Nefarious bullshit that we should be ashamed of.

[Warren Stupidity]

"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

Spinning that statement into "Obama said that women are punished by having a baby" is nefarious bullshit of the worst order. You folks 'playing' this crap should be ashamed. I am ashamed that you are allowed to post your shit on this board. Are you taking your talking point orders from Andrea Mitchel now? Is that how low you have sunk? Go away. Please. Go back on strike.

[silverweb]

1. Seconded!

:thumbsup:

[JayFredMuggs]

2. Hillary supporters were on strike?

Oh, when they didn't know how big Hillary's LIES about Bosnia would be, they were happy to think Reverend Wright was Obama's downfall?

So they came back to scare up more false issues, and start by taking half-sentences out of context......typical!

[Moochy]

49. Was the strike was about online residuals?

Or am I thinking of the Writer's Guild? :evilgrin:

[MercutioATC]

3. Amen.

:toast:

[frogcycle]

4. good grief

I guess I've been busy earning a living

Hadn't heard about this gem of a nonissue.

How freaking loony is this thing going to get, anyway?

reminds me of the gag where a kid giggles and says "you said pee" or "nipple" or whatever.

get a freaking life, people!

[Terran]

47. Jeez, where ya been?!

I've seen it referred to here, seriously, as "Babygate". :eyes:

[Coexist]

51. you are so glad you weren't here yesterday!

[sandnsea]

5. It's disgraceful

Especially since DU has always been so ardently for sex education and reproductive freedom. It hurts women and teen-agers to manipulate this.

[GoneOffShore]

6. I'm kicking this

Despite the fact that I wish the title were a little clearer.

I clicked because I like your posts and wanted to see what you were talking about.

:kick:

[Warren Stupidity]

15. It was the phrase that sprang to mind.

I kept looking and reading and running through my head was "nefarious bullshit".

[GoneOffShore]

22. I understand

It seems that there's plenty of nefarious bullshit to go around.

[dchill]

45. It is what it is.

"nefarious bullshit".

Indeed. Once again, Right-wing talking points from Camp Clinton.

[Moochy]

48. It's an apt phrase... and wow...

Noone from my huuuuuuugh!11111 ignore list is on this thread....

That seems kind of nefarious... given how big the list is...

[panader0]

7. Thanks for telling me what all the rumpus is about.

I missed his remark. I know a few of my daughters aquaintances who got pregnant, accidentally, at age 15 or 16. They drop out of high school, get pregnant again, and have their moms take care of their kids so they can either work minimum wage jobs or party. Either way, their futures are shut down. STD's just add to the problem. Teenage, unmarried pregnancy IS a problem. By all means, give your daughters and sons the information they need to avoid one of the hardest things to deal with: unmarried, teen mothers with no real future.

[Ichingcarpenter]

Totally agree- kick nominated n/t

[DevonRex]

8. Kickin.

We seem to have quite a few nefarious bullshitters in here.

[jgraz]

9. Yep, we keep thinking we've seen the bottom from these people and they keep setting new lows

The only consolation is knowing their time on this board is rapidly coming to an end.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

50. Falling through the bottom of the barrel.

[Forkboy]

10. They are the lowest of the low, and true scum.

[Guava Jelly]

17. I am scum and I find that insulting

:mad: :D

[Forkboy]

18. Dude, you're not even close.

:toast:

[Guava Jelly]

20. shhh

Don't blow my cover..:silly:
:pals:

[redqueen]

11. I think that kind of tripe will get worse as PA nears.

I intended to make this week about unity. Some of the crap I see here makes that sooooo hard to do.

*sigh*

[Guava Jelly]

16. If there is a high road to take

I'll try to find it...
It is getting hard wading through the poo though.

[LiberalAndProud]

30. Unity.

I'll second that motion.

[walldude]

12. Even if he had meant what he said literally

what would it have mattered. I didn't know Hillary supporters had so many perfect children. They jumped on this like they felt guilty for something..

[azmouse]

13. Well said.

This stuff has got to stop before the party is irretrievably torn apart.
All Dems should be upset when the media or other Dems try to misrepresent what one of our own has said.

[DarienComp]

14. Agreed.

The purposeful obtuseness of some of these Hillary supporters is truly breathtaking.

[depakid]

19. How exactly would you expect this to be spun?

I heard exactly what he said, and I know exactly the context the words were used in.

If you had any halfway objective judgment in the matter, you'd recognize how potentially damaging a remark like that is- and how it can and does effect political dialogue.

Rather than lashing out with indignation, it seems to me you might want to focus on damage control.

[Warren Stupidity]

27. By Andrea Mitchel or by loyal Democrats?

From Andrea Mitchel I expect that words will be taken out of context and used to create a distraction with which to bash the Democratic candidates. What I unfortunately also expect is that the Clinton supporters here will take up Andrea's nefarious bullshit and pretend that it is something other than that. Have you read some of the punish babies posts here? One would think this was the fundy board of the sacred baby. It is crap. Attack Obama on the issues (that would be difficult as Obama and Clinton are nearly point for point the same). Attack Obama for what he actually said, not for some idiotic reparsing. Stop with the regurgitation of rightwing crap.

[eagertolearn]

46. Anyone needing to go this low to make something up about Obama

is really running out of other options. Lets talk about the real issue's. Clinton could of done well if she had stuck to the issue's and exposed how she could fight but with out all the lies and smears. This should actually be an insult to the mentality of her followers that she actually believes that they could fall for some of this stuff that she has been connected with these last few weeks. I know she didn't start this statement but she'll probably find a way to carry it on as usual.

[SunsetDreams]

21. agreed :)

[DearAbby]

23. Absolutely

:thumbsup:

[Ravy]

24. I agree. It is as low as the "fairy-tale" of electing a black man spin

from South Carolina.

People should stick to the issues, and twisting words to make one shouldn't count.

[MethuenProgressive]

37. You think that was what was said?

Another victim of Obama's Swiftboating of the Clintons on race pops up...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803040001

Matthews mischaracterized Bill Clinton "fairy tale" quote
Summary: Chris Matthews asserted that former President Bill Clinton "made a series of remarks about Barack Obama that turned off many Democrats and may have helped galvanize black voters for Obama." Matthews then aired an abbreviated clip of Clinton's January 7 comments, "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen," leaving out his preceding comments in which Clinton made clear that he was talking about Obama's statements regarding the Iraq war and not Obama's campaign.

edit to add ravy's own quote: "People should stick to the issues, and twisting words to make one shouldn't count."
I agree, ravy.

[BklynChick]

25. total bullshit.

[whatchamacallit]

26. Unfortunate choice of words but the message is sound.

Desperate foes will seize on ANYTHING!

[The Doctor.]

28. A Hillary person actually posted the "Obama admires Reagan" crock.

And she was a LONG time member.

Many need to be ashamed of themselves for buying RW lies and posting them here.

[readmoreoften]

40. Obama said he'd go back to the 'realism' of GHW Bush, JFK, and Reagan in foreign policy.

Those are his statements. Not RW lies. Personally, I don't think Bush 1 and Reagan were foreign policy realists. I think they were extremists with a cynical agenda. I'd rather not go back to that. I'd rather not have Hillary either. But I'd rather not have McCain even more.

[The Doctor.]

53. Got a quote?

I was;

1) Kucinich

2) Edwards

3) Obama/Clinton (yes, they were tied)

4) Biden

5) Richardson

6) Gravel

7) Dodd

[LiberalAndProud]

29. Late to the debate ...

Are we arguing about contraceptives here? Sex Eduation? I guess the controversy of this day is that Barack said "punished", do I have that right? Did he say it again or are we talking about the last debate? Did we not parse this then? How did DU let that one get by? Ooops!

We need a new debate, somebody might say another really bad word.


Some of these folks deserve McCain and some of these folks want McCain and I cannot figure out who is who or which is which. What word will we chooose tommorrow to piss and moan over? I just can't decide.
/rant

[2rth2pwr]

31. Spin? Tell that to these people

GREAT NEWS!!! My 16 year old daughter was rewarded with Gonorreha!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5333672

I'm single. A child would be a punishment and a curse.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5331253

As a single parent, let me just say that my daughter has been a TOTAL punishment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5332263


57. No spin, no twisting, no bullshit, Obama is 100% spot on, and you should be ashamed!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5332866&mesg_id=5333220



and many more

[Stephanie]

32. We seem to be losing your War

Perhaps you should rename yourself Warren Disingenuousevildoingskunks?

[2rth2pwr]

33. and this one

Teenage girls with a baby are punished.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5334347

[2rth2pwr]

34. and this- 35. It would be a punishment for me.

35. It would be a punishment for me.
I can't stand kids.

And he wasn't an idiot for saying it. People are making a big deal out of nothing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5332866&mesg_id=5333045

[GeorgeGist]

35. I presume he 'values' creating babies ...

without society's blessing, as 'moral' mistakes deserving of punishment.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein.

[OwnedByFerrets]

36. K and R

[MethuenProgressive]

38. You should be ashamed of that OP.

And you know it.

[Warren Stupidity]

61. I am almost tempted to reply.

[dogday]

39. I understood it the first 20 times I read it...

now it is old news anyway.... Nobody even remembers it....

[tishaLA]

41. Yes. I was very disappointed in the reaction of people I like

and admire when this bullshit started yesterday.

[readmoreoften]

42. Yes, it's wrong to criticize Obama for this. His message is right. /nt

[Labors of Hercules]

43. It is not a judgement between "choice" or "life"....

it is between "choice" or "ignorance".

[EnviroBat]

44. Amen.

The Whirling Dervish spin-clowns would have a "field-day" with an empty plastic bag if given the chance. "Oooo look, BUBBLES"!

[Marrah_G]

52. K & R I think this is silly spam also.

I understood what he meant. If only people spent as much time beating up Mccain as they do each other this thing would be slam dunk.

[McCamy Taylor]

54. Obama should have said "punished with teenaged pregnancy" he needs to think

before he speaks. We know what he means, but he can not always assume that everyone knows what he means. A small number of people who are desperately trying to conceive are going to be very upset by this.

[Diane R]

55. Agree with original post. Thank you.

[Tarc]

56. Perhaps your man should find a cure for his verbal diarrhea, then

We've already have 8 years of verbal gaffes and "aw shucks I didn't really mean THAT" attitudes. Let's not nominate another bumbler who will just give the GOP bumper sticker material, i.e. like Kerry did.

[Forkboy]

57. dupe

[Forkboy]

58. Yeah, because dodging imaginary sniper fire will play great against a war hero.

No material there. :eyes:

[Vattel]

59. I'm an HRC supporter

and I find this attack on Obama ridiculous. Sounds like a lot of the crap that's been slung at HRC (I'm sure you've seen it.)

[Warren Stupidity]

60. Indeed the shit slinging has been from both sides.

[southerncrone]

62. Reminiscent of a Rovian "twist"-- applying warped logic.