Fundraising poor: Clinton to keep March numbers secret

[Changenow]

According to MSNBC the Clinton campaign's March fundraising was so bad that they have decided not to release the total it publicly.

The story went on to say they have enough money for some media buys and to fly Clinton around, but vendors from other states are warning their counterparts in Pennsylvania and elsewhere not to offer credit to Clinton.

[Kittycat]

1. Please tell me that first sentance is an April Fool's joke

It can't be THAT bad, can it? She got $5M early in the month, and nearly $3M at the end... That's $8M...

[Changenow]

That's the report

Maybe she spent twice her income?

[LiberalAndProud]

45. Did she?

How do you know this?

[PoliticalAmazon]

65. I think they have figures have to be filed by April 20; she also carries heavy debt n/t

[LakeSamish706]

2. That has to be bringing them down to the crunch I would think.... Hell..

if you have vendors in other states that are complaining, the money and bills must be real bad.

[Changenow]

5. Payroll will be a problem soon. nt

[Whisp]

3. KiKi McClean on CNN last night said:

The bills are taken care of.

maybe she was referring just to the health insurance bills - as this has been getting some airtime lately - but what about those Iowa vendors and others from back then?

[BeyondGeography]

15. And I'm sure she said it with a great big smug smile

[Cha]

39. And how can anyone believe her if she's

a clintonista?

[rainbow4321]

64. And the anchor's RESPONSE shoud have BEEN:

"So you are saying that when the FEC website is updated in a few weeks that Sen Clinton's debt will be minimal? No school districts/grocery stores/event planners/late health insurance monthly premiums, etc..."

Get her response on TAPE so if the frigging list shows otherwise, she can come back on their show and start the excuses, er, explanations.

[PoliticalAmazon]

66. AP said a spot-check showed some of the older Feb. bills were paid. n/t

[liberaldem4ever]

4. I think it is making it worse for them

To not release the information, whatever it is. All the speculation being talked about on MSNBC right now is making it sound really bad.

[Changenow]

7. It was awful a month ago

That was before Bosnia and her drop in the polls.

[LakeSamish706]

11. If it was awful then, it must be real close to a show stopper now. n/t

[LakeSamish706]

8. The problem for them now is, the word is out big time so one would expect...

that Obama can just play the waiting game....

[Tempest]

9. If the numbers weren't a problem

They would have released them.

I can't support a candidate who's unwilling to drop out of the race in the face of mounting debt. Imagine how she would govern the deficit.

[Erin Elizabeth]

53. Good point.

[slinkerwink]

14. I think it's another Clinton trick

[Changenow]

Could be. nt

[City Lights]

33. Tricks are all they have left, so you're probably right. eom

[Erin Elizabeth]

54. What's the trick?

What's the advantage for them to let people think they're sinking in debt and behind on fundraising?

[Hawkeye-X]

25. And the worst part is? She is *COMMITTED* to releasing her tax info

by April 15th or a few days before PA Primary, and she is due to keep her promise. She has to either *suspend* her campaign before that or release it and face the music. I am now 96% sure she is going to suspend her campaign before PA primaries.

Hawkeye-X

[VolcanoJen]

42. That depends on what the definition of "committed" is...

... and you know that. :-)

I swear, those tax returns aren't coming. They're not coming "soon, very soon" as she said days ago. They're not coming a few days before the PA Primary. They're not coming a week after Indiana.

They're not coming at all, and the Wolfson/Penn crowd will just spin like tops whenever they're asked about the returns. They'll say, "Well OBAMA hasn't released his kindergarten records yet," or something to that laughable effect. No, seriously.

[PoliticalAmazon]

68. Also depends on what the definition of "releasing" is. n/t

[Political Heretic]

72. Also on what the definition of "tax info" is... :)

[PoliticalAmazon]

69. Your post reminds me of Dr. Seuss!

LOL! Your post reminded me of Dr. Seuss:


She won't release them, no she won't,
So I don't expect them, no I don't.

They aren't coming very soon.
They aren't coming with the full moon.
They aren't coming before PA votes.
They aren't coming in little boats.
They aren't coming on a horse.
They aren't not coming unless there's force.
They aren't coming with a mime.
They aren't coming anytime!

[Political Heretic]

70. Really??? wow.... could you run down your reasoning for me?

Or link to where you've spelled it out before (I probably missed it)

I haven't been that optimistic...

[Texas Hill Country]

6. all 3 of them have not released yet... Obama, Clinton, McCain... so tired of BS posts

[Changenow]

10. Complain to MSNBC, it was their report

Maybe the other campaigns plan to release their numbers but the Clinton campaign said they will not?

[Tempest]

12. There's a big difference between not releasing them

And deciding to keep them secret.

[JayFredMuggs]

Please explain what the difference is?

I haven't got a clue!

[kwenu]

26. The difference is Hillary is in a financial hole and she's too embarrassed to admit it.

Your donations show the depth of support for your candidacy.

[rodeodance]

37. nbc evning news said bills are paid. Plus she raised the 3 million extra..

[Tempest]

31. It's simple

Not been released means it hasn't been done yet.

Stating that you will not be releasing them means they won't be released ever.

[BeyondGeography]

19. Stop yer bitching and donate

[JackORoses]

32. Hillary would make a terrible bum, no donations = no booze

[VolcanoJen]

43. Obama in March - The $30 Million Dollar Man

His campaign told Time Magazine he raised more than 30 million in March.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1727120,00.html

So make that Clinton and McCain haven't released, or spoken on the record about their March fundraising yet.

[Frank Booth]

47. edit

[karynnj]

50. Obama's were out

Remember the threads of about a week ago. Commenting on his income rising in the last 2 years - successful books and all.

[Changenow]

60. Obama has released his,

but Hillary is too ashamed to release hers.

[PoliticalAmazon]

71. Obama had >218,000 new contributors in March, and many of those...

...are now volunteering. This is just one of the benefits of bringing the small contributors into a campaign loyalty and willingness to do volunteer work.

[gal]

61. Obama has released

What else is it your looking for from him?

[TwilightGardener]

13. I'll bet it's just a strategy. They always do this, for fundraising sympathy--

pretend they're broke. Probably trying to lower expectations, too.

[Changenow]

16. The theme for the week is martyrdom,

So it wouldn't surprise me.

[slinkerwink]

20. yeah, she's always been a martyr

[wileedog]

22. I think you're on to something

Her best fundrasing month by far occured after it was released she had loaned money to her own campaign and was scraping the barrel.

This is to motivate the hardcore beleivers into giving more.

[Cha]

44. "Pretend you're broke" does not speak well

for donor confidence or the enthusiasm of other supporters..not a good strategy.

[Erin Elizabeth]

55. Yeah, I can't think how that would be an advantage.

It wouldn't work. It scares people. Especially the big donors. The regular folk might be motivated to cough up a bit more if they think things are bad, but that wouldn't be enough to overcome the hole they're in, so there'd be no advantage to playing broke.

[JBoy]

63. Having almost zero chance of winning doesn't inspire donors either.

Particularly "big" donors who are unlikely to see any ROI.

[undeterred]

17. Doesn't everyone have to file and make their numbers public?

I thought that was campaign finance law.

[Changenow]

18. There are delays,

it doesn't have to be filed promptly.

[PoliticalAmazon]

73. Have to be filed by April 20. n/t

[Eric J in MN]

74. They have to give the info to the FEC, but it may take the FEC until a month later...

...to release that to the public.

[SeaLyons]

21. Reality Check.....

Waiting On March Money
01 Apr 2008 12:54 pm

Today, we won't find out how much Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. John McCain, or Sen. Hillary Clinton raised in March.

The three campaigns will not be releasing their numbers today.

The buzz has Obama raising around $40M -- wholly unsubstantiated. The Obama team will not give me a ballpark figure. Obama has four fundraisers in Northern California on Sunday; two of them were sold out weeks in advance.

And rumors of the demise of the Clinton fundraising machine appear to be false: she's going to pull in at least $20M, according to folks with some sense of the numbers. (The Clinton campaign has no official comment either.)

McCain's March total will exceed the $12.5M he raised in February, according to Republicans with knowledge of his finances.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/wa...

[DerekJ]

29. The problem is 20 Mil won't do her any good..

When you are 3 Million in the red at the beginning of March, you are actually getting even more in the red as March progresses. So most of the 20 Mil has already been spent.

She needs to take in at least 35- 45 Mil to be viable again.

[DJ13]

23. I knew things were bad after they couldnt afford fuel for the bus

[Erin Elizabeth]

56. Is that a joke or is it for real?

If it's for real, how sad!

[kwenu]

24. Poor thing. I hear she's using her volunteers credit cards for funding.

[ladywnch]

27. it was reported on KO's show a few nights ago that her campaign

hadn't paid for her staffs health insurance for several months but finally came up with the $280K to get them current. Yeah, I'd say she is proabably in that bad a shape.

[Vinca]

28. I thought fundraising amounts had to be made public. nt

[NDambi]

30. Not immediately ...I think they can take up to 3 weeks or something like that

[johnnydrama]

34. i doubt it

I think it's pretty obvious she raised $20 million in March for two reasons

1. Bill Clinton asked people to donate before the end of March so their numbers wouldn't look bad.
2. Her donate 3 million by the end of March was not just an arbitrary figure. it was to get to 20 million, because 19 million would have looked very low.

$20 million still isn't that great.

[candice]

35. Check the Web site--it was over $3 million

[thevoiceofreason]

36. Word on the street is Barack is north of $30 million for March.

[anonymous171]

38. The Clintons and transparency aren't very good friends.

[VolcanoJen]

40. Whatever she hauls in for March, I hope she pays back that Hi-Vee grocery store in Iowa...

... among other creditors. She owes over $8 million to all kinds of groups who thought she'd be good for it.

[loveangelc]

41. I hear she raised close to 20 million dollars.

[cliffordu]

46. OUCH!!! Fock.

That's going to leave a mark.

:cry:

[Tempest]

48. Obama raised $40 million in March, Clinton's estimated at $20 million

Sen. Barack Obama has raised more than $40 million in March with the help of more than 218,000 new donors.

The amount is less than the record $55 million he raised in February, but still a sizable amount that sustains his place as the fundraising leader among all presidential candidates.

Clinton is expected to have raised about $20 million in March, but her campaign has not announced any totals. Details of their March fundraising will be made public in official reports filed with the Federal Election Commission April 20.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3254015

[Lucky 13]

49. According to TIME she's raised only $20mil in March.

Unconfirmed sources report...

[Erin Elizabeth]

51. I've thought for a little while now that

money is going to be the final blow to her campaign. She's already behind, and even with a PA win, she can't catch up. She's been bleeding superdelegates, Obama's been picking up one or two a day. Add money troubles to that pile of suck and it'll all come falling down. The whole house of cards.

[Bensthename]

52. Hillary to her grandkids: I was shot at and couldnt pay my bills so I lost PA and thus the election.

[BlueIdaho]

57. HRC plans bake sale to fund campaign...

Meanwhile billy is going to twist a few arms down in the Grand Caymans at his tax sheltered offshore investments office and have Carvel call in a few notes from those last second presidential pardons.

Now that's democracy in action!

[NoodleyAppendage]

58. Good. Stick a fork in her and send her off to obscurity. Begone spot from the Dem's eye. n/t

J

[madwivoter]

59. Another link...

Obama: $40 mil+

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/03/dem.fund.raising/index.html

*snip*

Clinton has not announced her March fundraising figure yet.

The Clinton campaign has said it would not release its March figures until it is required required to file a report with the Federal Election Commission on April 20, just two days before the critical Pennsylvania primary on April 22.

[rainbow4321]

62. Woooo-hoooooo!!!! Let's hear it for the vendors!!!!

FINALLY, her IOU-not-worth-the-knapkins-they-are-written-on have surfaced to a point where she has to live like a REAL person...crappy credit = no MORE credit til you clean up your mess. Welcome to the real world, Hillary.

Hence the recycled 3 am commercial??


Anxiously awaiting her new FEC website IOU list in a few weeks. She can hide her fucking numbers from the MSM all she wants NOW..can't hide from the FEC.

What she is hoping is that the average "catch the news every now and again" voter probably has no clue what the FEC reports are, never mind how to find them on the internet.

Seeing as how several of her vendors are production/event companies and for her rallies , it will be interesting if we see dramatically scaled down HRC appearances in PA.

[grantcart]

67. could it be that the 20 includes another loan?