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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:04 AM
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Barack Obama pushes campaign into Clinton family turf
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 08:13 AM by bigtree
Tuesday April 1, 2008




Barack Obama's White House campaign thrust deep into enemy territory Tuesday, with speeches in rival Hillary Clinton's family turf of northeastern Pennsylvania where she too aimed to woo support.

Amid their cat-and-mouse pursuit of the eastern state's Democratic voters, both candidates had back-to-back appearances slated for the sister cities of Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, old coal-mining centers nestled along the Susquehanna River.

Nearing the end of his six-day tour of the state, Obama is pushing into the core of Clinton country in an uphill fight for a state strongly leaning for her as its April 22 primary approaches.

Obama downplayed the divisiveness of the tooth-and-nail fight with Clinton, stressing to supporters here that the Democrats' prime objective was to oust the Republicans from eight years at the White House helm.

"It's creating excitement and interest that will serve the Democrats very well," Obama said of the neck-and-neck race.

"If we stay focused on the fact that there are people out there that are counting on us to do something on health care, on the home mortgage issue, on the Iraq war, the Democrats will win."




Sen. Obama emerged from behind the massive American flag hanging from the rafters to a volley of cheers and screams from the more than 2,000 people in attendance, marking the start of a charged political day in Wilkes-Barre.

His remarks, laced with messages of change, were interspersed with cheers, a standing ovation and raucous chants of "yes we can" from the crowd..

Obama highlighted hot-button issues during his remarks, including the war in Iraq, the flagging economy, mortgage foreclosures, uninsured Americans, education and the national debt.

He fired on President Bush and politics of presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain, of Arizona, saying the current administration has ignored the American people.

"Your voices have not been heard," Obama said.



Obama said McCain offered "four more years of the same George W. Bush policies that have gotten us into the pickle that we're in right now." He argued that McCain was most interested in tax cuts for wealthy Americans and trade agreements "that fail to look after American workers." McCain's response to the housing crisis, Obama said, "amounts to little more than standing on the sidelines and watching millions of Americans lose their homes."

Obama, speaking in Wilkes-Barre, said McCain's open-ended commitment to maintain a U.S. military presence in Iraq showed a lack of judgment.

"Sen. McCain is saying I don't understand national security," Obama said, "but he is the one who wants to keep tens of thousands of United States troops in Iraq for as long as 100 years, even though this war has not made us safer."

Having permanent bases in Iraq, Obama said, "may make sense for George Bush and John McCain, but it is the wrong thing to do."



Second-grader Michael LaCoste wants his own shot at becoming commander in chief.

The 8-year-old attended Barack Obama’s first appearance in Wilkes-Barre, Tuesday’s town hall meeting at Wilkes University, with his grandmother.

He asked what he needed to do to become president.

Obama cracked a smile and advised him to work hard by maintaining good grades, have a strong desire to help people and do what his grandmother tells him to do.

The exchange drew applause and cheers – one of the many highlights of the Illinois senator’s 69-minute address.




After speaking at Wilkes University on Tuesday, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama spoke with a Times-Shamrock Newspapers reporter about his campaign, financial support and Sen. Bob Casey Jr.'s endorsement.

"Look at how I spent my life, Obama told Times-Tribune reporter Borys Krawczeniuk, I started my career as a community organizer working for $12,000 a year for three-and-a-half years in some of the poorest neighborhoods in Chicago, and helping steel workers who've been laid off. And so my career in public service has been consistent and it's always been devoted to fighting on behalf of folks who needed it."

"When I got out of Harvard Law School, I obviously had a lot of options, and instead of going with big corporate firms, I went to work with a civil rights group on behalf of people who had gotten a raw deal on the job. So there's a consistency, I think, that people can count on in our campaign," he said.

Reporter: What did Sen. Bob Casey tell you to expect in Pennsylvania, and what has your impression of the state been?

Obama: "Bob, I think, simply said that we've got good people here in Pennsylvania, and that was my expectation and that expectation has been borne out. I mean, people have responded with enormous graciousness and hospitality and people have been open to my argument that we've got to bring about change.

Now obviously there are a lot of people here who have fallen on hard times. But they're not that different from some of the communities that I went to organize when I first got out of college or downstate (Illinois) communities that see jobs shipped overseas.

There haven't been huge surprises other than the landscape, which is a lot prettier than I expected. What it has done is reinforce my belief that people are decent, they're hard-working, they're not looking for a handout from the government, but they have lost trust in government's ability to make sure that people can find steady work and look after their families.





Sen. Obama's Dunmore visit with photo galleries and video: http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19444935&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=6
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:09 AM
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1. K & R
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:14 AM
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2. OHHHH! The "w" halo affect..
Hmm wait wasn't that a bad thing when it was done for shrub?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:28 PM
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26. I think it's a great shot
and, yes, anything associated with Bush is a 'bad thing'.
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:14 AM
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3. K&R
good morning bigtree :hi:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:45 AM
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4. yes it is
and thank you.

Yesterday it was Spring here . . . today, back to Winter. Everything's still pushing up though . . .

Thanks for looking in :hi:
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:45 AM
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5. LOL EVERYWHERE is Hillary's "home turf"
She's from PA, from Arkansas, from NY, said she grew up in Chicago too... I've never seen someone live as many places as Hillary. She's like a fucking traveling gypsy or something.

Rp
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:07 AM
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7. It's a family history in the state. Why this is such a bone of contention, I'm sure I'll never get
Her father's home still stands as a visiting spot there.

Clinton's father, Hugh Rodham, grew up here before moving his family to Illinois, where she was born and raised. Rodham is buried in Scranton.

Clinton's family still owns the yellow, wood-sided cottage on a hill overlooking the lake. Her brothers, Hugh and Tony Rodham, visit each summer, locals say, whacking golf balls on the nearby course and turning up in the local eateries.

Even in prosperity, Hugh Rodham clung to his hardscrabble past, a part of which was the cottage, originally built with no heat or inside plumbing. Each August, he piled the family before dawn into the family Lincoln - "the barge," according to Clinton - and set off for another two weeks at Lake Winola.

In his new biography of Hillary Clinton, Carl Bernstein writes that Rodham "meant the vacation to connect his children to a past not as privileged as the one they knew in Park Ridge, as well as to maintain a strong sense of family."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20080308_LAKE_WINOLA__Pa__-_Ice_still_covers_the_lake__Shades_NO_HEAD_SPECIFIED.html


When asked what it would mean for the region if Clinton were elected president, she replied, "I think it would mean you would have a friend and real partner in the White House. Someone who has a great deal of affection for the people here and knows how hard people have struggled the last 50 years."

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19376067&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=618523&rfi=6
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:59 PM
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13. Too bad she didn't win her real home state of Illinois.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:30 PM
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14. yep
too bad.
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:29 AM
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10. i've lived more places than Hillary
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 09:31 AM by shugah
and i have found that living in different parts of the country has been a good thing overall - expanding the horizon and all that. i don't think the fact that hillary has lived in several places is a negative at all.

this "f***ing traveling gypsy" obama supporter would request that you consider that the OP is a very positive post :-)
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:45 PM
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15. Maybe you have but on it's face it looks silly
It looks incredibly panderific to go to every state and say, "This is my home state" or "this is where I grew up".

Why not just claim every place and get it over with. When someone says that politically it is usually used to make a connection with residents of that area that you understand their unique experience because you've dealt with the full hardships that come with it. It's hard to make people feel that this is genuine regardless of whether you spent a few years in one place or another if you're constantly making the claim to grasp every communities' pain.

For instance, I have lived all over Wisconsin but I spent the bulk of my life in the Fox Cities. The five years I spent living on a farm in Southwestern WI and the few years I lived in a Milwaukee were all during my childhood and while I appreciate those places and the mindset that goes with them I wouldn't go to each one claiming I fully understood each of their experiences. I could make such a claim for Oshkosh where I spent the bulk of my life. I have now lived back in Milwaukee for over 2 years which means I spent the first 7 years of my life here and the last two but I wouldn't claim to have some sort of edge in knowing the Milwaukee experience as well as lifelong residents.

And that's where her going around and claiming all of these places as their home and pretending to have a true understanding of all of these places rings incredibly hollow and false.

Rp
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:15 PM
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18. Funny, a coworker said the same thing about Obama
He said that Obama claims Illinois, Hawaii, Kansas, and Indonesia (Democrats Abroad) as home states...kind of ridiculous.

I'm only 24 and I was born in Massachusetts, grew up in New Jersey, went to high school in Philadelphia, lived in DC for college, and now live in Northern Virginia. People move around a lot. What's the big deal.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:34 PM
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19. Strange since I have never seen him claim all of those other states as "home states"
I have seen him say Illinois is is home state and that he lived in Indonesia and some other places but to the best of my knowledge he hasn't claimed them all his home states like Hillary is doing every place she stops to pander.

Rp
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:48 PM
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21. what you've done here is perpetuate a falsehood. This is the assertion of the author of the article
based on the Clinton family ties to the area. Her father is buried in Scranton.

I challenge you to find ANYWHERE Hillary Clinton has personally made some undue association with a state.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:34 PM
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27. Well we know how that challenge would be met....
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 07:35 PM by MessiahRp
"But she DID really live there at some point" or "But her family DID used to live there"... aka if she stays somewhere for a period of time or has some relatives somewhere that she might have stayed at for a few days, it's her home. Please....

And you're the one who BS'd about Obama claiming all those other places as his "home". Hillary has thusfar claimed Arkansas, New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania blatantly as her home. You can't claim every place as your home state just because you lived there for awhile. In politics it to say that is to mean, "I connect with you and know everything you have on your plate."

It's one thing to spend a majority of years in one location and then truly understand the daily struggles of life associated with the people who live in that area, but it's another when you're clearly pandering to try to win support in states.

Not to mention, when's the last time Hillary actually struggled or had everyday people hardships anyway? It's been 16 years since they got into the White House... much longer since the Arkansas Governorship became Bill's job. And no, Washington D.C. troubles do not count as "everyday people" hardships.

Rp
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:44 PM
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28. the association suggested in the title is entirely correct
Clinton's father, Hugh Rodham, grew up here before moving his family to Illinois, where she was born and raised. Rodham is buried in Scranton.


"It's definitely a moment of pride," said Mary Stoko, past president of the Lake Winola Cottagers' Association, who lives year-round in her lakeside home. "She is a part of us - that's the way I believe most people think of it."



Clinton's family still owns the yellow, wood-sided cottage on a hill overlooking the lake. Her brothers, Hugh and Tony Rodham, visit each summer, locals say, whacking golf balls on the nearby course and turning up in the local eateries.


Even in prosperity, Hugh Rodham clung to his hardscrabble past, a part of which was the cottage, originally built with no heat or inside plumbing. Each August, he piled the family before dawn into the family Lincoln - "the barge," according to Clinton - and set off for another two weeks at Lake Winola.

In his new biography of Hillary Clinton, Carl Bernstein writes that Rodham "meant the vacation to connect his children to a past not as privileged as the one they knew in Park Ridge, as well as to maintain a strong sense of family."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20080308_LAKE_WINOLA__Pa__-_Ice_still_covers_the_lake__Shades_NO_HEAD_SPECIFIED.html



When asked what it would mean for the region if Clinton were elected president, she replied, "I think it would mean you would have a friend and real partner in the White House. Someone who has a great deal of affection for the people here and knows how hard people have struggled the last 50 years."

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19376067&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=618523&rfi=6
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:28 PM
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23. I have lots of "homes"
I was born in St Louis, where my family is original founders. I grew up in California. I lived my adult life between Montana and Oregon. My parents and siblings live in Arkansas and I've lived there a few months, spent a lot of time visiting. I lived on the Mississippi Gulf for a time, Reno, and Washington and Idaho, now that I think a minute. But I have strong emotional ties to St Louis, CA and MT; lesser to OR and AR. It's not unusual, although it does seem Hillary pops up with some special tie to a place she had a sandwich in back in 1979 or something.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:00 AM
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6. thank you for the post!
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:10 AM
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8. I voted Obama, but...
I &^(&^&*^ HATE it when he mentions downstate Illinois. He did nothing to fix our problems. All politicians in Illinois care about is Chicago, and leave downstate to rot. All our manufacturing jobs have been shipped off, fewer and fewer family farms, and payday loan joints as far as the eye can see.

And it's funny, because the folks that had money back when things were pretty good still have money, and make even more now. Those folks work harder and harder to separate themselves from the rest of us.

Obama, voted for you, donated to you, but don't kid yourself about downstate Illinois. We're still neck deep, and nothing has changed.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:21 AM
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9. .
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:13 PM
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17. I feel the same way about South Jersey, where I grew up
New Jersey politics is very centered around North Jersey. In 2006, they had a Senate debate in South Jersey, and it was insulting how little both candidates knew about the region.


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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:56 PM
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11. kick
:kick:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:58 PM
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12. Thank you for this lovely, positive post.
:-)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:58 PM
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24. I know this is what most folks want to see here
I respect that.

Thanks.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:46 PM
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16. There goes the neighborhood.
:rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:36 PM
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20. hey
easy now.
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:17 PM
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22. i'll kick this one too n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:55 PM
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25. thanks
:kick:
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:45 PM
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29. I always dig your posts (nt)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:48 AM
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30. cool, thanks
I'm digging posting them. :hi:
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