The title is now earned. Barack Obama is our "Presumptive Nominee."

[SoonerPride]

From this point forward, I encourage you to refer to Obama as Presumptive Nominee Barack Obama.

The math is irrefutable.
The money does not lie.
The pledged delegate lead is insurmountable.
The Super Delegate outcome is a foregone conclusion.
The momentum is undeniable.

The race is over.

Hillary Clinton gave it a good run and in any other time against any other field of candidates, her money she raised (which set all kinds of records), her household name, her experience, her organizational machine, and her savvy would have made her unstoppable.

Not this time.

A strange quirk of fate happened in 2008. People are so sick, so tired, so exhausted after 7 full years of Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Gonzo, torture, war, debt, Katrina, shame, denial, lies, and pure political bullshit that the number one, overriding criterion being sought, above all else, is summed up in one six letter word.

Change.

No candidate embodies hope, vision and change more so than does Barack Obama.

There is simply no possibility of any other outcome at this point.

It is over.

Barack Obama is the Presumptive Nominee for the Democratic party.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. I hope so

Obviously Hillary has something horrible on Obama otherwise she wouldn't be stying in the race.

Lets see her tax returns first

[SoonerPride]

4. Hillary is no loner on the radar screen,

McCain is the enemy.

Whether or not she releases tax returns, it simply doesn't matter now.

She is yesterday's news. Time to move on.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

11. yes McKeatingFive is the enemy

don't understimate Clinton. The vamoire isn't dead yet!

[Life Long Dem]

16. He is the enemy.

He said things in the last week alone, that is enough for me to never vote for him.

[Hutzpa]

78. So, she is officially Huckster Cling-On

we can live with that....

:evilgrin:

[SoonerPride]

102. Yes. She is finished. Obama is the Presumptive Nominee.

She cannot even pay her bills.

[bilgewaterbill]

5. Horribler than she's already trotted out?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

8. Bill said saddle up

so look out!

[SunsetDreams]

15. she don't...

have anything horrible on Obama, otherwise she would have released it already.

She just wants everyone to think so, so there is that fear factor out there to try and scare up votes.

I say let her try something, because it ALWAYS backfires on her.

She is staying in this race, because she wants to win at all costs, she thinks the Presidency is owed to her, she thinks the nomination is owed to her. She thinks her so called friends are more loyal to her than the country.

[SwampG8r]

i agree

i think the most frustrating thing to senator clinton was the lack of dirt to toss
i mean we know how its done
look at whats happened to clinton opponents in the past
and theres nothing that is usable to discredit him
nothing
because if there was she would have used it after iowa

[napoleon_in_rags]

2. So why not just focus on Obama and McCain?

Frankly I think you're right, but I keep seeing post after post saying just what you're saying. I feel like I'd rather be getting energized over Obama's vision for America at this point.

[SoonerPride]

6. That is indeed the point, The race is now Obama v McCain,

All our posts should be about that.

Ignore the rest.

[ginnyinWI]

61. End of last week I stopped referring to her at all.

It's really pretty easy to just focus on what's right about Obama, and that's what I'm doing. Also what is wrong with the Republican candidate and philosophy, and of course the chimparooney. Plenty of things left to talk about! ;)

I also think it's well past time to put away the personal attacks. It doesn't do anybody any good or change anyone's mind, and just makes everybody more hostile.

[SoonerPride]

65. Perfect! I encourage everyone to follow your example.

Bravo!

[OzarkDem]

3. Does he have 2025 pledged delegates yet?

If not, stop posting this bs.

[PresidentObama]

7. You sound like Mike Huckabee.

[OzarkDem]

9. No, I sound like a rational Democrat

[Joe the Revelator]

17. You and "rational" parted company months ago.

[Name removed]

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[Joe the Revelator]

you'll come to terms eventually.

[PresidentObama]

26. Wow. Such immaturity n/t

[Umbram]

64. You of all people shouldn't be throwing the 'troll' word around. (nt)

[SoonerPride]

31. Now you know why that is a "ignore" on my screen

I have no time for nonsense

[msongs]

10. if he doesnt have the delegates he is not the new messiah yet nt

[SoonerPride]

13. But he does. And he also has the money to keep going.

It is over.

Embrace and support our nominee.

[OzarkDem]

25. Blah, blah, blah

You don't really think you're fooling any Clinton supporters with your line of crap, do you?

[mcctatas]

70. I usually try to stay slightly above the fray, but...

I think the cult label has been officially transferred to the Clinton camp....Keep chugging that kool-aid, nothing can change the mind of a true believer...not even facts :crazy:

[totodeinhere]

45. This is what is so irritating about some Clinton supporters.

No Obama supporter that I know of has ever called him the new "messiah." Yet you feel the need to throw out that cutesy little phrase. This sort of thing does not help our discourse at all.

[SoonerPride]

50. Ignore them. They are no longer the enemy.

Put them in a box.

[totodeinhere]

68. Thanks for the good advice my friend.

[dogday]

109. They are not your enemy and certainly not mine...

All Democrats are my Brothers and Sisters whether I like their choice of candidate or not and always will be....

[SwampG8r]

72. we dont need a

messiah
we need an honest leader who knows what its like to make it in america by your own hard work
got that hillbot?
honest
your OWN hard work

[JeffR]

14. Now, now. Be fair.

Huckabee usually sounds much more reasonable than our friend above. Is this a weird primary season or what?

[Hugabear]

39. No, Huckabee had the common sense to drop out

Hillary and her gaggle of lawyers are determined to see this to the bitter end.

[tammywammy]

85. FYI, it's 2024 now, since Spitzer is gone

Paterson didn't give up his spot within the DNC.

[futureliveshere]

12. I agree but don't need to hear this again and again...

This kind of a post only serves to alienate the Hillary supporters who are equally passionate about their candidate. Lets stop gloating and concentrate on sewing this up tightly...

A wise man said - "Don't count your chickens till they hatch"

[Joe the Revelator]

18. Why should we enable the insane fantasy land that their living in? They need some tough love....

for the good of the party.

[totodeinhere]

48. Why should the truth alienate anyone? Can't they be mature enough to face up to the facts?

[SoonerPride]

59. The facts are there. He is our presumptive nominee.

Time to focus our firepower on McCain.

This race is over.

[futureliveshere]

60. Aah but there is something called irrational support. Sure we can ignore, gloat or laugh at them

but they are members of the same party and many have been for a looong time and they see their favorite candidate crashing in front of them. Thats gotta hurt and we should SEE that. Come November, BO NEEDS most of them to support him if he has to win because whether we like it not, HRC has a large extremely loyal support base.

[totodeinhere]

75. Nobody is advocating gloating or laughing at them.

Although I saw quite a few Clinton supporters gloating after her narrow win in Ohio. And I agree that we need to come together so that we can turn our sights on McCain. But Clinton supporters are actually standing in the way of that goal by insisting that her candidacy is still viable when it's not. They have got to come to their senses and endorse Obama so that we can get on with things. The longer that this draws out the better it will be for McCain.

[ginnyinWI]

77. I say leave them alone to work it out.

You're right--no purpose served by gloating or laughing or calling them stupid. It's hard to give up on a favorite candidate--really hard. Let them work it out. I wish the mods would not allow all this name-calling. I thought it was against DU rules!?

[Zhade]

88. They support a proven liar. Are they really on our side at all?

Or are they on clinton's side, truth be damned?

[DemBones DemBones]

19. Dream on, but be prepared for a rude awakening. eom

[SoonerPride]

27. The awakening has begun.

There is no other outcome at this point.

[Hugabear]

43. LOL, who's the one dreaming?

Obama leads Clinton in polling. He leads her in pledged delegates. And he'll get more superdelegates than she will.

Seems to me that you folks are tilting at windmills.

[DemBones DemBones]

20. Dream on, but be prepared for a rude awakening. eom

[boppers]

22. I saw some guy hawking the theory that she won more electoral college votes.

Not sure what the logic is, maybe a "big state thing", but it might be another argument to be won...

Without McCain, counting the Electoral college votes for each state, what's the spread like?

[DemGa]

23. We'll see where the momentum is after PA, NC, IN, etc.

"Foregone conclusions" can be funny things.

[SoonerPride]

29. Hillary can't pay her bills and will drop out after Indiana.

It is over.

[kennetha]

24. Barack Obama: Legend in his own mind

It's a pretty weak move, even if you are winning a contest, to try to taunt your opponent into dropping out.

What could lead you to do that? Fear that you cannot take the opponent's best shot?

After Hillary wins PA, Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana, Puerto Rico, and pulls off a stunning upset in NC and gets Florida and Michigan delegations either revoted or seated as voted, Obama's arrogance will be shown up for the fear it really is.

What's the matter Obamaniacs? Afraid of the little women that could? Afraid of a little rumble?

[Skittles]

28. but KENNETHA!

he embodies HOPE.....VISION......CHANGE!!!! GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!! START GOOSE-STEPPPING NOW!!!!

[SoonerPride]

55. plonk.

I have no time for anyone comparing he Presumptive Nominee of the Democratic party to Nazis.

[Skittles]

84. that's not the comparison

goose-stepping to me means conformity...if you know history, you know the Nazis had no exclusive claim on goose-stepping

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose-Step

[OzarkDem]

30. Obama desperation

He doesn't like the prospect of being defeated by a woman, apparently. :rofl:

[NanceGreggs]

81. Oh, yes, the "she's a woman" thing ...

... never saw that coming.

[loveangelc]

94. the sooner you accept it, the easier it will be

[Hugabear]

49. So basically you have to change the rules in order to win

Hillary agreed before the primaries that Florida and Michigan should not count because they broke the rules. She agreed not to campaign in either Florida or Michigan. Funny how she waited until AFTER both of those states had already voted, and after she was starting to fall behind, that she suddenly discovered this passion for Florida and Michigan.

[SwampG8r]

76. and

even tho they were not campaigning per se she was here
in florida with a huge press entourage the day before and day of the vote for "fundraisers"
she was everywhere she could get herself noticed
but because it wasnt "campaining"it was ok
bend the rules til they break and when they break blame the other guy

[ginnyinWI]

79. wait and see, but he probably doesn't need to change FL and MI

That was what Chuck Todd said on KO tonight. If he keeps the same kind of lead through May 6, he can let the delegates from those two states be seated as is, and still have enough to win.

[SoonerPride]

106. FL and MI will be seated after Clinton drops out due to money.

She will bow out after Indiana.

If she stays in that long.

Her campaign bus is - literally - running on fumes. Gas costs a lot and she doesn't have the money to go on.

It is over.

[phrigndumass]

32. Kicked and rec'd

Not this time.

:thumbsup:

[doublethink]

34. I'm with you, kicked and rec'd

:kick:

[kennetha]

35. Right, you are Obamaniac

Not this time for Obama.

This time, Hillary is going to kick some Obama-booty once again. When your guy loses Pennsylvania by 15 - 20 points will you cry me a river?

[SoonerPride]

51. plonk. I have no time for your nonsense,

I'm giving you a permanent time out.

[Zhade]

90. Keep dreaming. Will you accept tissues when you cry over her loss?

You'll need them.

[SoonerPride]

47. Thank you!

Appreciate it.

[tritsofme]

33. If that were true then a huge wave of SDs could come out and end the race tomorrow with one presser.

However they haven't, and Obama is not the presumptive nominee.

[SoonerPride]

37. 1 a day since ST and 7 tomorrow. The wave is growing.

It is over, time to move on.

[tritsofme]

44. If the party wanted it to be over tomorrow it could be. Very easily.

The fact that his SDs come in a trickle and not a flood shows that the party is still nervous, and still want to let the People in the eight remaining contests have their say.

If Obama was the presumptive nominee enough SDs would have already fallen in line. They haven't, get over it.

I'll see you in Denver.

[SoonerPride]

46. It is over. Obama is now the Presumptive Nominee.

Best of luck next time.

[tritsofme]

56. Well if you say so it must be true.

I sometimes forget things work different in Obamaland.

See you in Denver.

[phrigndumass]

40. It is true, read for yourself, seven new SDs endorsing Obama:

Have you looked at the Wall Street Journal tonight?

SEVEN NEW superdelegates are endorsing him.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120692054573175525.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

[VolcanoJen]

42. All seven NC Democratic congress critters to endorse Obama

And since all members of Congress are superdelegates... well, you get the picture.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120692054573175525.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

Getting closer, isn't it?

[tritsofme]

53. Closer? Perhaps.

Is he the presumptive nominee today? No.

I wonder if these congresscritters will be booed at like children as happened to Representative Jackson-Lee if their congressional district votes Clinton and they remain Obama supporters?

[VolcanoJen]

66. For the record, Jackson-Lee hasn't voted yet, either.

A lot of unhatched-chicken-counting going on around here.

I'm with Obama. Hillary can run as long as she wants to.

[SoonerPride]

71. Oh, she can run. But like Huckabee, it is a sideshow. Obama is the presumptive nominee.

She can hang out as long as her credit is good, which won't be more than another 3 weeks, and then she will officially have to stop her charade.

But make no mistake, it is over.

[VolcanoJen]

73. It'll be over when she suspends her campaign.

Until then, it's not.

soon... very soon.

[SwampG8r]

80. i hope she stays in til the end

i cant think of anything so descriptive of what we are trying to remove from our government than senator clinton and her campaign
every day she stays in she makes the contrast between what is, and what might be, come alive for more and more people.
the age of big government clinton style cronyism is, i hope, at last over.

she's become the hubert humphrey of the 21st century

[totodeinhere]

36. Maybe it's only a matter of time until the admins at DU declare him the...

presumptive nominee. Then all of this bullshit can stop.

[SoonerPride]

38. I call for that, as well. Other progressive sites have done so.

It is over.

[kid a]

41. soon...very soon!

[SoonerPride]

52. Now.

The latest reports of debts unpaid and super delegates endorsing en masse state it plainly.

It is over.

[kid a]

74. OK - I'll roll with you on this - Presumptive Nominee Barack Obama!

[ginnyinWI]

54. Not one more lie. Not this time.

People are fed up after two Bush terms full of BS. Very sensitive, now, to being lied to. Very sensitive to hypocrisy, phoniness, two-facedness, arrogance, cronyism, bullying, overblown pride, stubbornness, weasel words, power plays, grandstanding, and all the other political dirty tricks.

That's why Obama is doing well. He's always the same, calm, pragmatic but intelligent person. Fair-minded, diplomatic. Honest. The opposite of the current Occupant. Talks about transparency. Fixing broken government. Doing what is right.

That's why he's doing so well. "Just give us a break", people are saying. "Give us a change."

[SoonerPride]

57. Exactly. 100% right on target.

Time to move on.

[Zhade]

92. Indeed. clinton's lies (see Tuzla) have turned them off - more every day.

It's a good sign for the future.

[bhikkhu]

58. K&R - clear for a few days now

(and I have adopted the little "Obama 2008" avatar - feeling very good about it)

[SoonerPride]

62. I've seen a lot of posts saying it is over, but none calling him Presumptive Nominee

That is the point.

We need to add that title to his name from here on out.

He has earned it.

[bhikkhu]

63. Absolutely.

[Umbram]

67. HRC is still busy imploding. I say we let her finish herself off. (nt)

[SoonerPride]

69. Well, technically Edwards never quit, either. But he, like Clinton, is yesterday's news.

It is over.

[joshcryer]

82. Tell that to the superdelegates who continue to let it run, and even Obama who says Hillary should..

...be able to continue running.

[ginnyinWI]

83. Obama's being a very smart politician.

:think:

[hayu_lol]

86. Food for thought...

a careful study of this campaign to date shows that clearly the Obama lead and momentum was created and fed by the caucuses rather than actual elections.

Presents a problem for him if he becomes the nominee. Don't believe there are any caucuses in the GE.

At this point, his lead is not that large.

[ginnyinWI]

91. I think he did well in the caucuses because

of their great ground organization. He goes in to a state like Oregon, well ahead of the primary, speaks, then they collect phone numbers of volunteers. He leaves again, and the volunteers get to work. By the time of the state's primary, he comes back and speaks to huge crowds with everything in place for victory. The caucuses do well for them because they take greater ground organization. But he's won quite a few primaries too.

This is not due to some fluke or luck; they've simply got a great ground game, period.

The General Election is a whole different ball game, so you really can't compare the two. But if their primary action is any indication, they'll do it very well, too.

[SunsetDreams]

93. little food for thought back at ya

Obama has won more primaries than Clinton
Obama has won more caucuses than Clinton
Obama has won more states than clinton
Obama has won more delegates, in fact last checked was 167 ahead of her a few days ago
Obama has won more popular vote (700,000 more)
Obama continues to get Super Delegates since Super Tuesday, something like 5-7 times more depending on which source you use.

It's over.

[SoonerPride]

104. Indeed. Great post.

Obama is the Presumptive Nominee.

[SoonerPride]

101. McCain said the same about Huckabee. It didn't change the facts though

It is indeed over.

She is out of money, behind in every category and will not make up ground from here on out.

It is over.

Time to move on.

[Yes We Did]

87. K&R Amen!!! As a matter of fact I really don't look at anymore Clinton threads...

I want to stay positive and she just has a way of dragging the hope out of the room.

[ginnyinWI]

89. "hide thread" is your friend. n/t

[kid a]

95. exactly - the "other" ignore option, at least you get a chortle first

[Tatiana]

96. Hillary will not overcome Obama's pledged delegate lead in the remaining primaries.

Yes, she will take her fight to the convention and yes, she will lose again, but she is still using FUZZY MATH.

The credentials committee contains 25 people already appointed by Gov. Dean. Plus each state gets up to 3 individual members on the credentials committee. Who will have won the most states? That's right... Obama. Plus, do you think the other 48 states (plus PR & DC) who followed the rules (some only moving their primaries up to Feb. 5th to stay within DNC rules) are going to vote to legitimize the MI and FL rule-breakers? I don't think so.

Any way you look at it, Clinton loses. But whatever, let her run.

[SoonerPride]

99. She can stay in, but Obama is the presumptive nominee.

She is now Mike Huckabee.

[BzaDem]

97. Yup. Just like NH. Just like March 3rd.

The more people post this, the clearer it is that the race is NOT over. When it's actually over, you won't need to convince others of that.

[SoonerPride]

98. Oh, it is over. Just like Huckabee, she can continue to get more in debt

But make no mistake, it is over.

[GoldieAZ49]

100. 2025 delegates earns the title of Presumptive Nominee

and with that the funds of the DNC

sorry charlie, you are wrong

[shaniqua6392]

103. Since neither of them has the delegate count needed,

I think it a bit presumptuous of you to disregard a Democratic Presidential candidate who has millions of supporters.

[SoonerPride]

105. Oh, I beg to differ.

She can't pay her bills = she can't go on.

The math is clear.

You sound like Huckabee.

There is no way she will overcome Obama. It is only a matter of time.

She indeed can stay in the race for vanity or until the creditors repossess the last computer, but her campaign is over.

Time to move on and focus on McCain.

She is yesterday's news.

[shaniqua6392]

112. She has every right to stay in the race.

The Huckabee situation was a bit different in that he stayed in the race until McCain had achieved the delegate count necessary to lock in the nomination. Since neither Obama nor Clinton will ever achieve the delegates necessary, there is no clear winner or loser yet.

[SoonerPride]

114. She has the right, but not the money, That seals her fate. It is over.

You can't run a campaign on ideas alone. It takes cold hard cash.

And she doesn't have any.

At all.

She can stay on ballots in every state, but she cannot place ads, travel, make appearances, nor even keep up with the fight.

She cannot possibly win, thus it is over.

[rox63]

107. Which stage of grieving are DU's HRC supporters in?

I think they are still in the denial stage, but they are close to entering the anger stage.

[SoonerPride]

111. Judging by their posts, they are stuck in Denial and Anger simultaneously.

I put them in a box and move on. I have no time for their rantings and nonsense.

Obama is the presumptive nominee. We should begin to use that title, er, liberally.

He has earned it. She is drowning in red ink and running on fumes.

It is over.

[rox63]

108. Delete- Dupe n/t

[democrattotheend]

110. No it's not. Quit getting complacent!

Obama does not have this locked up yet...far from it. If he gets blown out in PA it could change the dynamic of the race. Obama has not reached 2025 yet, and the supers will be reluctant to give him the nomination if Clinton wins a lot of the later primaries (illustrating potential buyer's remorse) or leads in the popular vote (or would if Michigan and Florida were included). We need Obama to get the nomination with momentum and full legitimacy if he is going to unite the party and win in the fall. So stop posting crap like this and get to work making calls to PA or writing OP's designed to convince the undecideds here (there are still a few) to vote for Obama.

[SoonerPride]

113. Hillary doesn't have the dollars to last another three weeks.

While i appreciate your concern, it is manufactured and imaginary.

She is a toothless old cat. She has no fight left in her. And no funds left to fight back with.

She will bow out after Indiana.

She cannot win and she and her people know it.

We need to addresss Obama as the Presumptive Nominee and allow Clinton to fade to black with dignity.

No harsh feelings. She put up a good fight. But now it is done.

[democrattotheend]

119. How do you know she doesn't have the money?

They haven't reported their March fundraising numbers yet. I think she might actually end up outraising him (working on an OP/blog post about this now).

[SoonerPride]

120. She can't even pay her bills.

It is over.

[MadBadger]

115. I wish you wouldnt.

A post like this does nothing but create divisions on DU.

[SoonerPride]

116. Division or not, it is time to addres reality. Without money, there is no going on.

Her campaign is over.

Obama is the Presumptive nominee of our party.

The more times it is said, the sooner the grieving process will be.

I'm not here to gloat, simply to address reality.

It is over.

[MadBadger]

117. You have no idea how much money she has.

And Until she either drops out or Obama reaches the magic number, he is not the presumptive nominee.

[SoonerPride]

118. Well, we will officially know this week. She has to file with the FEC.

Unlike her taxes, which remain hidden, we know she is deeply in debt and cannot continue her campaign.

[azmouse]

121. Buh-bye HRC.

For the good of the party and winning in Nov please give it up.