The confidence of Obama supporters here is disappointing, they think their candidate can lose.

[joshcryer]

It's amazing to me how many posts here call for Hillary to "drop out" because "if she doesn't she's going to split the party and our Presumptive Nominee Barack Obama will lose!"

Hilarious to the extreme.

I have no doubts that any Democratic Nominee will win, and win big against John McCain.

[Skittles]

1. mmmm

do you happen to remember the last two presidential elections?

[joshcryer]

8. Yes. Your confidence is still disappointing.

[Skittles]

40. it is REALISTIC

HUGE difference

[joshcryer]

44. *shrug* If you have doubts maybe the SDs will have similar doubts.

[dkf]

2. I don't think he's going to lose, I know he's going to win.

But he will have spent a ton of money and a whole lot of our advantage against her.

What a waste.

[joshcryer]

9. Then don't let me hear that sad state of lack of confidence from you.

I'll remind you. :hi:

[dkf]

13. No, I'm frustrated because I do have that confidence.

But that doesn't mean she doesn't piss me off, because she does, beyond anything.

The only person I find equally frustrating is George W. Bush.

They both don't get it. Argh.

[joshcryer]

15. I am a calm mannered person in real life, and if I am certain about something, "frustration" is...

...the last thing to occur to me.

I consider Hillary's chances at maybe 5%, probably even lower, I expect her to lose (edit: btw, a prediction I made after Feb 5th, much to the cries of some of the very posters in this thread), but that doesn't mean I see either of them losing the GE. It's proposterous. Thus I take the garbage from both sides with stride.

[dkf]

19. I'm certain that George W. Bush is an idiot, and I'm still frustrated by him.

I'm certain that he and Cheney are up to all kinds of bad behavior, including spying on Americans, and I find that frustrating also.

Being certain of something doesn't lessen frustration, in fact, it may exacerbate it.

[joshcryer]

20. Well, can you do anything about it? Not until the next election cycle.

I am certain we'll be rid of the idiot and his policies quite soon.

Why be frustrated over something out of ones hands I dunno. You can't prevent Hillary from speaking hyperbole or even outright lies. So if something like that frustrates you I am don't know what to say, perhaps you're a little too invested in the other candidate.

Maybe that explains the lack of confidence in Obama in some of his most ardent supporters here. Their investment in Hillary has clouded their view of the election.

[dkf]

25. I think you are confusing disgust with Hillary with

a lack of confidence in Obama.

I always found her grating, even before I liked Obama. In fact, I didn't used to be able to even listen to her talk. I've actually gotten better at it lately.

[joshcryer]

33. Nah, there are dozens of posts made daily in this vein.

That Hillary should drop out because it could make Obama lose.

[flor de jasmim]

3. With the grassroots supports (and time to strengthen it), he's in a great position.

If he manages to completely break the stranglehold of the DLC and corporate interests by continuing to grow his grassroots network - not just in building general support but in GOTV, he will leave McCain in the dust.

[bluerum]

4. We all certainly want the dem to win. But when the repuglicans steal two

consecutive elections running a moron you have to be willing to call them out on their cheating and fight every inch of the way. It will take more than running a charismatic candidate to win.

[Skittles]

7. you know it, bluerum

WAY more

[cali]

5. I have no problem with Hillary staying in BUT

if by June 5th, the end of the primary season, she's still behind by 150+ delegates and behind in the popular vote, AND she's still declaring it a tie and saying she'll take it to the convention, I damn well will be calling for her to get the hell out of the way.

[joshcryer]

10. Because you think it would make Obama risk losing?

OK.

[cali]

21. because we need to unite behind a candidate

furthermore, if Obama loses the next 8 contests, I think he should get out of the way because that would be a clear indication that he's imploded and in no longer viable. Too bad that you can't say the same, and obviously don't really care about winning in November.

[joshcryer]

22. I cannot fanthom either candidate losing in November. I have confidence in them both.

Hillary can take it to the convention for all I care. And if Obama "implodes" he can, too. Neither can win without SDs and I would expect either to urge the SDs to vote for them.

It's called politics.

[cali]

23. very shortsighted of you

not to understand that the dem nominee can lose in November. He or she can indeed lose if the party fractures, and the sure route to that is a fight that continues through the convention. The nominee that emerges from that will be seriously damaged. If it goes to the convention I sincerely want Obama to drop out and give it to Hills.

[joshcryer]

24. I would expect Hillary to drop out before Obama would.

And I doubt very seriously it would go to the convention. The point is I am *so* confident that we'd win even if it went to the convention.

Perhaps my confidence is shortsighted.

But this post was to illustrate just how some Obama supporters still have their doubts.

[Window]

28. I couldn't fathom *Bush winning either of the last two elections.

[joshcryer]

34. He didn't win the first one and the second one was a shoe-in.

Anyone with any political sense knows that.

[Window]

39. DUH!!! The point is he bacame a two-term pResident, and that is a fact.

[shadowknows69]

6. SPDD blah blah blah

Same Posts Different Day

[joshcryer]

11. Hey this is the first time I've seen anyone call out Obama supporters for their lack of confidence.

[joshcryer]

12. Obama supporters should hope the SDs don't share their same lack of confidence.

Otherwise he won't win their support.

[JVS]

14. poop

[joshcryer]

16. Add a bit more substance to your next post.

Or you'll be reminded how banal your 'contributions' are. :hi:

[tekisui]

17. I am not worried about Obama being "bloodied" in an extended Primary.

Honestly, I think he gets stronger the more focus the Dem race gets.

[joshcryer]

18. grantcart has an excellent post in that vein.

It's a great post, check it out, on the first page right now. About 10 posts down.

[Vinca]

26. It's only common sense that if our primary continues and continues

and continues, McCain remains essentially unchallenged for months on end. The OP is forgetting the intelligence level of much of the voting population.

[bowens43]

27. If you have 'no doubts'

then you're an idiot.

[On the Road]

29. If Confidence is Not Well Placed

it does not help the effort to win. The national polls showing McCain with a narrow lead should be sobering and eliminate thoughts of a landslide.

[joshcryer]

35. Polls that are months out? That's silly.

I don't lend any crediblity to these polls.

[On the Road]

43. Nobody Knows What Will Happen by Election Day

but right now voters appear to be split pretty evenly. That is a sobering thought for anyone assuming a Democratic landslide.

[zulchzulu]

30. If you understand math, political reality and what states are next...

...you can see that Hillary Clinton has about a 4% chance of being the nominee.

It's not just confidence that Obama is the nominee, it's mathematically provable. I am also confident that Obama will handily beat McCain by 10 or more percent in the GE.

[joshcryer]

36. Good, now if only more Obama supporters had that confidence.

I mean, really.

[John Q. Citizen]

31. Hillary and her supporters were quite overconfident for a few years. How did that help?

[joshcryer]

37. I never expected Hillary to win the nomination, actually.

I knew it would go down like Kerry in 2004. Win the early caucuses in a landslide, get undeserved media attention (Dean had the larger grassroots movement but failed to understand the political process of the early caucuses), pow, skate to victory.

But there's a difference with being overconfident about the primary process and the GE.

McCain is a worthless unelectable old fart.

[krawhitham]

32. no the fear she will STEAL it

[joshcryer]

38. That's politics.

The question is about Obama winning against McCain.

A lot of people here are afraid he won't.

And those people are *Obama supporters*.

[anonymous171]

41. Geezer vs Young Guy. It will be Kennedy vs. Nixon all over again.

[PoliticalAmazon]

42. McCain will win if Hillary is the Dem candidate in the GE....

...She can't win, and here's why:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5280301&mesg_id=5281280

[joshcryer]

46. Oh please. Historical precedent over biases?

Which would you pick? Seriously now. American's are shallow. They'd pick the "historic candidate" over the old fart any day.

[EmilyAnne]

45. This isn't a game. We've seen all sorts of things go wrong in the past elections. Of course we

don't trust that the best candidate, even the winning candidate (like Gore) will actually enter the White House. Laugh all you want, but we're worried.