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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:57 PM
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How can you tell if someone is a pathological liar?
Content From WikiAnswers is in italics below. For original non-political article, see: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_you_tell_if_someone_is_a_pathological_liar

How can you tell if someone is a pathological liar?

1. Exaggerates things that are ridiculous.

Here, the best example is how Hillary lied about how she was given her name. Even snopes calls Clinton out on this lie (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillary.asp). She claimed that her mother named her after the first Mt. Everest climber, Sir Edmund Hillary. Unfortunately, he wasn't really world-famous by the time Hillary was born and certainly hadn't climbed Mt. Everest. The sad thing is, Hillary lied to Sir Edmund himself about it and that is how it all started. She didn't stop lying about this until she started running for President when her campaign realized this was too much of a liability for her chances to run and they promptly cleaned it up at the beginning of her 2008 run.

2. One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better. You will never top them in their own mind, because they have a concerted need to be better than everyone else. This also applies to being right. If you try to confront an individual like this, no matter how lovingly and well-intentioned you might be - this will probably not be effective. It's threatening their fantasy of themselves, so they would rather argue with you and bring out the sharp knives than admit that there's anything wrong with them.

A great example of Clinton one-upping is her lie about Chelsea on 9/11. This is best explain by Clinton's former campaign manager, Dick Morris:
She said that Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11 and happened to duck into a coffee shop when the airplanes hit. She said that this move saved Chelsea's life. But Chelsea told Talk magazine that she was in a friend's apartment four miles from ground zero when the first plane hit. Her friend called her, waking her up, and told her to turn on the TV. On television, she saw the second plane hit, disproving Hillary's claim that "she heard the plane hit. She heard it. She did."

So why did Hillary make up the story about Chelsea? Most likely to was because her co-senator (and implicit rival for the voter's affection), a real New Yorker Chuck Schumer spoke of his daughter, who attended Stuyvesant High School (Dick's alma mater) located next to the TRade Center, being at real risk on 9/11. Hillary needed to make herself part of the scene.

She invented the entire story on national television, the "Today" show, and didn't blink an eye.

Yes, indeed, classical, pathological one-upping of Chuck Schumer.

3. They "construct" a reality around themselves. They don't value the truth, especially if they don't see it as hurting anyone. If you call them on a lie and they are backed into a corner, they will act very defensively and say ugly things (most likely but depends on personality), but they may eventually start to act like, "Well, what's the difference? You're making a big deal out of nothing!" (again, to refocus the conversation to your wrongdoing instead of theirs).

Her constructed reality of landing under sniper fire in Bosnia and rushing to armored vehicles like some Rambo movie is sharply contrasted with the true reality caught on video tape. The problem is, she has been telling this whopper of a war story over and over and over again, showing that she doesn't value the truth.

4. Because these people don't value honesty, a lot of times they will not value loyalty. So watch what you tell them. They will not only tell others, but they will embellish to make you look worse. Their loyalty is fleeting, and because they are insecure people, they will find solace in confiding to whomever is in their favor at the moment.

Look what she and her campaign has said about Richardson and other Super Delegates like Kennedy and Kerry who have exercised their right to support Obama. She has embellished the truth and things these people have said to make them basically look worse. Clinton does not value and has no loyalty, except to her own self and it's poorly constructed reality.

5. They may be somewhat of a hypochondriac. This can come in especially useful when caught in a lie, for example, they can claim that they have been sick, or that there's some mysteriously "illness" that has them all stressed out. It's another excuse tool for their behavior.

When caught in her recent lies, her excuse? Exhaustion, tired, not remembering things clearly because of stress. Yep, she fits the pathology to a T.

6. Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very clear over time. They usually aren't smart enough to keep track of so many lies (who would be?).

She can't even keep track of what she says anymore. She voted for the war and praised its successes, but vows to bring the soldiers home. She voted for the bankruptcy bill but contradicts that with her false stories of helping those caught in the sub-prime lending crisis. She says she's all for pulling out of NAFTA and how she fought against it when the documents show she was a proponent of NAFTA all along and has told Canada that they have nothing to worry about with her campaign rhetoric.

Yes, it is plain to see, through Clinton's own public statements and behavior, caught on video and well documented, that she indeed meets all the indicators of being a pathological liar.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:06 PM
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1. Convinced me!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:24 PM
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2. Whadda buncha shit.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:27 PM
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3. I find the "Republican" brandname a rather reliable indicator of prevaricative tendency
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:28 PM
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4. Excellent analysis! K&R!
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:31 PM
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5. Dr. Phil? Is that you? (nt)
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:48 PM
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6. Some folks don't understand what basic honesty is all about.
To these men, the truth is but a lie undiscovered. - Mary MacGregor "Rob Roy"
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:00 PM
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7. I thought you were going to say, "Because her name is (insert the
name of my boss here)" and I was wondering how you knew the bitch.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:42 AM
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18. Your boss is Hillary? Wow!
:rofl:
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:02 PM
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8. i know a few simple "tells" that help me quickly identify liars:
1) they identify themselves are a "republican"
2) they manage to mention their belief in christ within the first 5 minutes after meeting you or otherwise wear their religion on their sleeve. (note that i know and respect and trust plenty of christians, i'm not slamming christianity or christians broadly; i'm only talking about the ones i refer to as "proclaimers" who insist on working it into every conversation the way a con artist feels compelled to establish confidence in quickly in order to screw you later.)
3) they actually run for office.

any one of these is a sure-fire sign of a liar.

all three in one person and you've got most of the right-wingers in power these days!
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:05 PM
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9. I have, unfortunately, lost a lot of respect for Hillary lately
and the main reason is the lies.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:09 PM
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10. Excellent!!! K&R
:kick:
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DUgosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:33 PM
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11. George Bush, his wife, his mistress Condolezza Rice, Dick Cheney, his wife
are pathological liars. Not even in the same league with someone who might tend to over dramatize situations. My Mother and both my sisters are drama queens, not pathological liars. Most of my republican relatives are totally deceived, brainwashed, but not pathological liars. They just repeat the GOP brainwashing talking points. All of these folks come into different catagories. The media is doing the same thing they did to Al Gore about what he supposedely said at a Middle School during the election of 2000. And then there was the invention of the internet quote. Of course George had DWI's that were totally hidden and then lied about and covered up in 2000 but that was different because he's a good ol boy, and you know how they love to party. The Right Wing Media selectively chooses what they print, nothing about Condoleeza lies, nothing about George's hangovers,and his girlfriends abortion, and the missing year of nation guard service, nothing about McCains multiple affairs, and Cindy's drug addictions, and the fact that John McCain sought out John Hagee endorsement then lied about it. Hugh! but unreported.... and Laura intentionally runs over and murders her ex boyfriend but thats okay too. :sarcasm:
Swiftboating Hillary for being a drama queeen is so much more important :sarcasm: than murder.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:28 AM
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17. Soooo,... you want a Drama Queen for President? And she's much worse than that.
I've only covered a fraction of her well known lies. There are many more examples. Her problem is, she can't tell the truth from fantasy.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:45 PM
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12. K&R..... but don't expect any Hillbots to read it.....
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:37 AM
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13. I have a good friend like this
He's a really nice person, but has a constant need to lie and one-up everyone else. It's kind of amusing but he's been that way since I first met him over ten years ago. In many ways he hasn't changed.

But after a while I think he realized that I simply don't buy his lies. I never called him out on any of them, but I simply ignored it altogether and didn't take half of what he was saying seriously.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:54 AM
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14. .
Morning kick
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:03 AM
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15. This is exactly what the republcans did to Al Gore in 2000
This is a smear campaign by Obama supporters.

It is obvious that Obama supporters arent interested in talking about policy, hense the endless negativity.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:12 AM
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16. Al Gore was not a pathological liar, unlike Hillary.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:40 AM
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22. Smear? LOL
I love when people cry "Smear!" anytime there is anything negative about a candidate. Smear has a disctinct meaning, which is usually taking an innocuous event and using it to negative effect. Or to intentionally falsify an event to attack someone. Implied in the term is an unfairness to the methodology.

How did the OP smear Clinton? She does have a documented history of lying. Do you believe she misspoke about the sniper fire? Or about Chelsea jogging around WTC? Or do you simply not consider lying to be an issue for a political candidate?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:42 PM
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24. Crazy, isn't it, how they see things?
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:58 AM
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19. I can only quote the Michael Scott...
WikiAnswers and Wikipedia are great. I can only quote the Michael Scott character from the television show, The Office...

"Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information."
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:37 AM
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20. Knock the source all you want...
The truth remains, she fits nearly all the indicators of a pathological liar. It's not a diagnosis, but she sure fits the bill.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:53 AM
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21. it seems only fair we have armchair psychoanalysts...
Frist was an armchair physician, so it seems only fair we have armchair psychoanalysts...

And horror of horrors!!!-- why would anyone mock so esteemed a source, so academically trusted a source, and so accurate in its presentations as the Wiki family?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:50 AM
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23. It doesn't take an expert to tell Hillary has a deep problem with the truth.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:37 PM
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25. Dinner time kick.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:39 PM
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26. Excellent OP. K & R.
n/t.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:41 PM
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27. The Obama logo.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:46 PM
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28. .
evening kick
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