Helen Thomas is not dead to me.

[Guava Jelly]

She supports Sen Clinton and has every right to.
Wes Clark is not dead to me either.
Bill Richardson is not Judas
People have the right to support who they wish.
Peace..

[lisa58]

1. Agreed - vote your conscience everyone

[izzybeans]

2. I can't imagine any Obama supporter who understands their candidates demeanor

who would disagree with you.

[mamalone]

20. You got it! nt

[cali]

3. Great post,, GOPsUx

I feel exactly the same way. And to add to your list: Sheila Jackson-Lee is not dead to me, Barbara Boxer is not dead to me, RFK Jr is not dead to me, Joe Wilson is not dead to me.....

[dogday]

4. You just read off some great names.. Yes, this does prove

we can rise above all of this to still believe in our party and our system... Each one of those names represents not only a great Democrat, but Great Americans as well....

[Adelante]

5. Exactly right nt

[Kelvin Mace]

6. Absolutely

Tossing out ANYONE for not supporting your candidate is just wrong.

[DrDan]

7. blasphemy, utter blasphemy

I have been called names, threatened to be turned in to the moderators, sworn at . . .

and because I have stated I will support my choice in candidates - a Democrat, btw.

I have been here since 2001. But I have never seen the animosity that currently exists. From what woodwork did these juvenile posters crawl out of?

Debate is out. Offensive, crude, insults are in.

Hopefully it will end soon and the posters that brought this atmosphere migrate to FR where they belong.

[unapatriciated]

13. It's like high school

With all their little cliques that if you don't fit into they either call you names or let you know that you have earned a spot on their ignore list. I only joined recently. I didn't expect total agreement but I did naively think I would be able to have an adult conversation. I supported and voted for Edwards and have not found enough difference between the two front runners to declare a choice. There seems to be a bit of the bully mentality on this site by both camps. In the beginning when Clinton was ahead you saw it from her supporters and now you are seeing it from Obama supporters. I really do not understand an "adult" who resorts to name calling and tantrums to get their point across. Didn't like it in High school and don't like it now. We have had great candidates in this primary, any one of them would be a heck of a lot better than McCain. The SD system was set up to prevent what our party went through in 1968 and 1972. They are our rules and it is not cheating. If you think the rules are unfair than work to change them. Until that happens it is not cheating and throwing a tantrum and ignoring our candidate will not change the rules nor help our party.


Until 1972, there was no uniform primary-and-caucus system; the nominees of both parties were chosen by the convention delegates. But after the tumultuous 1968 Democratic primary races, and after party leaders ensured then-Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey received the nomination despite not running in any primary, the party opened up the process. Suddenly, primaries and caucuses became the important component to the nominee selection process.

However, this did not help the party win the presidency. The 1972 nominee, George McGovern, did very well in the primaries but went on to a crushing defeat in the general election. The party leaders saw further erosion of their own power in the two succeeding elections, as little-heralded Jimmy Carter won the nomination and the presidency in 1976, and Edward Kennedy was able to mount an unsuccessful but damaging primary challenge to Carter in 1980. In response, party leaders made a significant revision to the selection process.

In 1982, party leaders allocated for themselves a heaping portion of the delegates, creating positions called super delegates. Every Democratic member of Congress, every Democratic governor and all of the elected members of the Democratic National Committee (the majority of the super delegates) were each granted a vote at the convention. Party leaders assumed this would help them retain a measure of control over the process -- and of course continue to be granted the bounty of political favors that historically flowed from backing the right horse at the convention. In 2008, the 796 super delegates will make up about 20% of the entire convention. Winning the nomination requires 2,025 delegates.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-spivak19jan19,0,6353609.story

[DrDan]

14. well . . . I see you have only been here a few months

I have been here since 2001. Hang around - hopefully it will return to it's previous self, and soon.

When that happens, we shall have a debate over the SD process - over a glass of fine wine.

Fine-wine lover here also.

[unapatriciated]

21. Yes I'm new at posting here but have been reading it for years...

also have been involved since 1967 in the political process. Not in a grand way just an average citizen, marched against the vietnam war, spoke up for civil and equal rights long before it was popular. I have been actively advocating health care reform since the early 90's long before "Sicko" made the majority aware of the problems. I'm not sure if it would be much of a debate regarding SD's since I thought it was a quick fix then with no long term vision of how it would actually work in a tight race. Our party isn't a tight single minded group like the republican party and it is to our credit that we have so many different ways of looking at things. But it is crucial that we put our differences aside for this election and support our nominee and get a Dem back in the White House. Hopefully every new Dem will stay involved in the party and work to clean up this mess. Ending the war is the first priority just like it was in the late 60's. Unfortunately our party got a little lazy, as my mom would say "their shoes weren't tight yet".

Here's to good wine and tight shoes.

[JTFrog]

8. Agreed. n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

9. Helen, Joe & Valerie, General Clark...

I still repect them as much as ever.:thumbsup:

[sellitman]

10. As an Obama supporter.....

I'm still a Democrat.

How could any Democrat ever get down on Helen.

Heck....I wish she was running for President.

[Shae]

29. well, except for the fact

that McCain is a spring chicken next to her, I think she'd make a great candidate!
She is a great and gracious lady.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

11. Please tell me that statement, the one from which you are distancing yourself,

wasn't posted here on DU.

Did someone here actually post the words that she is "dead" to them?

If so, I don't recognize this board anymore. :cry:

If not, then at least there's still some decency and recognition that she is the indefatigable shining light of the fourth estate.

The world needs more with Ms. Thomas's character, not less.

[Guava Jelly]

17. I added the "dead" myself

I have see it used toward pundits but thankfully not toward Politicians.

[Bake]

23. I've seen it used here with regard to Joe Wilson.

People ready to throw respected Dems under the bus for not following their candidate. Pathetic.

Bake

[Guava Jelly]

24. I agree

I have a great respect for Joe..Even if he isn't backing my guy

[Shae]

30. In a thread by an Obama supporter

that said Helen Thomas endorses Hillary,
a Hillary supporter replied, "I guess Helen Thomas is dead to you now." (probably not an exact quote, but really close.)

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

12. Dupe.

[Bonobo]

15. I will always love Helen Thomas.

I hope Hillary throws away the naked pictures of her with James Carville.

:rofl:

[Coexist]

16. I love Helen, no matter who she supports!

Unless she supports a Republican, of course.

[Buzz Clik]

18. I love Helen! I had no idea she endorsed Hillary.

I agree. No biggie.

[myrna minx]

19. I love Helen and respect her.

:hi: Congratulations, Hillary.

[Orsino]

22. Heck, yeah.

The differences between the candidates are small enough that I can't work up outrage against supporters of the "wrong" one.

Peace is job one.

[Lucky 13]

25. True dat.

It's still America. We still have the freedom to support who we want.

I LOVE Helen Thomas - even though we disagree - and hopefully, with a new president, she will regain her seat in the front row of press conferences. (I WAS SO MAD when they took her seat!!!)

Now if only the Clinton camp wouldn't trash people that disagree with them...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. Have you got any quote that she endorses Clinton?

The thread about her yesterday was nonsense.

[grantcart]

27. as a reporter she can't come out and endorse somebody

She gives Hillary a lot of support

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. So then she hasn't endorsed any candidate.

OK.

[redqueen]

31. Agreed.

But it sure is fun watching some people's heads explode over this kind of stuff.

Bright side. :)

[Cheap_Trick]

32. Don't forget KO

some of the very same people who used to have threads about sending Keith roses and such are now saying "I've never liked him anyway."

[DearAbby]

33. I still like Helen Thomas too

too bad about her choice in candidates, sure come November she will vote for Obama the nominee!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

34. *plonk*

:D

[samsingh]

35. agreed

[SeattleGirl]

36. Absolutely agree with you!

Dismissing someone who you may previously have admired just because they support the "other" candidate (whichever your "other" is) is just silly.

I support Obama, but I have not lost my admiration for Helen Thomas, Wes Clark, Joe Wilson, or anyone else like that who supports her. I have the right to support who I choose, and so do they.

[Forkboy]

37. Bah...what has she done for us lately?

:hide:




:yoiks:

[backscatter712]

38. She's perfectly free to support who she wants.

Helen Thomas is one of the few honest voices in the press these days. She'll always have my respect, even though I'm voting for the other guy.