Indiana Clinton 52 Obama 43

[goldcanyonaz]

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=35417ff6-4985-47ce-8e1b-3fbe566d108d&q=45558

[easy_b94]

1. thats Old

[goldcanyonaz]

3. It was released today. A few hours old?

[polpilot]

37. I think it's true..saw some republicans doing cartwheels in the street.

[susankh4]

36. Nope. Brand spanking new!

"1,650 Indiana adults were interviewed 03/29/08 through 03/31/08. Of them, 1,435 were registered to vote. Of them, 530 were determined by SurveyUSA to be likely to vote in the 05/06/08 Democratic"

[gateley]

2. I always have to be reminded state by state --

is this pretty much how it's been projected? Thanks.

[goldcanyonaz]

4. Have no idea, just saw a new poll and posted it.

[NJSecularist]

5. I'm surprised Obama is doing this well.

[goldcanyonaz]

9. I'm more surprised that Clinton is.

[NJSecularist]

14. Why? There isn't much in Indiana for Obama.

Indiana is like Tennessee with a smaller black population. Hillary should dominate in Indiana.

[goldcanyonaz]

16. Ever been to Indiana? I'm surprised she's polling so well with men.

[NJSecularist]

19. Give me a break.

According to Hillary supporters, every state in the union is sexist. :crazy: :crazy:

[goldcanyonaz]

23. And, according to Obama supporters, every state in the union is racist.

That was your implication in your post.

[cali]

46. Nope. My state isn't.

We just don't like Clintons in Vermont. Granted, we like them better than bushes, but that's not saying much.

[JuniperLea]

65. Now you speak for the entire state?

Interesting...

[Hawkeye-X]

21. Guess Gary, IN and its surrounding areas was not polled.

I would take the poll with a large grain of salt.

[musicblind]

IDK, Obama will probably do a good deal better than that poll

for sure. but SUSA has been pretty accurate thus far.

[UALRBSofL]

28. NJSecularist Indiana is well, odd

It;s in it's on little world. This is the first poll I have seen. I didn't think Indiana was being polled.

[NJSecularist]

34. I personally thought it would be more like Kentucky than, say, another state near it, like Ohio.

It is an independent state, much different from most of the South, despite the fact that is a pretty true red state.

[Tropics_Dude83]

22. Filtering: 1,650 Indiana adults were interviewed 03/29/08 through 03/31/08.

It's new and it's dreadful news.

[polpilot]

38. Wait 'til November...it'll be a REAL surprise for some...

But NOT for me. Obama '08

[Timefortruth]

39. This looks like very good news for Obama

They must be very pleased.

[jillan]

6. Really??

:bounce:

[Adelante]

7. Not bad

Thank you.

[TAWS]

8. "Clinton leads by 21 among Republicans"

Yea...republicans support Obama.

[goldcanyonaz]

11. Without the Republican voters, Clinton would still lead, though by 7 instead of 9.

[grantcart]

29. 7 points and the campaign hasn't started

he can close 7 points in one week

[MadBadger]

10. Same old story as before...Obama will have two weeks to close a nine point lead

Once PA is over. I trust he can do that.

[phrigndumass]

12. It's a new poll. March 29-31 ... Thanks!

:hi:

[goldcanyonaz]

17. You're welcome. Thanks for the thanks.

:hi:

[TwilightGardener]

13. That's not bad--it's doable for Obama, even in a state where Evan Bayh

is clearly vying for Hillary's VP spot. Gotta keep chipping away, one state at a time.

[avrdream]

15. Cool numbers.

Thanks goldie!

[democrattotheend]

18. Finally, some Indiana polling

There had not been any and I had no idea what to expect. I am glad Clinton is starting out ahead...that sets up the narrative better. Honestly, i am surprised Obama is even competitive there at all...demographically it seems like a terrible state for him.

[goldcanyonaz]

27. Why?

[democrattotheend]

30. A lot like Ohio, but with fewer African Americans

Lots of white working class voters.

[goldcanyonaz]

31. Like Iowa?

[Abacus]

44. I was surprised as well

Obama does well in states with a low African American population (less than 6%) or high African American population (greater than 17%)
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3597/the_clinton_firewall/

The African American population in Indiana is ~8.9%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18000.html

Iowa's is ~2.5%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/19000.html

Ohio's is ~12.0%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/39000.html


Indiana should be solidly Hillary's demographic.

[goldcanyonaz]

52. Interesting data, thanks.

[democrattotheend]

48. Yeah, but he had a lot of time in Iowa for people to get to know him

I hope he wins Indiana, but I am not banking on it.

[BlooInBloo]

20. I'm shocked it's that close. In fact, I don't believe it.

[CreekDog]

24. I would worry about this but Wolfson and Penn said red states don't count

:shrug:

[Tropics_Dude83]

25. With Clinton not doing as well as in PA as expected

I just gave her 12 point wins in PA and Indiana and then did the rest of the states, Obama still ends up more than 100 pledged delegates ahead.

So, not quite as bad as I thought. Big deal she's ahead in Indiana.

She needs a 20 point win in PA to be even remotely competitive

[AZ Criminal JD]

56. Only in your mind.

[Tropics_Dude83]

60. Thanks for the insult

Contribute much?

LOOK AT THE DELEGATE MATH.

[BigDDem]

26. She MUST drop out!

:rofl:

[Joe the Revelator]

32. This race isn't making it to Indiana.

Book it.

[goldcanyonaz]

35. Uh huh...

[Joe the Revelator]

43. Can you tell me any reason that it should?

[JuniperLea]

47. Doesn't every American have the right to vote in the primary?

Why would you want to keep some people in America from voting?

I think it should go on for this reason alone.

[GarbagemanLB]

49. So I take it you believe whoever wins the pledged delegate totals wins the nomination? Every vote

counts, right?

[JuniperLea]

50. I have no dog in this race... I voted Edwards before he threw in the towel...

And I don't care much for either of the left-overs, quite frankly. But I will whole-heartedly support the Democrat that gets the nomination, whomever that person is.

Once the delegates have their final say, I'm behind them. Once they have their FINAL say. Not yet... once the voting is over.

[Orsino]

53. There is no right to more than one candidate on the ballot, not this late in the game.

Or as early as Michigan, for that matter.

[JuniperLea]

55. Show me where that is written!

I say you are wrong, completely wrong. This cutting the playing field early is a product of the past 20 - 30 years... I've never agreed with it and there are a lot of very patriotic people who feel the same.

How is it ever right to keep the American citizenry from voting?!? That is just absurd! And wrong! Hella wrong!!!

[Orsino]

58. I'm saying that there is no such right--which is why you haven't find it.

I'd be in favor of one big super Tuesday, too, and to hell with early and late primaries. But isn't guaranteed us. If you don't like it, the theory says, go find another party (never mind that only two parties have a chance at selecting a president).

[JuniperLea]

59. You made an assertion, it's up to you to prove what you've said, not me.

There are a lot of voter rights fights going on. And many fights in the past because people have been denied the right to vote.

http://www.aclu.org/votingrights/index.html

I would like to see the system changed and modernized based on how our society is now as opposed to 200+ years ago, but until that time, I fully support the right of the people of the USA to vote. We do have voting rights.

[Orsino]

62. Nope. You asserted a right that doesn't exist on paper.

It can't be found, no matter how much you and I might wish for it.

[JuniperLea]

64. I asked a question, you answered with an assertion...

Nice try though;)

[Orsino]

67. Your position is admirable, but untenable.

You and I would like to believe that everyone always gets a chance to vote. Primary rules are party-based, though, and the Constitution doesn't address the issue. C'mon--why assert a right that isn't there?

[JuniperLea]

69. You don't think voters have rights?

C'mon... I asked a question, you made an assertion without being able to back it up. My position, being that I asked a question, you made an assertion without being able to back it up, is pretty freaking firm if you ask me.

[Orsino]

72. I think you're confusing Americans' right to vote with Democrats' right to vote in a primary.

The latter is a privilege of party membership*.

It's long-standing tradition, too, that late primaries make whole state populations irrelevant. If you were crafting a right-to-vote law for primaries, how would you construct it? One big Superduper Tuesday?

*Oops: though often extended in open primaries.

[JuniperLea]

73. You still haven't answered the question...

sigh

[Orsino]

74. I'm doing my best to follow you.

You say you want everyone guaranteed a vote. I'm just pointing out that it's counterproductive to pretend that such a right already exists, when it just plain doesn't. Every election cycle, some voters wind up ignored, and this isn't generally considered a crisis.

I, too, would like a primary system where no one becomes irrelevant before the end. Do you have serious proposals as to how to get there? I'm interested.

But please don't demand that I prove a negative.

[JuniperLea]

75. It's only been in the past 20 - 30 years

That people have been denied voting in the primaries. I think this is wrong.

I'm only asking you to back up what you said in answer to my question. If you can't prove out what you say, DUers generally don't like that.

[Orsino]

76. Did you not mean, then that voting in a primary is a right?

That's how I interpreted "wrong, completely wrong" up the thread. We;;, either you confused me with someone who advocated denying people votes, or you are postulating the existence of a right to vote in a primary.

I don't think you are interested in serious proposals.

[JuniperLea]

77. Voting is a right...

All of America's citizenry has the right to vote. Period. I've spent a lot of time reading the rules with regard to all rights of voters. Voting appears to be voting. Period.


Sorry if I don't reply... I need to spend some time IRL:) I'm about to shut this puppy down and enjoy a lovely evening.

[Orsino]

79. Not period.

There are all sorts of restrictions on voting, what with age restrictions, residency requirements and disenfranchisement for felonies. Voting in primaries is also a special case, as often party registration is required--and of course you have to pick one and only one party's primary.

[Joe the Revelator]

54. Does that normally happen in modern primarys, or, when someones campaign becomes a fantasy....

do we normally start focusing on the republicans?

Really?

[JuniperLea]

57. See above...

This cutting the playing field before all Americans have the chance to vote is a relatively recent deal in the 200+ year history of our country. Our elections have been going down the tubes for 20 to 30 years now, and guess what! That is how long this early primary end BS has been going on.

It is never, ever a good thing to keep the American citizenry from voting! Never. Michigan and Florida should be held accountable for screwing this primary up for their citizens too. I think seating the delegates as they stand now isn't the right thing to do, but I'm not in charge. And none of us have a full perspective.

[k8conant]

70. We'll still vote here in West Virginia on May 13 for Obama...

I voted for Kucinich in 2004, but I'll vote for Barack Obama this year since Dennis left long ago.

[susankh4]

33. Wow! I thought Obama had gained in Indiana!

I can't believe he's this far behind.

What happened?

[Leopolds Ghost]

40. People who would never dream of voting for Clinton in the GE feel she's being "gang-raped"

And are coming out to support that flower of white middle class society, the "security mom".

[JuniperLea]

51. I'm sure there will be a lot of changes, in both directions

And I'm all for fully vetted candidates... and I'm all for every American who is eligible to vote getting their Constitutional right to exercise that right to vote!

[hogwyld]

41. I guess we'll all hear from the M$M

For Obama to pull out of the race now...

[zulchzulu]

42. That lead should fizzle in a week or two. Enjoy it while it lasts!

:rofl:

[dog_lovin_dem]

45. Barack has only been to Indiana once

so far and only began opening campaign offices in the state within the past couple of weeks. I live across the river in Illinois, so I have been keeping a close watch on the neighboring state.
There was a panel made up of Obama's aides at ISU in Terre Haute today, and his office in that "city" began organizing a GOTV this past weekend. In addition, he began running TV ads last Friday. On the other hand, Senator Clinton has visited the state a number of times, as have Bill and Chelsea.
I am sure the numbers will change once Barack gets his feet on the ground in the state.

[Tatiana]

61. Thanks for posting this. Sounds about right.

Though a litle closer than I thought. I never thought Obama would win Indiana, but he team thought he could and with a spread this small, I'm starting to think he can do it too.

[mudesi]

63. Hey goldcanyonaz...

...Learn to add and subtract. Obama has won the nomination.

[OzarkDem]

66. He's got 2,025 pledged delegates?

Who knew? :shrug:

[writes3000]

68. Being condescending isn't going to convince anyone of anything. n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

78. You need a hug.

:hug:

[undeterred]

71. Basketball?