Dr. Maya Angelou....

[noel711]

Wrote "And Still I Rise" in 1978,
after she lived in AFrica for years,
and while she was living in California.
Her life story is remarkable,
her vision and her expression is incredible.

The poem was not written for Hillary Rodham Clinton
but for the experience of the AFrican American Woman.
It was written and copyrighted in 1978.

Hillary Clinton was not the first lady of ARkansas
until 1979.

The poem may have been quoted about Hillary's tenacity,
and I know that Dr. Angelou supports Hillary's campaign
and I may be 'silly' as some of you have said...
(I read your posts),because I am a greater fan and
devotee of Dr. Angelou than I am of Hillary Clinton.

But until Dr. Angelou herself says so,
That she wrote it for Hillary before
she knew her...
I will continue to believe the poem was written for
AFrican American Women.
And yes, they will continue to rise...

Sorry.

[The Night Owl]

1. Who is claiming that Still I Rise was written for Hillary Clinton? {EOM}

[ellacott]

3. Surprisingly, quite a few claimed this

There mistake is that Maya wrote a different poem for Hillary called, Rise Hillary Rise. Since they knew nothing of Maya Angelou prior to her endorsement that assumed that the original poem was written for Hillary.

It's quite funny.

[The Night Owl]

4. Weasel words. Do not speak again except to name names. {EOM}

[ellacott]

7. Do a search

[The Night Owl]

9. You made the claim. You prove it. {EOM}

[ellacott]

12. Do a search

That's how I found out when someone made that claim yesterday.

[cliffordu]

59. Here ya go, Genius....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5342497&mesg_id=5342497

[tammywammy]

27. TNO, you know that would be against the rules

Do a search to last Monday night, there were posters saying "And Still I Rise" was for Hillary. It isn't. "Rise, Hillary, Rise" is for Hillary. They are two different poems, and some posters were posting the wrong one saying it was for Hillary.

[Clintonista2]

30. No one said it was for Hillary

Show me an example.

[tammywammy]

33. Here's one example

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5243632

[Clintonista2]

50. I asked for an example of somebody claiming that it was written for Hillary

The OP in the link you gave didn't claim it was for Hillary. Next?

[tammywammy]

53. Um, yes it did

A great poem about a great woman by a great woman

That's claiming it was written for Hillary. :shrug:

[Clintonista2]

58. Yes, I'm glad you admit that Hillary is a great woman but

There are many great women in this world, and nobody directly claimed that it was written for Hillary.

[Catherina]

61. How odd especially given at least 8 threads rapid sniper-fire succession

One of the threads in that coordinated effort was even yours :shrug:

1. RISE HILLARY RISE
   Topic started by MassDemm on Mar-24-08 07:51 PM (44 replies)
   Last modified by DarienComp on Mar-25-08 08:35 AM
   Original message
   RISE HILLARY RISE
   Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary
   
   
2. I'm not giving up on you, Hillary. You inspire me.
   Topic started by libbygurl on Mar-24-08 08:23 PM (29 replies)
   Last modified by Kahuna on Mar-25-08 03:44 AM
   Original message
   I'm not giving up on you, Hillary. You inspire me.
   
   
3. Still I Rise
   Topic started by maddiejoan on Mar-24-08 08:27 PM (48 replies)
   Last modified by AX10 on Mar-25-08 08:07 PM
   37. Maya wrote that for Sen Clinton.
   That's awesome!
   
   
4. You May Write Me Down in History....4 Hillary
   Topic started by LulaMay on Mar-24-08 08:40 PM (31 replies)
   Last modified by thevoiceofreason on Mar-25-08 07:19 AM
   <<<"You are ignoring the author of this thread>>>
   
   
5. Thank you, Maya Angelou
   Topic started by okasha on Mar-24-08 09:05 PM (27 replies)
   Last modified by olkaz on Mar-25-08 07:43 AM
   Original message
   Thank you, Maya Angelou
   Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary
   
   
6. My hopes for a better America—
   Topic started by rodeodance on Mar-24-08 09:08 PM (19 replies)
   Last modified by thevoiceofreason on Mar-25-08 07:18 AM
   
   
7. Cya in 7 days DU
   Topic started by Lirwin2 on Mar-24-08 09:25 PM (31 replies)
   Last modified by VolcanoJen on Mar-25-08 07:56 AM
   
   Recalling Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary Clinton:
   
8. The Guardian UK Poem In Praise of Hillary By Maya Angelou
   Topic started by saracat on Mar-24-08 11:24 PM (2 replies)
   Last modified by emilyg on Mar-24-08 11:31 PM
   Original message
   The Guardian UK Poem In Praise of Hillary By Maya Angelou
   Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary
   
   

[Marrah_G]

2. Sigh...... Jumping back into the cesspool briefly to correct more ignorance

As has been explained over and over again There are two similar poems. But I believe you know that already. One was written in the 70's and the other was written a couple months ago for Hillary, based upon the first poem.

I doubt this will do anything to cease your orgasmic shit-stirring, but I will post it again anyway.


___________________________________________
Maya Angelou
Jan 20, 2008
Published in The Observer
(picture source: http://www.mayaangelou.com/)



You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may tread me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.

This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits' end, but she has always risen, always risen,
don't forget she has always risen,
much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.

Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that
you do not give up on her. There is a world of difference between being
a woman and being an old female. If you're born a girl, grow up,
and live long enough, you can become an old female.

But to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility
for the time she takes up and the space she occupies.
Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country.

Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to be what it can become.
She declares she wants to see more smiles in the family, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. She is the prayer of every woman and man who longs for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.

She means to rise.

Don't give up on Hillary. In fact, if you help her to rise, you will
rise with her and help her make this country the wonderful, wonderful
place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious
piety and without crippling fear.

Rise, Hillary. Rise.

______________

Now.... kindly STFU.

[SeaLyons]

5. Thank you...

:thumbsup:


Rise, Hillary, Rise..

[DemBones DemBones]

6. Thanks for posting that. Now they'll want to throw Maya Angelou under

the bus, of course.

"How dare she support HRC? Everyone must support Obama or we'll hold our breath 'til we turn blue."

[Chovexani]

18. That bus is going to need new shocks.

Governors, Senators, Poet Laureates...at least they are high class road bumps. :(

[cali]

39. You hillbots are going to need to replace the fleet of buses you

threw good dems under. It took a fleet to run over Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Caroline Kennedy, Bill McKibben, Governor Sebelius, Pat Leahy, Keith Olberman and dozens more.

Me? All I've ever done is congratulate Hillary and her fans when she's gotten an endorsement. Hillbots have been far worse about sliming dems than Obamabots.

[dogday]

8. Thanks for the correct information... There is so much

mis-information passing though this forum, you need to investigate everything you hear and see....

[NewHampshireDem]

15. Over-react much?

I guess I won't find out. Ignored.

[Marrah_G]

17. If hearing the truth about a misleading post offends you that much, have at it.

Just shove your head back in the sand so you don't have to deal with anything factual.

[Iris]

19. What? The OP basically asked for it by using 1 of her 3 posts of the day to accuse Hillary

supporters of being ignorant. I don't see this reply as an overreaction at all?

And since when is presenting information an "overreaction" on DU?

[NewHampshireDem]

57. Yes, that's exactly it. Presenting information is an 'overraction'

:rolls eyes:

Strawman much?

If there's nothing wrong with the reply, then you won't mind if I tell you to STFU, will you? But I won't ... since *that* is overreacting.

[MethuenProgressive]

16. Wonderful post debunking the OP!

___________________________________________

Maya Angelou
Jan 20, 2008
Published in The Observer
(picture source: http://www.mayaangelou.com /)



You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may tread me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.

This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits' end, but she has always risen, always risen,
don't forget she has always risen,
much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.

Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that
you do not give up on her. There is a world of difference between being
a woman and being an old female. If you're born a girl, grow up,
and live long enough, you can become an old female.

But to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility
for the time she takes up and the space she occupies.
Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country.

Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to be what it can become.
She declares she wants to see more smiles in the family, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. She is the prayer of every woman and man who longs for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.

She means to rise.

Don't give up on Hillary. In fact, if you help her to rise, you will
rise with her and help her make this country the wonderful, wonderful
place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious
piety and without crippling fear.

Rise, Hillary. Rise.

[rodeodance]

38. and I posted this correction last night

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject A correction to some nonsense posted here on DU Maya’s poem for Hillary:
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5338175#5338175
5338175, A correction to some nonsense posted here on DU Maya’s poem for Hillary:
Posted by rodeodance on Tue Apr-01-08 02:35 AM

I have read some posts saying Maya did not write this poem and even
Though I post this last week---But unfortuately,the false claim re-appeared once again
Yesterday (Monday).




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008
* Article history

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.
Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

………..

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

………
'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

………..
It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

……….
State Package for Hillary Clinton

You may write me down in history

With your bitter, twisted lies,

You may tread me in the very dirt

But still, like dust, I'll rise…….

[MethuenProgressive]

42. I saw that, and yet the DUbamas are STILL posting something they know isn't correct?

Tradition!

[rodeodance]

44. so many do not know how to learn the truth.

[Buzz Clik]

22. I think I, for one, shall not "shut the fuck up"

Here's the opening stanza of the poem reference in the OP

You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.

and the opening stanza in the one you quote:

You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may tread me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.

Now, the rest of the original bears no resemblance to the rest of the homage to Hillary. But, it would have been honest of you to at least admit that the opening lines were identical.

====================

upon editing: My support for Obama in no way interferes with my endless admiration of Maya Angelou. I sat four rows back in a live performance of hers (in which she delivered the original poem in question), and I'd see her again in a heartbeat.

[Iris]

23. I really wish you would because what you just posted makes no sense at all.

So what if the first stanza is the same in both poems? Is the attention span of Obama's supporters such that they can't read further and realize for themselves the poems are different?

[Buzz Clik]

31. Speaking of being too fucking lazy to read, why did you not read my entire post?

I made that PERFECTLY CLEAR.

Jesus effin' Christ. You goddam people aren't happy unless you're shitting on someone. \

Despicable.

[Iris]

60. I did.

And it wouldn't have made any difference. Why should we hold the hands of people who can't get past the first stanza?

[Chovexani]

56. Reading's hard.

:silly:

[Marrah_G]

29. Are you purposely being ignorant about this?

There are TWO poems. The second is BASED on the first. She wrote the second one for Hillary. The OP knows this. I think you know this.

Why are you so set on trying to stir shit where there is none to be found?

The OP posted a lie. I called them out on that lie and corrected it.

Not sure why you have such an issue with this.

[Buzz Clik]

32. READ MY POST, MARRAH!!!! I SAID THAT.

God damn! You've chosen the wrong person, cupcake. You're too lazy to read, but I will not be cowed.

I made those comments EXACTLY in my post, and you, in your phony outrage, pretend that I have no clue that there was a second poem.

What exactly is your agenda here? Pissing and moaning without end? Certainly, you have no basis for your complaint.

[Marrah_G]

40. You can keep your screaming to yourself and you know where you can shove that cupcake.

You are acting like a rude ignorant child having a tantrum because you are having trouble with reading comprehension.

Feel free to continue on your little tirade.

[Buzz Clik]

43. Nice bit of arguing, Marrah. "STFU" and "shove it". But you refuse to read.

Game, set, match.

You brought nothing to this contest, you go home empty handed.

[MethuenProgressive]

49. Great posts, Marrah!

You were brilliant in the face of... well, let's just say less-than-brilliant!

[Marrah_G]

34. Where on eath do you get the idea I would think some of the lines were not the same?

Of course they are. The second was based upon the first.

Just forget it... you are only looking for a fight and no matter what anyone says you will have another nasty reply.

I'm not going to play your games.

[Buzz Clik]

45. Ah, but this is the first time you admitted that, now isn't it? Games, indeed, Marrah.

[tammywammy]

24. You're right, there are 2 different poems

I've seen posters refer to "And Still I Rise" as written for Hillary, which is false. "Rise, Hillary, Rise" is for Hillary.

[SammyWinstonJack]

71. ...

:thumbsup:

[readmoreoften]

10. Stop embarrassing Barack Obama.

Do a damn fact check before you post a load of shit.

[Buzz Clik]

25. Speaking of fact checks: see post #22.

Lots of people quick on the trigger and slow on the google.

[durrrty libby]

11. Stunningly Disgusting and Ignorant OP

[LulaMay]

13. It's Easy to Post Misleading "Info" like this, almost as Easy as finding the Truth: LINK

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry

[SeaLyons]

20. ...

Thanks LulaMay

:bounce:

[Buzz Clik]

26. See post 22. The OP is not totally off base.

[merh]

14. Dr. Maya Angelou likes country music

I don't

It all is a matter of taste - the poet may appreciate the woman, this woman doesn't trust the politician.

[dogday]

21. Just another drive-by mis-information post

[Buzz Clik]

28. Have you bothered to compare the two poems?

[dogday]

35. Yes and I have heard this like a million times, it is old news

like a lot of these stories.. There was a poem very similar and that is the referenced poem but someone always grabs this one and post yet another post... Just like I am tired of seeing post about Obama say he is punishing, those are ridiculous too... Honestly doesn't there come a point where we are beating a dead horse with all these posts?

[rodeodance]

37. Read this:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject A correction to some nonsense posted here on DU Maya’s poem for Hillary:
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5338175#5338175
5338175, A correction to some nonsense posted here on DU Maya’s poem for Hillary:
Posted by rodeodance on Tue Apr-01-08 02:35 AM

I have read some posts saying Maya did not write this poem and even
Though I post this last week---But unfortuately,the false claim re-appeared once again
Yesterday (Monday).




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008
* Article history

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.
Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

………..

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

………
'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

………..
It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

……….
State Package for Hillary Clinton

You may write me down in history

With your bitter, twisted lies,

You may tread me in the very dirt

But still, like dust, I'll rise…….

[dogday]

41. I did yesterday and that is why I posted that the OP was

driving by with a mis-information item and yet to come back to the thread... I trust you and your information.. We have posted together on many C-SPAN threads and I am proud to call you my fellow Democrat...

[rodeodance]

47. Ha ha---You still got it wrong. Go on believing your lie.

[Buzz Clik]

48. Now you call someone basically on your side a liar?

:rofl: Always overly excited in your desire to disrupt.

[dogday]

52. I am not on her side or yours, I am on the side of the Democrats

first and always, but it hurt what she just said to me.. I did compliment her and she threw it back in my face... I am not against her or you...

[dogday]

51. why are you insulting me when I just told you

how much I admired you as a Democrat and you insult me? WTF Rodeodance???????

[Marrah_G]

54. I believe the poster posted in the wrong spot.

I doubt it was meant for you.

[dogday]

55. I think so too, but it still takes you back a second

when you see something like that... I wrote to her and told her, and let know it was ok...

[noel711]

65. OK, here I am, the OP...

what misinformation did I post?

What is the problem with the truth in the OP?

[dogday]

69. Then you will see where you made the mistake...

There are two poems very similar, but one was written for Hillary.. See Rodeodance's post... Hope this will clarify and thanks for coming back... :hi:

[noel711]

70. Hi Dogday

I surf DU early in the morning,
go to work,
and check in at night.

About the poem...
and I believe this was in my post
the orginal was written 1979
about the AFrican American woman experience.

A later derivative version was
dedicated to HIllary.

I believe that's the truth.

[Buzz Clik]

46. Thanks, rodeodance. I guess that was for those of us who missed it the first time on this thread.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

36. Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject A correction to some nonsense posted here on DU Maya’s poem for Hillary:
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5338175#5338175
5338175, A correction to some nonsense posted here on DU Maya’s poem for Hillary:
Posted by rodeodance on Tue Apr-01-08 02:35 AM

I have read some posts saying Maya did not write this poem and even
Though I post this last week---But unfortuately,the false claim re-appeared once again
Yesterday (Monday).




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008
* Article history

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.
Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

………..

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

………
'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

………..
It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

……….
State Package for Hillary Clinton

You may write me down in history

With your bitter, twisted lies,

You may tread me in the very dirt

But still, like dust, I'll rise…….

[jillan]

62. She used this poem in a statement of her support for Hillary.

[Texas Hill Country]

63. the hillary poem is called "Rise, Hillary, Rise" ... DUM.

it is a new poem that contains lines from And Still I Rise, but it was written specifically for Hillary.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

64. Maybe Elton John can re-write lyrics for "Candle in the Wind."

Yeesh.

[Buzz Clik]

67. Apparently, Sir Elton is giving a Hillary benefit concert in NYC soon. Perhaps then...

Vote for Hillary Diane
Though I never knew her at all
She has the grace to hold herself
While all her staffers crawled
They crawled out of the woodwork
And they whispered into her brain
They set her on the treadmill
And they made her change her name

And it seems to me she lives life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing which ideology to cling to
When the primaries set in
And I would have liked to have known her
But I was just a kid
Her chances for nomination flickered out long before
The legend ever did

Loneliness was tough
The toughest role you ever played
The White House made her a superstar
And pain was the price she paid
'Specially when Bill lied
Oh the press still hounds her
All the papers had to say
Was that Hillary stood behind her dude

Goodbye Hillary Diane
From the young man in the 22nd row
Who sees you as something as more than sexual
More than just our First Lady

[Buzz Clik]

68. What the hell. I'm giving that masterpiece its own thread.

[RememberWellstone]

66. It's for Obama!

Feel better now? How far will you stretch the truth to prop up your mighty Urkle?