My wife: Clinton Me: Obama

[Red Knight]

I wonder how many other people on the board are living in divided households concerning the election. I've seen a few yards with Clinton and Obama signs so I suppose we are far from alone.

We don't fight about it. She states her position and I state mine. We both realize that there isn't a hairswidth worth of idfference policywise between them and in the general election we will support the nominee.

I am amazed that 28 percent of Clinton supporters and 19 percent of Obama supporters would vote for McCain in the general if their candidate lost. What--exactly--does that accomplish? It's an emotional reaction, not a carefully thought out vote.

People who vote on pure emotion aren't doing this country any favors anyway. Yes--emotion is a huge part of politics, but at the end of the day, considering the problems we face, the fact that some people would turn this over four more years to the Republicans for some angry backlash or an even more frightening plan that their candidate could run in four years against McCain is just madness.

We can't afford four more Republican years---especially John McCain warhawk years. It's insanity. If this party has lost its mind than it's truly game over.

I hope most of this is just talk. I hope that when we get to the general election people will vote against the Republicans--even if that means holding their nose to do it.

We simply don't have the luxury of anger here.

Not now.

[Mags]

1. I think voting on emotion is Barry's supporters. You know

getting all worked in the begining of Yes we can, change, unity etc. His cheerleading and chants. Hillary's supporters are going on issues. Yes I agree voting on emotion is just dumb.

[gateley]

4. "Barry?" How old are you? nt

[Mags]

8. I am 58 . I have used Barrack Hussein Obama, that was not permitted

I have used BHo , that was not permitted, so just what is your problem with Barry?

[EmilyAnne]

12. Oh you poor thing, you. How ever do you make it through the day with that giant cross on your back?

[Mags]

28. Don't poor thing me, Barry's days in the sun are numbered

If Hillary doesn't take him out of the game, McCain will.

[EmilyAnne]

32. I just don't understand why you dislike him so much. Why would you be happy for McCain to win over

Obama? I would be devastated if Hillary lost to McCain.

[Mags]

40. I don't believe a word of that.

[EmilyAnne]

42. Then your problem is purely personal and it distorts your view of other people, other democrats and

probably the whole world. You have no reason to not believe that I wouldn't be devastated by a McCain win. It seems, then, that you have a bizarre persecution complex. You are Hillary Clinton and, since everyone is against you, everyone must also be against Hillary. Furthermore, people who have decided that they prefer Barack Obama to Hillary have committed an unforgivable crime against you, personally. Its bizarre.

[Mags]

47. Oh, no, I just think you folks have trashed Hillary so much

that you have no ground to come back and support Hillary. It's not against me, it is the character of the people that have condemned, trashed and ridiculed Hillary, Why should anyone believe other wise?

[anonymous171]

48. Oh, so now we're not GOOD ENOUGH to support Clinton? Geez, it's getting more like a cult everyday.

[Mags]

51. oh, get over it, you know you would never vote Hillary, so why continue to play the game.

[EmilyAnne]

52. Well, that's not true. I would vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. I would even canvass and

phonebank for her if she is the nominee. There is too much at stake for the "game" that you are talking about. I've already been to one too many memorial services for a young person (my cousin 19) who died in Iraq. Watching the heartbreak of my family is too much. I am not playing a game and I hope that all the dems snap out of it, let go of their personal problems, and get behind the dem nominee.

[gateley]

34. "If Hillary doesn't take him out of the game, McCain will.:

And people like you. You must be proud.

[Kukesa]

31. ROFL! Good one. n/t

[gateley]

13. What is your problem with just plain old "Obama"? We know who you mean.

My problem with "Barry" is that is not what he goes by anymore. My brother insisted we stop calling him Johnny and call him John when he turned 18.

[Mags]

29. God, how many names has the guy gone with? What's the big deal?

[gateley]

33. Two.

Just like my brother and millions of other men and women -- the endearment when you're a kid, your real name when you reach adulthood. And you've got miles to go.

[flor de jasmim]

5. It sounds like you have not taken the time to listen to any of the town hall meetings.

[Mags]

10. why would I want to do that?

[EmilyAnne]

24. So you can make an informed decision? Maybe...? I have listened to Hillary's speeches, town hall

meetings and interviews for that same reason, Mags.

[Mags]

26. I can hardly stand to see him on TV, with his arrogance, much listen to him

sorry.

[Red Knight]

35. This is the problem

You can't hear anything he's saying when you're gripped with that sort of anger. I'd bet you even agree with him on a few things. I'd bet you agree with him on more things than you agree on McCain with. I'd bet if Hillary were not running you would not have those emotions.

I don't and won't allow myself to hate Hillary. My anger is reserved for the forces of the right who have brought this country to its knees. If Clinton wins I'll even phone bank for her. I'll do what I have to to take back the White House. And yet....I will run into this anger even than, and it won't be pretty.

I wonder what happens to the anger when McCain invades Iran. Somehow I can see either Clinton or Obama taking the rap for that by people like you. Blind emotion is not reason. It's no way to pull this country out of this dark hole. Whoever wins this nomination will need the support of this country in a big way to start healing the damage done by Bush. It won't be easy. In some ways it's an impossible job.

But people like you don't seem to care about any of that.

You would just as soon the country burn if YOUR candidate doesn't win.

I think that's insanity.

As you can see I was a Kucinich supporter. He had very real differences on policy between himself and Obama and Clinton. But I am not going to throw it all away because he isn't the candidate. There is far too much at stake.

I hope you'll get over the anger and think about the future generation and what we'll leave them. If you really think about that and still decide that you would rather see a rightwinger win this election than you never cared to begin with.

[Mags]

37. Not anger, I just don't waste my time on arrogant people

[splat]

6. Sports and politics are acceptable subjects for male emotion

[merh]

36. I've yet to read a post by any of the HRC supporters that deals

with the issues, they are all negative posts against Obama.

I'm truly waiting on someone to take the time to tell us about her policies.

[Arkansas Granny]

43. It has become almost impossible to post a thread dealing with issues or anything positive

about Senator Clinton without a number of the more ardent Obama supporters trashing it and turning it into a flamefest. Clinton supporters are vastly outnumbered on this forum which has made it a very uncomfortable place for them to be at times.

There has been a lot of animosity from supporters of both candidates and it has caused a lot of hard feelings. I hope that once the nominee has been declared this will be put behind us and that we will all work together to defeat John McCain.

[merh]

54. I join you in the hopes that once we have a nominee the bad feelings

will be behind us. I don't say I have much faith that will happen.

[DerekJ]

55. Some will trash, most will read.

[pdxmom]

41. Yet emotion is exactly what you're basing your opinion on. As you note

up thread, you won't listen to anything Obama has to say because you "don't waste your time on arrogant people". That is a wholly emotional and subjective reason to vote for or against anyone. Therefore, your vote, by your own admission, is dumb.

[AllentownJake]

45. Plink Plink

Duck sniper fire.

[Hippo_Tron]

53. Emotion is how you win general elections

Obama and Clinton are virtually identical on issues. Democrats may like Clinton better but if they do vote on issues, and I believe they do, they will vote for Obama in the GE. Meanwhile the swing voters vote based on how they feel about a candidate. That's why they voted for Bush in 2004.

Obama is the one who can play on emotion and that is crucial.

[splat]

2. Boys vs. girls is the story the pundit media is missing, 'cause they're mostly boys

[gateley]

3. "We simply don't have the luxury of anger here. Not now."

ESPECIALLY not now. We're on the brink -- this isn't a 'normal' time in our history. It's crucial to the survival of our country that we don't let another Rep administration take hold.

[Jersey Devil]

7. Actually, my wife was for Obama before I was

I supported Edwards. Her brother, who lives in SC, sent her a DVD of Obama's speech at the 2004 Convention and she made up her mind right then and there she wanted Obama for President.

[enigmatic]

9. "People who vote on pure emotion aren't doing this country any favors anyway"

Yep.

I'm sick of this shit, man. I'd take the over the top hysterical invectives to both of them here a little more seriously if I didn't know that past actions of a good chunk of the posters regarding "heroes" on DU were not only dismissed but trashed the moment a new hero or political savior appeared.

Anybody remember Paul Hackett? Despite not only being way to the left of him and w/ a record that matched Kucinich, Sherrod Brown was called much the same that Hillary is called now by alot of the same people supporting Obama, simply because he was against the Iraq war (as was Brown)and was a Iraq war vet.

The things said about Brown during that time sickened me, so this doesn't shock me, I'm sad to say.

Great post.

[tammywammy]

11. You know, I sat in an arena with a whole bunch of dems yesterday

I even, gasp, sat by a Hillary supporter for like 4 hours yesterday. Not 1 fight! We got along the whole time. Shock.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

14. Who you're voting for respectively or bedroom antics?

Maybe I need a nap...

[Uben]

15. My wife:Obama, Me: Clinton

I WILL change her mind! She'll be sleeping in the streets, otherwise!

Bwahahahahahahaha!




































okay, I'm kiddin

[JayFredMuggs]

18. BUT.........are you serious about who you each support?

Just want a little more from you two. You seem to be the opposite of the original poster's position.

Are you really that way? Tell us more!!

[Uben]

27. Yes

I am a staunch Clinton supporter. My wife was, too, but jumped on the Obama bandwagon for some reason that even she can't explain to me. The 1990s were the best years of our life. She forgot, I didn't.

[JayFredMuggs]

16. A very insightful position to be in

If I were married, I think it would be hard for me to imagine my spouse not thinking like I do about politics, and I acknowledge that both Obama and Clinton see issues in a similar way.

But to me, it is about style, and integrity, and leadership abilities. Leadership abilities are the kind of things that more men look for, and emotional connection is this kind of thing more women look for, (if I dare be so general, and probably viewed as "sexist" to say that).

I think we want to elect people that reflect our values, our goals, and, in some ways, reflect our self image, that's where the emotional part comes in.

I would be happy with either as President in 2009-12.....but must admit I favor one much more than the other.

I wonder if there are any or many households where wife supports Obama, and hubby supports Hillary.

Some interesting ideas for discussion about the "emotions" of political choices here.

Thanks for this thread

[Uben]

25. Yep

My wife likes Obama. She was for Hillary, but jumped on the bandwagon. I'm not fooled so easily. Obama has shown me absolutely nothing to sway me to his side. There are lots of good speakers, but we need a president that can put together a team to get things changed. The Clintons can do that, Obama....I'm not so sure. Our family needs health-care reform badly. We are spending $12,000/YR just on premiums for a $10,000 out-of-pocket policy. (she is a cancer survivor) I know Clinton will make this happen, but I don't think Obama will do much more than make speeches on it, and that don't get it!

[Vinca]

17. How did your wife react to the Bosnia war story?

I'm surprised anyone still supports her after that bit of fiction.

[JayFredMuggs]

20. So am I.......

I predict Hillary's numbers will fall in the next week or two.....as she evades dealing with her lies.

[jonnyblitz]

19. I will vote for whoever wins. I am not a huge fan of either one. nt

[Fredda Weinberg]

21. He voted for John Anderson and understands why I never forgave him

No, we don't argue now ... he holds a principled position and feels for our side. Who could ask for more?

[SeattleGirl]

22. No such split in our household, but if there were, I image we would

be respectful of each other's choices.

One of my BIL's is a Hilary supporter (I'm for Barack), and last time I was visiting him and my sister, he and I got talking about the election. He stated his case for Hilary, I stated mine for Barack, and we had a great conversation. No disrespect from either of us.

[graywarrior]

23. Our house was divided until a few weeks ago when Mr. Gray came over to....

OBAMA! (although if Hillary gets the nom, he'd be happy to vote for her)

[Drunken Irishman]

30. I was for Obama, my mom was for ____ (she didn't know).

Prior to South Carolina, she was really turned off by Clinton's comments and solidly backed Obama -- who she voted for in the Utah primary. While I'll vote Clinton if she wins the nomination, my mother won't. She has voted for every Democratic presidential candidate since McGovern (her first, when she was 21) and she said she'll sit this one out if Clinton wins the nomination.

Don't piss off an old Irish lady, cause they can be mean! :D

[Cha]

50. Don't I know that..

"Don't piss off an old Irish lady, cause they can be mean!"

hilary pissed me off in Oct, 2002.

[Ysabel]

56. grrrr...

:D

[apocalypsehow]

38. My wife supported Obama before I did; we were both initially for Edwards but after she covered a

rally he held, she switched her support to the Senator from Illinois. She told at the time that she had a difficult time remembering she had to be objective in her demeanor on air as she reported the rally because his speech was so inspiring.

After Senator Edwards dropped out, I switched my support to Obama.

[Onlooker]

39. My spouse: Clinton Me: Obama

... But we support our choice for the same reason. He thinks that Clinton has a better chance of winning; and I think Obama has a better chance of winning.

[Red Knight]

44. that's interesting

We have similar reasons.

She keeps saying that Hillary will be tough with the Republicans, won't take any %$*# and I keep saying that Obama will be able to get more done because he won't have a wall there.

I believe Obama can attack McCain on the war issue in a way that Hillary can't. She looks at Hillary and sees a toughness against someone like McCain she doesn't see in Obama. I argue that Obama wasn't around for NAFTA and she argues that Hillary has said trade issues would be addressed. I argue about Hillary's mandate for health care and she argues that Obama's plan won't cover everyone.

So, yeah...we have our own reasons.

But again, at the end of the day....neither of the Dem candidates have said that we could stay in Iraq for a hundred years--no problem. Both have offered SOME sort of health care plan. Both candidates will not offer wealthy tax breaks while placing more burdens on the middle class.

In other words: they are not John McCain.

I will vote for either of them in the general election and so will she.

[FreeStateofWinston]

46. I agree

We as a party should, and must unite behind the primary nominee regardless of who it is. But I do have to say that it really has bothered me to see both Bill and Hillary on numerous occasions during this campaign attempt to minimize Barack as a viable candidate, while at the same time pumping up John McCain as some great American Patriot with loads of experience. McCain has already made it clear that he plans to continue with most of Bush's already failed policies(Iraq,Economy,etc.). I personally have very much been put off by the nuclear scorched earth tactics that the Clinton campaign has been using, and continues to use. I mean let's face it, Hill has already shown that she is even willing to blatantly lie(Ducking sniper fire in Bosnia)in order to try and help her political agenda.
In the end though, as much as it will pain me to do so, if Hillary somehow miraculously wrestles away the nomination from Obama, I will have to HOLD MY NOSE and vote for her for the good of the party and the good of the country.
:patriot:

[Raine]

49. My BF: Clinton ... Me: Obama

We could probably really get into it but both of us are just keeping it light. We tease each other about our choice, so far we've kept from arguing.