"had he been put on the payroll with a job description as a professor, then it would have been accurate." - No, he was an "adjunct professor," which does not require the designation "with a job description as a professor," no does it require a Ph.D.

Am I on ignore OzarkDem? I have been trying to discuss this with you for a while now. :shrug:

[merh]

152. You are mistaken, he was serving as a professor

he just wasn't a tenured professor and never claimed to be.

You need to go find those positive things and post them. I'm anxious to read the positive, your negatives fill me with ennui.

[dave123williams]

143. So, they're saying his job was 'professor', but he wasn't actually a professor.

That's funny. Kind of like how Starbucks calls people supervisors, but then assert in court that supervisors have no managerial duties.

You're saying that he was a Professor, but that he wasn't actually.

[JayFredMuggs]

147. Unfortunately Hillary supporters don't care about

bold faced lies on the campaign trail by Hillary who claims she was under sniper fire.

Splitting hairs about titles is more their style, even when the law school responds and states clearly that Obama "served" as a Professor of Constitutional Law.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

37. At least you didn't call him a Muslim this time.

[OzarkDem]

82. His religion is irrelevant

His actions speak much louder than words.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

92. Except it's not his religion, genius.

[OzarkDem]

110. That's his problem

I don't care one way or the other, son. Its what he does, not what he says.

[Leopolds Ghost]

128. If you don't care what religion he professes, why do you care what title he held in law school?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

139. Do you still think he's a Muslim?

Because your posting history seems to indicate that.

[mkultra]

171. as a hillary supporter

You lose the ability to claim this stance unless your under sniper fire at the time.

[mythyc]

85. snap

:rofl:

[Lucky 13]

46. You're quibbling over the word "served" when there's a whole video of Hill LYING HER ASS OFF.

You guys are really grasping at straws.

[Leopolds Ghost]

129. Rovian tactic. Attack the opponent on your weakest front. distract, disrupt and confuse the issue

[Name removed]

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[Leopolds Ghost]

131. Not to mention, were Obama in the sciences -- he wouldve been "adjunct professor" not "professor"

In other words, a different, lesser sort of professor from "full" professor.

[tabatha]

68. what can you not read in this statement

The university statement said, "From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School."

DO you need a basic course in reader comprehension.

[stillcool]

96. You are the liar...

University Of Chicago: Obama Was A Professor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/university-of-chicago-ob_n_93896.html
The Huffington Post | March 28, 2008 11:03 AM


Today, the University of Chicago released the following statement:

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

Professor Obama
The University of Chicago says that Obama is entitled to describe himself as a professor during his time teaching there
March 28, 2008 1:00 PM

Well here's a thing: after the Clinton campaign accused Barack Obama of falsely claiming to have been a professor at the University of Chicago, when he was merely a lecturer, it now turns out that he was indeed a professor - according to the University of Chicago.

In a press release issued today, the university's Law School explains:

From 1992 until his election to the US Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

What makes this utterly minor issue of nomenclature into an election issue? The Clinton sent out a press release this week, quoting Clinton's press spokesman ("'Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor...,' Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said."), and saying Obama had inflated his credentials:

Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor.

Obviously the Clinton campaign should now withdraw this statement. But I doubt they will.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/03/professor_obama.html

[dchill]

99. I truly admire your indefatigable ability...

to nitpick under deadly sniper fire. "Served as a professor" is good enough for me. Who is the real liar, here?

[Johnny__Motown]

105. So, if a running back lines up as a receiver and runs a route and catches a pass he was not a

receiver?




And if he talks about being a receiver on that play he is a liar?

[Leopolds Ghost]

133. Correct. He is insulting the honor of all true receivers with that remark.

:hi:

[SOS]

112. From the University of Chicago statement:

"Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors."

From the Obama bio on his web site:

"He went on to earn his law degree from Harvard in 1991, where he became the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. Soon after, he returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer and teach constitutional law."

This bullsh!t was also item #10 on the RNC smear sheet released in August 2007.
RNC caught lying again!

[NDambi]

127. Ha Ha...wonder if he had to undergo sniper fire to enter the school

[Tellurian]

130. Yes, you're right.I've heard him call himself Professor..

[Tesha]

154. No, you're the dissembler, grasping at straws to support your pathetically weak argument. (NT)

[DarienComp]

3. Yeah, this is the item that will change people's minds.

By all means, keep going.

:eyes:

[OzarkDem]

15. Honesty and integrity mean a lot to voters

you would be wise to keep that in mind, as would Obama.

[DarienComp]

21. Sorry, I can't hear you

over all the sniper-fire.

[WillyT]

24. LOL !!! - Good One !!!

:yourock:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

33. try this:

mirror mirror, on the wall
who's most honest of them all?
sniping words are over the Hill
deceitful, spite-filled, driven by Bill

Okay, that's lame.
But so is her campaign. The thing is, the few remaining supporters who pull that kind of shit out of their asses have as little sense of reality and shame as their chosen one.

[sallyseven]

75. Millions of people have voted for her

and many more will thru this primary season. They of course are all wrong and you are all right. Be careful you might have to eat your words.

[dchill]

124. Millions of people voted for George W. Bush.

What's your point? You can fool some of the people all of the time? Won't get fooled again?

[nolabels]

192. The CONS mantra: You can fool the fools all of the time

Cheap P.C.s and internet connections has been the antiseptic for republicans and their campaigns of disinformation

[Starbucks Anarchist]

35. Zing!

:rofl:

[Debi]

43. OMG

:rofl:

[NDambi]

132. Uh oh!!!

[EnviroBat]

181. Good one.

How the hell can they even bring up honesty and integrity in any sentence with Hillary's name attached to it?


:rofl:

[Forkboy]

22. Doesn't seem to mean much to you.

[DearAbby]

23. Honesty and integrity mean a lot to voters

Oh certainly, like the whopper of lies Clinton has told...being against Nafta, saving Ireland, and Courage under fire, at snipergate....and more, that kind of honesty and integrity?

[Bicoastal]

41. Let's not forget being publicly for the war, and then LYING about it years later!

And THEN using the same twisted semantics (of the "definition of is" variety) to claim that a guy who has publicly been against the war since 2002 really WASN'T.

That's been a real eye-opener for me, personally.

[DearAbby]

148. indeed

thanks for bringing that to our attention

[VolcanoJen]

26. "Honesty and integrity mean a lot to voters"

[City Lights]

38. OMG!

:rofl:

[Kukesa]

150. That's a hoot, Jen! n/t

[DarienComp]

155. nice.

:applause:

[EnviroBat]

184. Holy shit! You owe me a new keyboard!

[bevoette]

how on EARTH could a Clinton supporter use that line and not have their head explode??

seriously :wtf:

[Moochy]

156. Special headgear

they are fitted at birth.

[goletian]

164. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA, and you support hillary? LOL - nt

[MattBaggins]

167. Correct

Lies can come back to snipe you right in the behind.

[Vinca]

4. Oh good. Post #7,000 on this topic. Sorry - we figured this one out already. nt

[ClassWarrior]

9. LET IT SINK - it's all they've got.

Supporters of the presumptive nominee don't need to sink to the level of the spoiler's defenders.

NGU.

[OzarkDem]

12. Obama loves GOP foreign policy and political tactics

we have plenty.

[Mezzo]

176. just look at Harry and Louise. nt

[ClassWarrior]

42. LET IT SINK - as you can see from post #12, it's all they've got.

NGU.

[MH1]

51. Oh, I think it's nice to remind people that Obama taught Constitutional Law

at an elite law school.

I mean give me a friggin' break, no one cares who called him "professor" and who didn't. And for some insane person who actually thinks somehow that crosses the threshold of "lie", well that person ain't voting for Hillary either. If they do in fact care so awful much about "honesty".

[ClassWarrior]

60. You have a good point.

Actually the Tonya defenders have started quite a few threads today that promote Obama-positive memes. And they're kicking 'em like crazy...

:rofl:

NGU, my friend. NGU.

[Swamp Rat]

10. This does not help Hillary Clinton's campaign.

2¢ from this academician.

[Moochy]

67. Yeah but you are no PROFESSOR!!!!11111

LIES!!! all around me, to the left of me, to the right of me! only the Goddess of Peace and her truthiness will save us from Obama, and his cultists on ponies! :silly:

[mythyc]

87. cultists on pony, oh no you didn't

:rofl:

[redqueen]

162. ,

:spray:

Cultists on ponies... <3

[merh]

11. And I still don't know where his campaign has said he

held a professor of law title. Every bio I can find makes the distinction that he was a senior lecturer. The UC says he served as a professor.

Could you provide me a link to his claim otherwise that seems to give fuel to your obsession?

[sallyseven]

83. Look at his bio. Web Page unless he changed it.

[merh]

94. Its not there.

Please provide me some link where Obama has called himself a tenured professor - you do realize that is the issue, don't you?

Teaching law, serving as a professor, is what he did.

[cliffordu]

13. Oh, Snap!!!

I THOUGHT I smelled a little duMP'r around here someplace.....Kinda gives me the freeps, I mean the creeps.....

Maybe if I took a laxative......

:hurts:

Ah, all better now.

[BlooInBloo]

14. The entire University of Chicago lies about THEIR OWN titles! What fuckers!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

25. THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO IS DEAD TO ME!!1!!1 n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

32. Wait what about my son at UC? He only lies about getting drunk?

Can we just have one survivor?

[EnviroBat]

190. EXacTlY! I the University of Chicago gets the nomination ---

I'M VOTING FOR McCain! So THERE! WWAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa *

[yewberry]

17. This has been settled. Try to keep up.

From a post last Friday:

Today, the University of Chicago released the following statement:

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5304029&mesg_id=5304029

[kwenu]

19. Absolutely correct. So UC-Law is like every other law school in the U.S.

[OzarkDem]

29. Note the linked article dated today

:kick:

[merh]

And that article says what everyone has been saying to you

Do you have anything positive to say?

Can you tell us about Hillary's foreign policy?

How about tell us why her health care plan is better than Obama's?

Tell us why she is a good candidate, discuss the issues and use facts.

Try the high road.

[OzarkDem]

36. We've already discussed those things

and have found Obama's policies lacking. Even Edwards agrees, re Obama's health care reform policies. And what do Obama supporters do? They attack Edwards.

[merh]

48. No we haven't

You have run from them - when the truth is presented, when your positions of fact and certainty debunked, you run. Your back up has come in and tried to score points, but they don't do any better than you do.

You claimed to know hillary's plan and attacked me for my concerns regarding garnishments, accused me of being a GOP operative. BUT, when presented with her own words stating that garnishments would be part of the regulatory process you never apologized, you simply continued the personal attacks and ran.

Someone posts an article about comments made by annoymous sources and you claim it as some basis in fact while you ignore the poster that attacked Elizabeth Edwards and referred to her as unstable.

Please don't play games with me, I may not comment in all the threads but I do read a good many and I see the games you and others like to play. The "gotcha" games are pathetic and your candidate oft has the same position that you damn Obama for.

Hell, Hillary lists Reagan as one of her mostest favorite prezzies on her own campaign website, yet you attack Obama - it is just tiresome and pathetic.

[OzarkDem]

71. Has Edwards endorsed Obama?

I happen to know a lot more about the health care reform debate going on within the party than you.

The fact that Edwards hasn't endorsed Obama or even said anything complimentary about his health care reform plan speaks volumes.

You also have no crediblity on the issue when you choose to use GOP talking points to discuss it, either.

[merh]

89. LOL - has Edwards endorsed Hillary?

The fact that Edwards hasn't endorsed Clinton despite the fact that she stole his health care plan speaks volumes, don't you think?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/20/clinton-ripped-off-edwards%E2%80%99-health-care-plan-says-wife/

And of course, we can't forget what Edwards had to say about Hilllary's experience, now can we.

In his address to a union group, the former North Carolina senator repeatedly pointed to Clinton's failed efforts to win health care reform in the 1990s during her husband administration.

"The cost of that failure 14 years ago is not just somebody's political fortune or their scars," he said. "It's the millions of Americans who have now gone for almost 15 years without health care."

Clinton, a New York Democrat, unveiled her health care plan in Iowa just a few hours after speaking earlier in Chicago to the same group, the Laborers' International Union of North America.

With the number of uninsured Americans growing dramatically since the early 1990s, Edwards pointed to a proposal passed by the Clinton White House that remains unpopular with unions.

"We didn't get universal health care, but we got ," he said. "We need universal health care. We didn't need NAFTA."

Edwards suggested Clinton is unable to reform the health care industry because she has failed to accept his challenge not to accept any contributions from federal lobbyists.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/edwards_hammers_clinton_on_hea.html

You have no credibility at all when you accuse others of using GOP talking points that are not talking points but the truth about her health care reform plan as supported by her very own words in that video I provided you in the other thread. You cannot deny her words so you attack me.

Attacking me gets you nowhere and it makes it appear that you are just an angry, desperate person. Debate the issues, stick to the facts, post the positives and stop the gotcha games and the hate filled posts and maybe, just maybe you may make some head way.

All you do now is post silly stuff that makes others go out to verify and in so doing, they find your candidate is of the same position and/or has done the same damn thing. Like with the Reagan crap. Hillary has posted on her website that Reagan is one of her favorite presidents. You don't bother to check her stance on the man, you simply go on the attack and assault Obama for his comments about Reagan and Bush I. That only opened the gates to truly looking into Clinton's policies, shining the light on how it was his foreign policy that laid the ground work and gave the Bush II admin leverage to invade Iraq. It hurts Clintons' legacy and that splashes all over your candidate.

So again, stick to the positive and the facts, if you can.

[dchill]

126. "I happen to know a lot more about..."

the health care reform debate..." Oh? What do you know about SCHIP? Who got it passed?

[Mooney]

57. It seems more like they attack you.

I don't see a lot of Obama people here attacking Edwards at all.

[NDambi]

135. You have more moves than this guy....

lmao1

[kwenu]

18. Can't speak for the University of Chicago Law School but I can assure you that

in virtually every other accredited U.S. law school he would be titled "adjunct professor" if he taught a law school class. There really is no dispute over that fact. Most people don't know that that lawyers hold doctoral degrees.

[Forkboy]

20. You need help. Quick, drastic help.

[alteredstate]

27. Your pettiness knows no bounds.

I think most people are willing to accept the University of Chicago's statement that "From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School."

Unless they're petty as hell.

Why don't you spend your time doing something meaningful -- like volunteering for your candidate?

[Changenow]

28. This is VERY good news

The Clinton people think people care if his title was officially lecturer when his students called him professor. It's all they have!

In high school once he only tipped 10%, even though he was provided was good service, because he was broke. Jump on that!

[flor de jasmim]

30. MORE DEBUNKING...

Found in the comments below the cited article:

Webster's definitions of “professor”
“One who professed, or publicly teaches, any science or branch of learning; especially, an officer in a university, college, or other seminary, whose business it is to read lectures, or instruct students, in a particular branch of learning … someone who is a member of the faculty at a college or university”

Obama taught law, lectured and was listed among the faculty at the University of Chicago Law School.

Obama graduated magnacum laude from Harvard. He was President of the Harvard Law Review. Harvard Professor of constitutional law, Laurence Tribe described Obama as one of the top two law students he ever had during his 37 years. Those are very strong qualifying academic credentials for any law professor. Obama taught constitutional law which isn’t exactly paralegal/defending parking tickets low level legal curriculum.

I looked at old faculty and student blogs written prior to this “controversy” and they referred to him as “Professor Obama”. At the end of his final year, the law students gave Obama the second highest ratings over the entire faculty of University of Chicago Law School. This isn’t resume padding. As the university rightfully maintains, Obama was a very qualified and very capable law professor.

ALSO NOT CITED IN THIS ARTICLE, BUT IN OTHER ARTICLES I HAVE SEEN ON THIS SUBJECT:

Obama was offered the position of PROFESSOR by the U of C but said he was not interested in teaching full-time.

[OzarkDem]

Take it up with the Chicago Sun Times

Their reporter disagrees with your spin, but I'm sure they're willing to let you make your case.

[PatGund]

84. I would say that....

the viewpoint of the University - you know, the one Sen. Obama TAUGHT at, trumps the opinion of the reporter. It IS their school after all.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

31. This is hilarious

Keep trying. :rofl:

[bunnies]

34. This is the dumbest pissing match of this entire primary season.

I cant imagine anything being more petty than this.

[MH1]

54. I think it's hilarious

no seriously.

Keep reminding people of Obama's serious cred in Constitutional Law. :D

[bunnies]

76. non-professors dont count.

:P :hi:

[Debi]

39. Once again - brought to you by the Clinton Campaign - It slices, it dices

it minces, it parses....


Ignore the massive unpaid debt of the Clinton campaign, or the not yet released tax returns, or her flip flopping on debates.....

[JayFredMuggs]

I need to get my vegamatic out again!!

Let's make sure those Hillary supporters continue to ignore Hillary's lies about Bosnia.

She's landing under sniper fire in Bosnia, and poor Professor Obama, back in Chicago, was not a full time Professor, yeah, that evens things out, doesn't it?

[Debi]

81. She also doesn't pay her bills ...

but we'll ignore that :crazy:

[Dr. Strange]

158. Next up: JFK is a LIAR!

"Ich bin ein Berliner"

The Clinton campaign has recently uncovered evidence that President Kennedy was, in fact, NOT a Berliner; indeed, he NEVER lived in Germany!

[mckara]

40. Professor Means Teacher...

And Obama taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago.

So Shut-up and get a life!

[BlooInBloo]

53. Even better: professor at U Chi means whatever U Chi says it means.

[Lisa0825]

44. Grapsing . At . Straws .

:eyes:

[kitfalbo]

45. hmm

Hillbots better squash this quick, this might help him with any of those people who are prejudiced against higher education or profs.

[GoldieAZ49]

47. no surprise

his thin resume doesn't hold up

[tyne]

52. I see....

Let's be reminded of what some of Obama's former students and colleagues said about the "Professor"...

>
"The professors generally use the 'Socratic method' in every class," said Andrew Janis, an '05 grad practicing labor law at Simpson Thacher & Bartlett in New York. The Socratic method involves teaching by asking questions, frequently catching students off-guard, like Professor Kingsfield in the 1973 movie "The Paper Chase."
But Obama was very different than the average University of Chicago lecturer, say former students the Sun-Times tracked down at random.

"Classes were often just a forum for the professor to express his or her opinion about these issues and for the students to agree with everything the professor says. But his wasn't that kind of class. He is much more interested in hearing what the students have to say," said Thomas Fitzgibbon, an '04 grad working as a litigator at McGuire Woods in Chicago.

"He didn't just cold-call people all the time," Janis said. "He was willing to be engaged. A lot of time with faculty members, you know what point of view they're coming from. He would rarely say, 'This is what I think.' He kind of had a mysterious air to him because you didn't know what his position was on all these issues."
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/253391,CST-NWS-prof12.article

[GoldieAZ49]

62. still true today:

"a mysterious air to him because you didn't know what his position was on all these issues."

[OzarkDem]

80. The shape shifter

as the lobbyists in DC call him. Just another cheap date, willing to tell you whatever you want to hear.

[JayFredMuggs]

63. What are you reading?

Thin resume?

Where did you see THAT?

Oh, maybe the graduation Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law, one of the three brightest students of world renown Professor Lawrence Tribe, teaching constitutional law at a major Midwest law school, working as a lawyer and organizer for the poor, winning a state elected position and being re-elected several times, all the while teaching part time to supplement his family's income, running for US Senate, being keynote speaker at the 2004 Dem convention, not very impressive is it?? I know, Hillary was warding off sniper fire in Bosnia. Much more impressive.

[MH1]

49. By all means, please keep highlighting the fact that Obama

TAUGHT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO.

You may as well also mention that Obama was elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

How did Hillary's first bar exam go?

[LaurenG]

55. Where are the good things your candidate has done. It seems to me you aren't for anyone but

against Obama who you can't find any thing relevant to your hatred for. Get a grip and post something positive.

[OzarkDem]

61. Health care reform, economic policy

foreign policy, Clinton is head and shoulders above Obama in these categories.

[JayFredMuggs]

65. She did all this as first lady?

What was accomplished in that health care area by Hillary?

Foreign policy? Oh wait, she shuttled around the world and accepted flowers from children.

Economic issues?

Care to list her accomplishments or shall we just go back and talk about her landing in sniper fire once again.
By the way, where did HILLARY teach Constitutional Law, and how did her first bar exam go?

[tyne]

70. Let's check:

Health care reform? Total bust.

Economic policy? She's broke and in debt to about a hundred small businesses.

Foreign policy? Do we really need to go there?

[JayFredMuggs]

115. Brilliant summary of Hillary's "career"

Thanks for that! And really, that's about as complete a summary as you can ever get. It's a wonder how so many people keep supporting her, day after day, week after week, month after month, as she continues to show us she's NOWHERE NEAR READY ON DAY ONE!!!

[NDambi]

136. Then why isn't she winning?

[grantcart]

58. waste of time now my 4th ignore

[Lucky 13]

59. OzarkDem, can you please answer this?

Ok I'd honestly like to know....

How can you honestly be going after Obama for using the word "professor" vs. "lecturer" and quibbling over the word "SERVED"? Especially after the BLATANT lies your candidate told about Bosnia?! SHE LIED. BIG TIME LIED. About stuff that is actually IMPORTANT.

Hill's campaign complaining about "professor vs. lecturer" after the FIASCO of snipergate is like ROLLING in PIG SHIT and then mocking Obama for having some mustard on his tie after lunch.

You're right about one thing. Americans do care about Honesty and Integrity. So what do you say about the poll that found 57% of Americans find Hillary "untrustworthy"?

After snipergate, how can YOU find her "trustworthy" and "honest"? Because for me to believe that would require an enormous suspension of disbelief or mental illness. It seems to me that she lies as naturally as she breathes.

[tyne]

64. More from my link...

"It certainly is an advantage that he really knows the Constitution of the United States," said Professor Cass Sunstein. "I don't know if we have had a president that knows as much about the founding document as he does."

Nice, eh?

[JayFredMuggs]

73. Brilliant post

I'd sure love to see answers to those questions from any Hillary supporter here, starting with the OzarkDem.

[Moochy]

78. Doubt you'll get any reply... OP has the truth on ignore

[dchill]

106. This is not Hill's campaign...

This is OzarkDem's campaign. It's a tribute to the utter projection of the "official" HRC Campaign. OzarkDem is engaged in a pitiful attempt to carry water for Her Highness.

[Lucky 13]

113. OZARKDEM or ANY OTHER HILLARY SUPPORTER... are you out there?

WHY can't you have an intellectual discourse? Why, when someone asks you legitimate questions about your candidate do all we hear is crickets?

[Cheap_Trick]

66. how sad

THIS is the best you twerps can come up with?! Really? I guess when your hail mary of pastorbating didn't work like you'd hoped, you'll try any junk play you can. I guess you'll be back to the "Obama is a Muslim" e-mails soon. :eyes: sad AND desperate.

[DemGa]

69. So BO claims the title, though he never actually held it

"I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution."

Well, the Senator must know this sort of thing is NOT taken lightly in academia. This rounds out the plagiarism of Deval Patrick nicely.

[Name removed]

72. Deleted message

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[JayFredMuggs]

79. There is nothing untruthful about that statement.

The University of Chicago Law School CONFIRMS that he "served as Professor of Constitutional Law"...

How on earth do you folks make comments like this and equate it with plagiarism, when Deval P GAVE him the lines, and the U of Chicago GAVE him the job of Professor of Constitutional Law?

You Hillary supporters ought to look at Hillary's LIES and repeat them to yourselves in the mirror, for a good laugh.

[Mezzo]

175. seems like it. And their "proof" that he was is an UNSIGNED statement.

I mean, puh-LEEEZE.

[mythyc]

77. yeah, ozark, the prestigous University of Chicago's wrong and you're right

don't you have anything better to do than keep spewing this petty desperation :eyes: you're drooling, and it's very unbecoming.

(reposting this from the last time someone tried to fill DU with this vapid hot air) :

As a career academic I can tell you I have met a 100% consensus at the 5 establishments of higher education I've taught at and the 6 I've attended among both Faculty and Staff, among Administration and colleagues, that if you hold a doctorate degree, such as a PhD, MD, ScD, EngD etc, then you may be called, nay deserve to be addressed with the distinction of 'professor.' Barack Obama earned his J.D. from Harvard, an advanced doctorate law degree, which automatically entitles him to be called professor by his colleagues, students, etc. Before harping on the point, check to see whether your semantic tight rope is wound too tight: there is a difference between the job title "Professor" (more often listed as "Associate Prof." or "Assistant Professor"; add to this the University of Chicago's own statement that it offered Obama that full-time tenure track "Professor" position and he turned it down) and the job status "professor". The former is a tenured, lifetime educator whereas the latter is a non-tenured lecturer who still holds ALL the distinctions in education and experience but for one reason or another does not pursue the tenure itself. Before quaking any further simply go look it fucking up; any good dictionary will list both definitions for the term "professor". Or, better yet (this'll be good for a laugh), call your local University, ask to speak to the chair of any department. hell, call 2 or 3. Tell them you have a part time-non tenure track doctorate-holder in a class and you want to know if it's a breach of title and trust (what you're accusing Obama of) to call him or her Professor Blank. Please record the conversation(s), and post them back here.

:rofl:

Seriously now, we know you won't do anything resembling that, not even simply go to a (real) dictionary to see if you've got a point or are simply talking out of your ass. We're all used to your posts, and are well aware that you won't even bother to look into the matter not just for yourself but for the sake of everyone you want to beat over the head with your inflammatory viewpoint. No, a few seconds of research to determine that you're making a credible claim, is too much to ask when it's so much easier to gleefully pound those keys and post what the fuck ever on some internets board woo hoo. Easier to Freep and mindlessly xerox whatever precious Hillary's propaganda machine plugs into your head.... That's so much easier than being (gasp!) accountable or responsible for what you have to say ummmkay.

.

As far as the use of the term "professor" goes, Obama earned it the moment he stepped into a classroom to teach as a Doctorate holder. Anyone who disputes this point is either ignorant or has a biased bone to pick. PERIOD.

[LisaL]

86. You are clueless.

Title of "professor" is not "more often listed" as an associate professor or assistant professor.
New faculty members are hired as assistant professors, then they advance after several years to associate professors, and then they advance to full professor (if everything goes well with the process).
It appears to me Obama wasn't even an assistant professor, he was just a (senior) lecturer.

[stillcool]

95. Get a Clue...

University Of Chicago: Obama Was A Professor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/university-of-chicago-ob_n_93896.html
The Huffington Post | March 28, 2008 11:03 AM


Today, the University of Chicago released the following statement:

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

Professor Obama
The University of Chicago says that Obama is entitled to describe himself as a professor during his time teaching there
March 28, 2008 1:00 PM

Well here's a thing: after the Clinton campaign accused Barack Obama of falsely claiming to have been a professor at the University of Chicago, when he was merely a lecturer, it now turns out that he was indeed a professor - according to the University of Chicago.

In a press release issued today, the university's Law School explains:

From 1992 until his election to the US Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

What makes this utterly minor issue of nomenclature into an election issue? The Clinton sent out a press release this week, quoting Clinton's press spokesman ("'Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor...,' Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said."), and saying Obama had inflated his credentials:

Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor.

Obviously the Clinton campaign should now withdraw this statement. But I doubt they will.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/03/professor_obama.html

[LisaL]

100. He served as a professor or was regarded as a professor.

He never actually held a title of a professor.
It might not be a big deal in a campaign but I do wonder what people would say if Mr. Smith who was a senior lecturer was applying for jobs claiming he was a professor in his CV.

[stillcool]

138. Why don't you read the words...

as they appear on the page?

Professor Obama
The University of Chicago says that Obama is entitled to describe himself as a professor during his time teaching there
March 28, 2008 1:00 PM

Well here's a thing: after the Clinton campaign accused Barack Obama of falsely claiming to have been a professor at the University of Chicago, when he was merely a lecturer, it now turns out that he was indeed a professor - according to the University of Chicago.

In a press release issued today, the university's Law School explains:

From 1992 until his election to the US Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

What makes this utterly minor issue of nomenclature into an election issue? The Clinton sent out a press release this week, quoting Clinton's press spokesman ("'Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor...,' Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said."), and saying Obama had inflated his credentials:

Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor.

Obviously the Clinton campaign should now withdraw this statement. But I doubt they will.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/03/professor_obama.html

It seems neither will you

[Swamp Rat]

116. see post #109

n/t

[OzarkDem]

102. Take it up with the reporter

they investigated the story and I'll take their word for it. The reporter also points out how the University sort of "hedged" their statement.

Now that you mention it, I taught a class of nursing students in a seminar last week. Do I get to call myself Professor?

Thanks, just call me Professor OzarkDem, then.

[Moochy]

108. "I'll take their word for it."

Definition of a hypocrite, right in that post.

[Swamp Rat]

119. see post #114

:)

[Moochy]

122. Thanks Professor Swamp Rat!

good links, showing what a right-wing rag that newspaper is.

[Swamp Rat]

125. Thank goodness someone responded to my posts!

I was beginning to think a lot of folks have me on ignore. :D

[Swamp Rat]

118. See post #114

[mythyc]

140. do you (a) hold a doctorate (b) have a term contract and (c) teach it at a college or university:

If all three apply then of course. The moment you show me proof I'll call you (for the doctorate though, I'll only accept a posted scan of your N.D. degree).

...

I answered your question, now answer me this: I love how you're touting that reporter as the ultimate source, end-all-be-all authority and final word on terminology here (b/c we all know how trustworthy, well-reasoned, and knowledgeable the MSM is :sarcasm:). But when SwampRat makes the below point (post #109) about the title of Adjunct Professors being the standard for all law schools, all he gets is crickets; very convenient to ignore those who legitimately refute you (post #78 by Moochy: you have the truth on ignore). Here's a slew of sources to back up his point:

(just a baker's dozen, as a sample, there are many many many many more; did I mention many?)

Univ. of WI School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://law.wisc.edu/faculty/directory.php?iListing=Adjunct&iType=group (my god, 110 liars by your and your reporter's book on that list. and darn that school for lying too....)
Brooklyn Law School, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://www.brooklaw.edu/faculty/adjunct/ (133 sanctioned liars on this list)
NYU School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://its.law.nyu.edu/faculty/profiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=listings.adjunct
Univ. of Pittsburgh, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://www.law.pitt.edu/faculty/profiles/adjuncts
Mercer Univ. School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://www.law.mercer.edu/faculty/chooseprofile.cfm
New England School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://www.nesl.edu/faculty/adjunct.cfm
Georgetown Univ. School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/facinfo/list.cfm?Type=LLMAdjunct&Letter=G
Creighton Univ. (OK), Adjunct Professors of Law: http://law.creighton.edu/?adjunctfaculty
UCLA School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://www.law.ucla.edu/home/index.asp?page=2071
Texas Tech School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://www.lclark.edu/dept/eda/adjuncts.html
Univ. of MO School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://law.missouri.edu/faculty/adjunct-directory.html
Univ. of OR School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://www.law.uoregon.edu/faculty/directory-adjunct.php
Univ. of AZ School of Law, Adjunct Professors of Law: http://www.law.arizona.edu/Faculty/adjuncts.cfm

Sea to shining sea, red states blue states, north and south, mountains and plains. but your reporter is who to believe here... unquestionably.... irrefutably.... unreasonably and illogically.... like your candidate.... and you :eyes:

CHECK MAKE YOU DANG VARMINT.... :D

[mythyc]

194. just wanted to point out that 2 days letter --------> CRICKETS

not a word from ozark or another single Hillary supporter on this thread, or on Swamp Rat's post about the "Trustworthiness" of that reporter.

that's all you have to do to a Hillacious rabble rouser: throw a few facts their way and wait for the cricket chorus to crescendo

[60TrenchesGone]

91. This thread inspired a long response from me.

I drafted quite a long response to the attitude displayed by the OP here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5318026

[bigtree]

97. It's amazing how some folks on this thread are attacking you for an article you posted

. . . with someone else's opinion.

[Johnny__Motown]

103. Desperation looms... even when show that he served as a Professor you insist he wasn't one

My god, at least he didn't claim to bring peace to Ireland or dodge sniper fire


this is no longer sane, get help

[Lucinda]

104. Yup. I made the same point repeatedly just yesterday.

Thanks for the post!

[Swamp Rat]

109. OzarkDem, I know you want Hillary to win, but I believe this thread and others like it

do not help her campaign. They may cause more harm than good, albeit the impact is probably very small.

Nevertheless, it is your right to post them.

FYI: Barack Obama would hold the title "Adjunct Professor" at every accredited law school in the USA. In fact, according to two professors I asked this morning, and a State Supreme Court Nominee (on the phone with me a few minutes ago), Obama would be called "Adjunct Professor" at ANY university in ANY department.

[Oilwellian]

111. A Big Kick

For professor of constitutional law, Barack Obama. :D His credentials are impeccable. :patriot:

[Swamp Rat]

114. Let's not forget that Rupert Murdoch, before selling it to Conrad Black, transformed the Sun Times

into a right wing rag.

Chicago Sun-Times
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Chicago Sun-Times is an American daily newspaper published in Chicago.

(snip)

History

The Chicago Sun-Times is the oldest continuously published daily newspaper in the city. It began in 1844 as the Chicago Evening Journal<2> (which was the first newspaper to publish the rumor, now believed false, that a cow owned by Catherine O'Leary was responsible for the Chicago fire).<3> The Evening Journal, whose West Side building at 17-19 S. Canal was undamaged, gave the Chicago Tribune a temporary home until it could rebuild.<4> In 1929, the newspaper was relaunched as the Chicago Daily Illustrated Times.<2>

The modern paper grew out of the 1948 merger of the Chicago Sun, founded in 1941 by Marshall Field III, and the Chicago Daily Times. Before Rupert Murdoch, the newspaper was for a time owned by Field Enterprises, controlled by the Marshall Field family, who also owned WFLD channel 32 since its inception in 1966. During the Field period, the newspaper had a populist, progressive character that leaned Democratic but was independent of the city's Democratic establishment. Although the graphic style was urban tabloid, the paper was well-regarded for journalistic quality and did not rely on sensational front-page stories. It typically ran articles from the Washington Post/Los Angeles Times wire service.

In 1984 Field sold the paper to Rupert Murdoch's News Corp, and the paper's style changed abruptly toward that of its suitemate New York Post. Its front pages tended more to the sensational, and its political stance shifted toward Republican. This was in the era that the traditional Republican bulwark, the Chicago Tribune, was softening its positions, ending the city's clear division between the two newspapers' politics. This shift was made all but official when long-time Sun-Times columnist Mike Royko defected to the Tribune. However, on July 10, 2007 new editorial page editor, Cheryl Reed, announced that, "we are returning to our liberal, working-class roots, a position that pits us squarely opposite the Chicago Tribune—that Republican, George Bush-touting paper over on moneyed Michigan Avenue."<5>

After Murdoch sold the paper (to buy its former sister television station WFLD to launch the Fox network) the Sun-Times was acquired by Hollinger International, controlled, indirectly, by Canadian-born businessman Conrad Black. After Black and his associate David Radler were indicted for skimming money from Hollinger International, through retaining noncompete payments from the sale of Hollinger newspapers, they were removed from the board, and Hollinger International was renamed the Sun-Times Media Group.

In 2004, the Sun-Times was censured by the Audit Bureau of Circulations for misrepresenting its circulation figures.<6> As of April 2007, it had not yet resumed reporting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Sun-Times

____________________________

Sun-Times Media Group
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Hollinger International)

Sun-Times Media Group (until recently Hollinger International) NYSE: SVN is the holding company of a Chicago based newspaper group. Thirty percent (and 78% of the voting share) of the group is owned by Canadian based Hollinger Inc. - an 84% controlling stake was owned by controversial Canadian businessman Conrad Black through his Ravelston Corporation Limited. He attempted to sell this stake to the Barclay brothers in January 2004 and the brothers launched a takeover bid for the rest of Hollinger International. However the sale was blocked by a judge in the United States after the company's board lodged a court action against the sale. Ravelston is currently in receivership.

The Barclay brothers later bought The Telegraph Group which included The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Telegraph, and The Spectator. On November 16, 2004 the sale of The Jerusalem Post to Mirkaei Tikshoret, a Tel Aviv-based publisher of Israeli newspapers, was announced. CanWest Global Communications, Canada's biggest media concern, announced it has agreed to take a 50 percent stake in The Jerusalem Post after Mirkaei buys the property. In February, 2006, Hollinger sold substantially all of its Canadian assets.<1> The corporation's name was changed to Sun-Times Media Group on July 17, 2006.<2>

Assets now include the Chicago Sun-Times in the United States, and various suburban and neighborhood newspapers in the Chicago area, including the Post-Tribune of Northwest Indiana, the Pioneer Press group, the Daily Southtown, the Beacon News-Sun Publications group in the Aurora-Naperville area, The Star (Tinley Park), The Herald News (Joliet) and the Lake County News Sun. It also owns the Centerstage Chicago entertainment site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollinger_International

[CreekDog]

123. your breaking news is that he was a professor in the Law school not a professor of Law?

:spray:

:rofl:

:crazy:

you realize that 97% of people consider that a distinction without a difference doncha?

[caseycoon]

134. This horse is so dead

it has maggots on it.
Why are are you still pounding it?
:shrug:

[barb162]

186. It's a young colt. It's way less than a week old. And a good story

on lies.

[jody]

137. BO was an adjunct instructor, a duty performed by too many in universities who hate tenure tracks

for professors.

[JayFredMuggs]

144. But did you read that the University states he was offered a full

Professorship and turned it down?

No, you didn't bother to read that, did you?

[jody]

149. I don't believe they offered BO a position as Professor, perhaps assistant or associate but not full

In either case, BO was an adjunct just as I said and you confirmed by saying BO turned down an offer.

[pointsoflight]

141. You know it only hurts Hillary's campaign...

...to have this sort of ridiculous crap come out from Hillary supporters, don't you? Or did you not notice that the end result of the Wright the is that Obama's numbers are right back where they were and Hillary's numbers are down?

[OzarkDem]

142. Spare me the lectures

kettle, pot, black.

[JayFredMuggs]

145. You are making no sense.

Perhaps you need a course in logic. Hillary LIED about her trip to Bosnia with her daughter, accepting flowers from a child, claiming it was under sniper fire.

Where did Obama lie about his job at the U of Chicago?

Hillary supporters are running out of excuses and slams.

[mythyc]

146. I think in your case it's the dark helmet

kettle, helmet, black

:rofl:

[EffieBlack]

151. You left out a critical part of the University's statement:

"Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching."

There is a difference between being a "professor of law" and a "law professor." The former is a specific faculty rank while the latter is a general description of anyone teaching the law at a law school. Anyone who teaches law at a law school - whether as a a full professor of law, associate professor of law, assistant professor of law, adjunct professor of law or a lecturer - is appropriately called a "law professor."

An Associate Professor of Law canot properly call themselves a "Professor of Law" but is rightly called a "Law Professor." The same goes for an Assistant Professor of Law and a Lecturer. "Professor of Law" is a very distinct rank that signifies the holder is not only a "Law Professor" but that they are fully tenured.

In other words, all Professors of Law are Law Professors, but all Law Professors are not Professors of Law.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Obama calling himself a "law professor." In fact, it is completely appropriate and very common for someone in his position to be so labeled.

There's no there there.

[HamdenRice]

157. All U of C is saying is that he wasn't tenured

The terminology of law schools is indeed confusing. Assistant professors, associate professors, visiting professors, adjunct professors, and lecturers all are routinely called "law school professors," and are addressed by students and staff as "Professor X."

The "title of professor," refers to what is sometimes called "full professor," and just means "tenured professor". In other words, by "title," the school is saying that the formal job title is not, eg, "associate professor," the title is "professor."

In other words the "title of professor" means that the formal title is professor with no modifier, like "associate" or "visiting."

If your title is just "professor" that means you are tenured. Obama never claimed to be tenured.

If your title is "associate professor of law" you are still "a professor of law," even though your formal title is not "professor of law."

This is a really stupid thread, like all the other phony threads on this topic, and it irritates me that to explain it, I have given this stupidity a kick.

[DefenseLawyer]

159. This is so petty

Anyone who taught a class in my law school was referred to as "professor". I don't recall ever bothering to find out which of my professors were tenured or not. No one is denying that he taught the classes. For this to be an issue Obama would have had to have said he taught at a law school but really he taught basket weaving at an old folks home. The difference between "Lecturer" and "Professor" is not the same as the difference between sniper fire and poetry. This is the lamest gotcha ever.

[redqueen]

166. Well said. (nt)

[PresidentObama]

160. Kinda like no "sniper fire in Bosnia" for Hillary?

[wowimthere]

161. This is petty... He taught somebody something at the University of Chicago. End of discussion.

[PresidentObama]

165. Yep he didn't make anything about his time in Bosnia. LOL.

[madrchsod]

169. he did`t have to make up a bosnian story because he was there!

he was making 12,000 a year teaching law as a community organizer while smoking dope and snort`n with his good pal rezko while watching rev wright condemn america. did i miss anything? :woohoo:

[PresidentObama]

172. Oh and his wife hates America, remember? LOL.

[MethuenProgressive]

168. Just one more of Obama's many lies.

[graywarrior]

170. Can you list all of them, please?

[barb162]

183. That could take a few months easy.

[graywarrior]

193. Show me what you've got.

Give me five.

[PresidentObama]

173. He needs to make one up about being shot at in a foreign country. Oh wait...Already been covered...

[madrchsod]

174. "Liar, Liar....

pants on fire.
Hold them up
with a telephone wire"

you can`t trust him to tell the truth!



:rofl:

[mkultra]

177. pot ..meet Mr kettle

Kettle...pot.

[mkultra]

178. Once again. HRC loses IRL

[DemVet]

180. So he WASN'T a professor

Another lie for Obama

[dchill]

188. You don't actually READ anything but HRC...

campaign press releases, do you? This OP is COMPLETELY false. Read the thread.

[readmoreoften]

182. He was an adjunct right after grad school like most of us.

Hope he was paid well.

[Hepburn]

187. If you tried,

could you be any more full of **it? This is one of the all time dumbest OPs I have ever read on any message board.

HE WAS A PROFESSOR ~~ DEAL WITH IT, OK?

Just curious....:eyes:

[ekwhite]

189. I'm sorry, but this seems like a minor point to me

"Served as a professor" could very well mean taught. Even if there was a bit of puffery there, it is pretty much a tempest in a teapot.

Edit:

This thread is pathetic. Clinton supporters claiming "Obama is a liar"!! Obama supporters responding, "NO!! Clinton is a liar"!!!!

This is turning into middle school taunts and name-calling.

[TexanDem]

191. FactCheck: U of Chicago itself regards him "professor"

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html

"His formal title was "senior lecturer," but the University of Chicago Law School says he "served as a professor" and was "regarded as" a professor."

"Furthermore, Obama was not merely an "instructor" as Phil Singer stated. As a "senior lecturer," Obama was in good company: The six other faculty members with the title include the associate dean of the law school and Judge Richard Posner, who is widely considered to be one of the nation's top legal theorists."

"We agree that details matter, and also that the formal title of "professor" is not lightly given by academic institutions. However, on this matter the University of Chicago Law School itself is not standing on formality, and is siding with Obama."

[Texas Hill Country]

196. of course they are, but i know lots of professors that are calling BS.

It is not the same thing... at all.

[TexanDem]

197. Dear lord, this is silly! If even profs disagree, then who cares!!!

IMHO!

[Texas Hill Country]

195. the difference between lecturer and professor in academia is HUGE

that is like saying that you are an futures broker, but you are actually a bookie.


REALLY big difference.


and that would make Hillary a Con Law professor too then... so bully for them.

[Stuckinthebush]

198. This gets high marks on the idiotic campaign crap scale

Honestly, this doesn't matter. Not one bit.

Cut the shit and talk about important stuff.

Jesus, when will this damn primary season be over so the foolishness can stop?

[JayFredMuggs]

199. Haven't the Hillary folks grasped on this flimsy straw long enough?

University of Chicago answered this long ago.

He was a "PROFESSOR"

End of issue.

[Stuckinthebush]

201. Hell, I'm adjunct at a major university

My doctoral students call me "professor".

We all know that I don't hold the title "Full Professor", but I do hold the title "Adjunct Professor". In academia, if you are a doctor (which a JD is) then you are called "professor".

The foolishness of this issue is mind boggling.

[mythyc]

200. MY FAVORITE KICK AS A DUer: hey Hillary drones, what say you to this:

good ole Media Matters (http://mediamatters.org/items/200804010005?lid=197457&rid=6120443) found the Internet Archive screen shot, and there he is, listed as a professor: