Kicking Hillary to the side of the road and out of the race in

[OHdem10]

long run hurts Obama.

The Chattering Class (TV Talkers) are gleefully once agai
dancing on Hillary's Grave.. Only this time "The Democratic
Party" is pushing her out.

It demoralizes the voters who support her. The Image out
there is the Media covers and props up Obama. The Media does
this because Democratic Senators and House Members encourage
them. Alsoother Democrats with clout who are on the Obama
bandwagon. It is these Democrats who are destroying the
party before out very eyes.

This is a sure way to run the voters(not activists) away from
the Democratic Party.

We are growing closer and closer to a GOP win in November.

The Inside the Beltway Dems are so out of touch. Leahy and
Dodd are telling the Middle Class Working Class. We do not
want you to vote in the Primary. What if the Voters respond
by saying OK. Do not expect our votes in November??

[Kaylee]

1. Or she can make a graceful exit......

I'm just sayin'.

[MADem]

2. Better still...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032901846.html

[Arkansas Granny]

15. That article raises some very good points.

"But their extended contest informs the electorate and serves to battle-test them both. We don't see why the process should be short-circuited when millions of votes are yet to be cast and two qualified candidates believe themselves to be the best potential Democratic nominee."

That pretty much sums up how I feel.

[OHdem10]

3. I see--it is ok with you if the Working Class do not vote this fall.

Pray tell me how you plan to win???

[OzarkDem]

14. Obama also thinks he can win without the women's vote

I guess he's counting on the Wall Street Caucus to turn out for him.

[zalinda]

27. Or the old people's vote n/t

[MADem]

28. To say nothing of the "Deaniac" votes that won't show up in November.

"Hey, DUDE, I, er, FORGOT....man!"

Notoriously unreliable, that demographic. They'll consider their job done if he wins the nomination.

[Alexander]

30. Yeah, that's why notorious woman-haters Amy Klobuchar and Claire McCaskill endorsed him.

:eyes:

Give me a break. You'd call your own mother a sexist if she didn't support Hillary.

[gal]

36. I endorse him to!

:) He gets my vote

[FatDave]

45. Welcome to DU, gal

Every woman I know supports Obama.

[Erin Elizabeth]

37. I don't get this argument at ALL.

I was at my senate district convention on Saturday and there were TONS of women there for Obama. Of the small number of Hillary delegates there, I'd say they were about half and half men and women.

I'm a woman. I'm for Obama. My mom is for Obama, my sister and sister-in-law are for Obama. Many of my female friends and co-workers are for Obama.

So what's this about "the women's vote?"

[myrna minx]

40. I'm a woman that's supporting Obama.

Women do not vote in monolithic blocs, you know.

[KaptBunnyPants]

33. Please. She gets working class support merely because she is the name candidate.

And working class voters are most likely to be low info voters. The people who could be lost when Hillary quits are feminists bitter after coming so close to getting a woman in the White House. And if the only alternative to that is watching her suicide bomb the nominee for the next 4 months, than it's the best option available.

[Eurobabe]

4. Then you aren't watching Morning Joe

and we all know why HE wants HRC to be the nominee. :eyes:

[democrattotheend]

5. This Obama supporter agrees, mostly

And as I http://purplestatepundit.com/blog/election08/leahys-call-for-clinton-to-drop-out-might-hurt-obama/">wrote about on my blog, I think Leahy's call for Clinton to drop out will end up hurting Obama. I think women especially tend to rally to her when her campaign is on the ropes. I'm an Obama supporter but I will admit that as a woman, I feel occasional twinges of guilt for not supporting the first woman with a real chance to become president, and if I had been voting in a primary where it was do or die for her, I probably still would have voted for Obama, but it might have been a little harder.

I do think, however, that if Obama pulls off the miracle of all miracles and wins PA, it's over. And if he narrowly loses PA but wins NC and IN there might be a strong case for her getting out...it depends what's going on at the time. But I agree that calls for her to drop out are premature, and that if she were pushed out now it would make a lot of her supporters resentful and less willing to volunteer or even vote for Obama.

[Saturday]

6. I never thought I would hear Democrats cry to stop...

counting the votes. I thought FL showed us all votes should be counted....but no, since Obama is winning slightly Obama supporters want to stop the vote. Incredible.

[Uben]

7. When it goes to the SDs....................

.......they will have to determine which candidate has the best chance to win the GE, and this means counting electoral votes, because that is ultimately the determining factor. They will have to carefully scrutinize each state, each candidates ability to win those electoral votes, and ultimately nominate the candidate that has the best chance to secure the win. It will no longer be up to pledged delegates, that phase will have already passed without resolution, much to the dismay of Obama supporters I would guess.

At present, Clinton has won states with 211 electoral votes and Obama 202, which clearly shows Obama has not blown anything out of the water, and is why many of his supporters are calling for Clinton to quit. If she continues to build her lead in states with more electoral votes, Clinton proponents have a legitimate argument that she is the most likely to secure the win in November.

[Droopy]

12. Do you think that the big states Hillary won in the primaries

will not go for Obama in the general election?

[Lyric]

13. It's nice to see an occasional voice of reason.

People often forget that the reason superdelegates ARE superdelegates is because there are times when the "people" can't seem to make up their minds in a decisive manner, and we need a way to ensure that short-term faction doesn't damage the long-term interests of the party. We need to see how the rest of the states play out so that we know which candidate has the best chance of snagging those electoral votes in the Fall--*nothing* is more important than that to the Democratic leadership--and to most Democrats, not counting the rabid devotees of either candidate who refuse to consider the larger goal of winning the election as the primary objective.

If the candidate who gets the most "pledged delegates" was automatically supposed to be the nominee, superdelegates Would Not Exist. Period. There would be no Need for superdelegates if the primary was meant to be decided solely by a majority of pledged delegates. Obviously this is not the case.

We constantly hear about how candidates should "play by the rules". That counts for the convention delegates as well. The rules say that the superdelegates are going to decide this contest based on *their* notions of what's best for the party. We had our chance, and we were too divided to make it happen.

[Arkansas Granny]

16. This is as good an explanation of the SD vote that I have seen. It stands to reason

that winning the Democratic primary in a states does not mean turning that same state blue in the GE. This is what the SDs need to consider in the end.

[Liberal Gramma]

43. What kind of fuzzy math is that?

It might be the only area in which she holds a lead, so that's why we should use it to determine who our candidate will be? How about states won, delegates won, popular votes won? The electoral count you propose doesn't take into consideration the fact that some of those votes belong to the Dems no matter who runs for the party.

[Beacool]

38. FL will go Republican in November. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. It's Hillary's responsibility to exit in a way that maintains party unity. She's long overdue.

[OzarkDem]

9. Obama looks bad

There is no scenario in which he comes out the winner by continuing to bully and defame Hillary Clinton and her husband.

Instead, it makes him look petty, mean and divisive. Those aren't characteristics voters go for, even George Bush had to hide them when he ran for office.

[JayFredMuggs]

17. You, of course have LINKS to...

Those places where Obama has "bullied and defamed" Clinton?

Or do you just make it up as you go along?

[OzarkDem]

19. Just read the daily news n/t

[Jersey Devil]

23. LOL, Bubba bullied?

Somehow I don't think Bill Clinton will be able to play the victim card very effectively.

[Inuca]

24. Up is down n/t

[Window]

26. No, Senator Obama doesn't look bad. He said Hillary can stay in and run as long as she wants.

I believe a lot of SD's feel as Leahy does and are worried about the long-term effects this antagonistic campaigning will have in the GE. More SD's do not want to go on record because it will seem as though they're ganging up on Hillary.

[crankychatter]

10. I'm wet for Obama but I think Clinton may win

and I'm foursquare behind my candidate's assertion that Sen.Clinton may do as she pleases.

I do believe protracted negativity is going to hurt us.

And that is why after May 6th, my song will change.

She can't match Obama in the ability to turn polls around and pull off surprise victories.

I'd like to see him have more time... OR her.

Florida and Michigan should've revoted. Clinton's operatives should NEVER have argued to have the skewed results certified.

They can't win a credentials argument at convention. It's a no-go.

Leahy and Dodd know the score. Nobody is trying to disenfranchise anyone.

This house divided needs time to pull it together and get those polls back up before November.

[totodeinhere]

11. You have it backwards.

It's not those who are calling for Hillary's exit who are destroying the party. It's the Clinton campaign that is doing that. Leahy, Dodd, Richardson and others are trying to save the party from this ongoing trench warfare before it's too late. The road to victory in November is not for Clinton to stay in, it's for her to get out now that she has obviously lost.

[MADem]

29. No they aren't. They aren't trying to "save" squat. They're trying to anoint

their preference so that they can be credited for it if--and it's a bigger if than they calculate, frankly--their candidate wins. They're looking for new jobs.

Your scenario is a "road to victory" all right--for Popeye.

[Plausible]

18. Agreed and

I'm hearing from quite a few people that if Hillary is not on the ballot in the fall, they won't be voting in the fall.

If the party wants to kick it's first woman presidential candidate to the curb, it better use some finesse or it will indeed be a party divided.

People in PA are excited that this election our primary will count. Usually the candidate is selected long before PA has its primary. I imagine the other states yet to vote will also appreciate having their voice heard.

[goldcanyonaz]

21. The word on the street is the same here in regards to not voting this fall.

[flpoljunkie]

20. Joe Scarborough freely admitte to Howard Wolfson this morning, "I love Hillary!" and he works hard

every day to promote her candidacy. He and Pat Buchanan.

[Cha]

31. Yeah, I can see what joe scarbourgh

would have to admire in hilary.

But, Obama said "hilary can stay as long as she wants".. Who listens to the fucking punditshitheads, anyway?

[surfermaw]

22. Don't you men that Obama is poaying the good guy while getting his throat cutter to do the bad work

Isn't that what you are posting now, what Obama has told his throat cutters to do, I don't think Hillary is going to get out, frankly I don't think the others in the party want her to get out, they are waiting for another shoe to drop on Obama like the skeem to buy his house from a crook , and the minister he allowed his wife and children, no wonder his wife M. made the statement that she had never been proud of her country. You know for people who aren't proud of their country, they should do what the old southerner 80,000 of them did after the Civil War, just hop a boat and go to another country.

[hedgehog]

25. Were Kucinich, Dodd, Gravel, Biden, Richardson and Edwards

all kicked to the side of the road? Only one person can win.

[Orsino]

42. Yeah. Which is it?

Can she win this thing, or has she already been kicked to the side of the road? She can't be both the leading candidate and the victim of back-stabbers and bullies.

[rucky]

32. I agree.

We need to chill out and let the primary run its course.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Meh.

"It demoralizes the voters who support her."

They're grown-ups. They'll get over it.

"The Image out
there is the Media covers and props up Obama. The Media does
this because Democratic Senators and House Members encourage
them. Alsoother Democrats with clout who are on the Obama
bandwagon. It is these Democrats who are destroying the
party before out very eyes. "

Really? Are people really stupid enough to believe this? That the MSM who's been harping this stupid Rev. Wright thing for the last three weeks is supporting Obama? And that they're being controlled by congressional dems?

:rofl:

"This is a sure way to run the voters(not activists) away from
the Democratic Party."

Considering Obama's got more voters, I don't see your point. Unless "activist voters" don't count.

[madfloridian]

35. Dean said no one should be asked to drop out.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1948

[Adelante]

39. I agree with Obama, she should stay in unless *she* decides to go

I do think all of this threatening talk about not voting in November is bullshit. The working class won't vote if Hillary is not the nominee? Women won't vote? Nonsense. Utter nonsense.

[DrFunkenstein]

41. If She Ran a Classy Campaign, It Would Be a Different Story

But the Clinton campaign has all of the makings of a Jerry Springer episode.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

44. This is straight Carville. Nice ventriloquism, Carville.