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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:31 PM
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Hillary Clinton Announces "Insourcing" Agenda At 21st Century Jobs Summit



In Pittsburgh today, Hillary Clinton announced a groundbreaking policy initiative that would eliminate tax incentives for companies that outsource jobs and use the savings to encourage U.S. companies to create – or “insource” – jobs here in the United States. Her insourcing agenda provides $7 billion per year in new tax benefits and investments to help companies create high-paying, high-quality jobs here in the U.S. and to compete in the global economy. Hillary made the announcement at an economic summit hosted by the campaign focused on “Jobs For the 21st Century.” The event also marked the end of Hillary’s six-day Solutions For The American Economy Tour.

Her insourcing plan would enact the largest expansion of tax benefits for research and job growth; create at least 15 new “Innovation and Research Clusters” across the country, launch a new “Insourcing Markets Tax Credit” to spur business investment communities facing global competition, and catalyze the 21st Century manufacturing sector with several bold new programs, including the “Made Green In America” Fund, which would provide $500 million annually in investments to encourage the creation of high-wage jobs in clean energy manufacturing technologies.

“We reward companies like Exxon-Mobil who park $56 billion in profits overseas because they don’t have to pay a dime in U.S. taxes on those profits. And we’re using your tax dollars to reward companies that ship your jobs overseas,” said Clinton. “My insourcing agenda is based on a different approach. I believe our government should get out of the business of rewarding companies for shipping jobs overseas, and get back into the business of rewarding companies that create good, high-wage jobs – with good benefits – right here in America.”

Hillary discussed the details of her proposal during her campaign’s “Jobs For The 21st Century” summit, which took place at the local International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) Conference Center & Training Facility.




Clinton started her day touring the Pittsburgh Life Sciences Greenhouse, a biotechnology initiative and non-profit organization that provides resources and tools to entrepreneurial life sciences enterprises to advance their research and patient care. She then came to the IBEW center and toured the training facility before hosting two panels about the emerging economy and job growth.

The first panel focused on how research and technology will be a primary driver for jobs of the future. During the first panel dicussion, Hillary was joined by John Manzetti, President and CEO of Pittsburgh Life Sciences Greenhouse; Don Smith, Vice President of Economic Development for Carnegie Mellon and University of Pittsburgh; and Christine Pambianchi, Senior Vice President, Corning, Inc.

During the next panel, a second group of local and national experts discussed workforce redevelopment and green jobs. Panelists joining Hillary included, Dave Malone, Chair of the Pennsylvania Workforce Investment Board; Marge Krueger, Administrative Director to the Vice President, Communications Workers of America International; Bill Cagney, Business Manager for Operating Engineers Local 95; and Dr. Nabil Nasr from the Center for Integrated Manufacturing Studies.



In the same conference hall where, four years ago, state leaders heard testimony about why Pittsburgh should go into state receivership, Sen. Hillary Clinton today talked to about 450 invited guests about how she'd return economic vitality to the region.

"Wall Street doesn't care about your products in the pipeline," Clinton said in the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local #5 conference center in the South Side. The event, broken into two panel discussions with an audience looking on, was dubbed the "21st Century Jobs Summit."

Gov. Ed Rendell, who introduced Clinton today, touted her plan to sell Rebuild America Bonds modeled on the War Bonds of World War II. The bonds would pay for billions of dollars in infrastructure repairs and, Clinton has said, create jobs.



"State and local investment is 75 percent of our infrastructure" repairs, Rendell said. "We can't do it alone."

Clinton said she would help add 5 million jobs to the economy over 10 years by leveraging government investment for research into alternative sources of power to create a clean energy industry.

"Pennsylvania is a huge success story in clean energy," because of Rendell's state grants, Clinton said. People are researching clean energy in "garages and basements" because the federal government hasn't invested enough.




"We have to get back to really answering the call to America to seize the future once again. I obviously believe we can do this. I'm confident and optimistic," she said. (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/02/851362.aspx) "Today I'm announcing my 'Insourcing' agenda. You know, we hear so much about outsourcing. We all know what that is. It's when we lose jobs to other countries and I want to put and end to that."

The plan, she said, would help promote research centers around the country by encouraging partnerships between universities, private businesses and state and local governments, provide $5 billion in tax credits to companies to help them compete globally and would invest $500 million a year to encourage the creation of clean energy jobs.

"Today I'm proposing one of the largest expansions of tax benefits for research and job growth in a generation,” she said. “We have to update our tools for rewarding innovation. The research-and-development tax credit, for example, has been a successful, cost-effective tool to increase investment in research jobs here in the United States. When I'm president, we will increase it by 50 percent. We'll also invest in basic research."






on a lighter note . . .

In a late night discussion with the press, a beer-wielding Hillary Clinton mulled over the idea of challenging Barack Obama to a free-throw contest. Her idea came just hours after challenging Obama to a “bowl-off” during an April Fools' Day joke aimed at the press.

“He has already challenged me to basketball instead,” Clinton said. “I know, I vaguely heard that from someone, and I said I'd have to train a while but I would take him on.”

Clinton, who on occasion will visit the back of the plane (where the press sits), found comfort in discussing basketball after a long day of campaigning. The discussion unlocked memories of the “dark ages,” as Clinton put it, of when she used to play the sport as a child.

“I had free throws down pat but they were all underhanded,” Clinton admitted, pointing out “that's how I was raised to throw free throws."



"When I played basketball in the dark ages, young women could not play full-court basketball. So I would play full court basketball with my brothers and the boys in the neighborhood," Clinton said proudly.

Sometimes these candid discussions leave the press scratching their heads like when Clinton was asked if she watched bowling on television, which led her to wax philosophically about the sociological wonders of the sport.

“Bowling alone you know, this is a big sociological phenomenon, bowling alone is a sign of our times, we could bring it back we could like transform the entire society. People would start joining leagues again they would feel a sense of community a sense of togetherness, exactly, bowling alleys everywhere on every corner, people setting pins again. End the automation, get the pin boy, there is no telling what could happen!"



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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:33 PM
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1. That's like Dracula announcing a blood donation drive.
Must be another April fools joke.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:03 PM
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7. ROFL
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:13 PM
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15. your post fits in the First post---immature.
Alexander (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 03:03 PM
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7. ROFL

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:15 PM
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17. Too bad you can't refute anything with facts. Like all those jobs that went to India...
on Hillary's watch.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:22 PM
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27. to bad it was you with the approval of the first post. I made no claim.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:27 PM
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30. If you bothered to read, you'd know why we aren't impressed by her "insourcing" speech...
mainly because of NAFTA and the jobs she helped ship to India. Sorry, but she's not trustworthy on this issue.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:29 PM
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35. you did not say anything of substance in your snark post. I do not ASSume
to know what is on your mind
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:42 PM
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46. And you did? Give me a break. You post more caps than you do facts.
"I do not ASSume to know what is on your mind"

And I did? No. You may not "ASSume" but you sure make an ass out of yourself.

I keep telling you, the brown acid isn't good for you.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:05 PM
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58. And the "insourcing" will be covered by her unlimited H1-B visa program. nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:02 PM
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57. You're a one man flame war.
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 04:09 PM by Bleachers7
Every thread you jump into gets hijacked.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:11 AM
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79. ha ha thanks for the kicks



Bleachers7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 04:02 PM
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57. You're a one man flame war.

Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 04:09 PM by Bleachers7
Every thread you jump into gets hijacked.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:11 PM
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14. Distrupting a positive thread shows IMMATURE behavior.
Bleachers7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 02:33 PM
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1. That's like Dracula announcing a blood donation drive.

Must be another April fools joke.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:15 PM
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19. Responding with no facts and ALL CAPS shows freeping behavior.
Good job.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:21 PM
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24. One word was in cap. You lied.


Responding with no facts and ALL CAPS shows freeping behavior.

Good job.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:28 PM
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32. As if that makes it any less obnoxious. You posted more caps than you did facts.
You lie on a consistent basis, multiple times in each thread. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:34 PM
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39. As I said ---I do not mind read. You had no facts to respond to.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:45 PM
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49. I never claimed to read minds, or claimed that you did.
"You had no facts to respond to."

I never do when I'm responding to your posts.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:15 PM
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20. since you can't refute, you may as well throw up some faux outrage... OUTRAGE!!!!
:rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:17 PM
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22. hard to refute the silliness
all of the cartoon characters . . .
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:29 PM
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34. I agree, the OP is incredibly silly.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:59 PM
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56. I know. Hillary talking about saving jobs is a joke.
:rofl:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:58 PM
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55. hypocrite
And pointing out Hillary's hypocrisy is not disruptive.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:02 PM
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61. It's the "Abomination Way"
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:23 AM
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83. NO, it sometimes indicates a willingness to question the content of the post.
:eyes:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:39 PM
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44. When you and the guy below you post in a thread I can be happy knowing I won't waste time...
...reading your drivel.

It's the new posters whose names aren't familiar that I have to worry about. You guys, are gems in the rough.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:50 PM
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53. Stop it.
That was such an inappropriate response. I like the idea of insourcing. God knows we've lost way too many jobs.

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:36 PM
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2. Well, good on her
This is the sort of positive campaigning I like to see. She's promoting some good ideas and I also like (in the latter part of the discussion) how she can express her competitive side without being confrontational about it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:01 PM
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5. I like the focus
Jobs, jobs, jobs
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:41 PM
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3. Interesting concept by Hillary I must admit. It will be tough sell but interesting nonetheless. A
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 02:47 PM by oviedodem
potential pitfall is that the companies may IMPORT overseas talent paying them less on the dollar. Now while they will not get away with the paltry salaries they pay now for outsourcing, they can in theory (through H1 Visas e.g.), get labor from overseas and pay them less than what an American will demand.

It is kind of like reverse outsourcing in a way using American workers (this is sad that we have to say it that way). I personally don't believe that we as an economy can go full bore in the green sector without first stabilizing the overall economy, gearing up the "green" AND then going all-out.

Iraq is a HUGE lynch pin in all this.

Overall, though, her basic concept here actually takes Obama's desire to remove the tax breaks for outsourcing a step further.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:12 PM
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62. This Obama supporter likes her idea very much. It's the kind of thing we should
be doing in this country. We have to make it financially unsavory to these corporations to outsource jobs. If they insist on doing so, fine, but it should be extremely painful and not cost-effective in the least. They're doing it to save money and break the backs of labor and bring workers to their knees so they'll take whatever crumbs are offered. That whole sordid business ethic has to be kicked straight in the nuts. If it hurts the bottom line to do that, corporate America will stop doing that. That's their ONLY motivation. So... how 'bout we "motivate" them BUT GOOD?

I'm glad Clinton is bringing this up. If she winds up winning, hopefully she'll bring this into office with her, and I'd support it EAGERLY!!! If not, hopefully Obama will bring a similar idea into office with him. It's the kind of carrot-and-stick approach we need to be taking with corporate America (that, AND rescinding that bullshit policy of their "corporate personhood" status).

It's a VERY good idea. Make it hurt like hell to outsource. Make it feel very sweet to keep the jobs here.

And I'd also do away with the "Cayman Islands Loophole," too.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:44 PM
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4. My basic problem with her at this point is I don't believe a word she says. nt
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:21 PM
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26. Yep.
Whatever it takes to get a vote.

She's too little, too late with me on this issue.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:02 PM
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6. ahem
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: do you even get the irony of this? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:09 PM
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11. No. Senator Clinton has an excellent record on promoting and facilitating job growth
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:13 PM
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16. yeah, like the negative job growth she created in Buffalo with her indian Tata buddies...
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:16 PM
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21. actually, I blame Guliani and Pataki for job losses in New York
I wouldn't think that senators have as much of an opportunity to influence job development in individual states unless they're subsidizing them with the pork of some government largess.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:21 PM
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25. What would Giuliani have to do with job losses upstate? NT
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:28 PM
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31. Well, not much there, but, he supported Pataki in every one of his initiatives.
Clinton did not.

I suppose one could, similarly, blame Sen. Obama for job losses in Illinois during his term.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:30 PM
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36. So Clinton's friends in India have no bearing on NY jobs going there?
In that case, I'd like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. But I need the money first.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:37 PM
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42. NYS actually gained jobs, but people blame Hillary for loses in the north.
NYS gained a million plus jobs in her tenure. But because they weren't in the North people lie and say Hillary failed. She didn't. The North is its own paradigm.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:04 PM
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8. ATFAN anyone?
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:05 PM
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9. Wow, she went from a glass of wine to a large beer.
Will we see her with a 40 of Steel Reserve next?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:09 PM
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10. I had read a few lines about her new concept "Insourcing' in a Reuters
article.

thanks--this one has more information
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:11 PM
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13. I imagined some folks here were interested in her proposals
thanks for making the effort worth it :hi:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:09 PM
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12. "Insourcing" is a clever term. I like it.
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:15 PM
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18. clean energy jobs, yes!
nice pics selection too.

for those who are inclined to respond in a negative way to this post, please see this thread first: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5351657 which was posted earlier today by bigtree.

thanks for the post bigtree!

k&r
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:19 PM
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23. She should consider paying the people who are working for her
before talking about others.

$8.7 million in debt. Small vendors, communities, school districts and colleges.

Past Due bills.

Maggie Williams working for NO PAY - Penn & Wolfson deferring their billing.

:crazy:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:31 PM
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37. your concern is noted, but that has nothing to do with these initiatives
It used to be, that, Democrats were scornful of money in these campaigns, now it's being used as a measure of worth. I dunno . . . I look at the debts reported and I have to reflect on the progress her campaign has made, in spite of the disparity in funds.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:48 PM
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51. And your consideration for those who have not been paid is noted as well
can't have jobs w/out money for pay - unless you work for the Clinton campaign where you get both.

A job with no pay.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:24 PM
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28. Thanks BT for the substantive post
I seem to recall proposals from other candidates on these lines (not saying for certain because for me it's late and I can't be bothered to search)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:54 PM
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59. Sen. Obama is talking about "green jobs" in Pa., too
Our party is well-represented there.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:26 PM
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29. K and R
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:28 PM
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33. Bold and innovative economic plan, focus on green technology
The green & high tech investment part is really an extension of what the Clinton/Gore administration wanted to do and Gore would have done in 2000.


Of course, no one at the time could have anticipated how much Bush and Cheney would do to send jobs overseas in the interim.

The great part of her plan is that you know she will fight to get it passed.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:34 PM
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40. green is definitely the job engine of the future
and the only way we're going to institutionalize environmental cleanup and responsibility into our everyday pursuits.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:10 PM
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63. Absolutely
OzarkDemboy #1 is planning to go to grad school to study it. I'm just trying to keep him here and not let him wander off to some unstable third world country.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:32 PM
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38. I read --Bill C. was on the stump talking of her green-jobs technology a
while ago.


It was like putting America back to work--researchers, technologists,
workers---all working together--to make good jobs. healthy enviroment.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:34 PM
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41. Yikes... that "Insourcing" thing scared me...
that term is already in wide use.

She might want to think of a new term to use for her plan.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:42 PM
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48. The term, as she's promoting it, refers to building plants and other facilities in the U.S.
to facilitate U.S. jobs.

The trend toward that has been declining, so, the Clinton plan is to reinvigorate industry with incentives to move those jobs back to the U.S. which have been encouraged by republican initiatives and support to move out of the country.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:46 PM
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50. Yeah, I read it and realized she wasn't using it that way.
Still, for anyone in the industry who might not read it, but instead just react to the term as they know it, it might be a good idea to customize the term somehow...

Thanks for posting this. :hi:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:54 PM
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54. "We hear so much about outsourcing," she said.
"We all know what that is. It's when we lose jobs to other countries. I want to put an end to it. We're going to change the tax code, we're going to change the giveaways to the special interests."

thanks for looking in . . . :hi:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:38 PM
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43. here is a related post (it sank) that I posted -Hillary talk with AFL-CIO:



Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Hillary to unions: I'm with you
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5355335#5355562
5355562, Hillary to unions: I'm with you
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Apr-02-08 01:34 PM

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/20080402_Hillary_to_unions__I_m_with_you.html

Posted on Wed, Apr. 2, 2008


Hillary to unions: I'm with you

By CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Daily News

brennac@phillynews.com 215-854-5973
U.S. SEN. HILLARY Clinton, attacking what she called the "Bush-McCain philosophy" of protecting only the wealthy and the well-connected, vowed yesterday to battle for organized labor.

Speaking in Philadelphia to the Pennsylvania AFL-CIO, Clinton also repeated a series of economic criticisms of her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama.

_ She said that while Obama talks about favoring clean energy, "when he had a chance to do something about it, he actually voted for Dick Cheney's energy bill. I voted against it."

That's a reference to a 2005 vote on legislation that started with the vice president's energy priorities but evolved into a series of negotiations in Congress.

_ She said Obama talks about universal health care but would leave out 15 million Americans, including 400,000 in Pennsylvania.

"I'm not just going to talk about universal health care," Clinton said. "I'm going to get it done."









Associated Press
Sen. Hillary Clinton shakes hands yesterday with Pa. AFL-CIO President Bill George after ending her address to the group.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:55 AM
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66. thanks, rodeodance
:hi:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:17 AM
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80. you bet--and thanks for all your wonderful posts
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:41 PM
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45. Dupe
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 03:42 PM by HughBeaumont
.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:42 PM
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47. Two Lunches.
One for each face.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5313426

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/32

UNbelievable that ANYone thinks Hillary Clinton is on the side of the American work force. Simply UNbelievable.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:48 PM
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52. Wonderful -- may it come to fruition --- NT
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:59 PM
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60. Whatever it takes to get we Americans to care again.
Outsourcing/offshoring has concerned (when not directly affected) a great many people, whose political beliefs cross the spectrum. And some of them are observers from overseas; knowing how our economy, being sliced and diced by offshoring, will be hurting them at one point or another too.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:09 PM
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64. it's definitely a balancing act.
Our gains may mean a loss of opportunity for these other countries
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:19 PM
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65. Three things
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 07:20 PM by HypnoToad
1. When do we go back to fair trade?
2. They have plenty of opportunities while we are bleeding to death. In other words, we are losing opportunities and then we wonder why nobody wants to get educated. Return On Investment, which is so grossly high as well...
3. And if we bleed to death, the global economy will have them bleeding as well. We've seen more than enough proof in the markets of late.

Besides, some media outlets have SOME folks in these "developing economies" pissing on the United States, hoping for comeuppance and all that. Doesn't seem nice as we are the ones developing them... Not all, as there are many people who don't want to see the US to fail.

Edit: Removed one question.

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mnotme Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:11 AM
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67. Good initiative...but...
Doesn't this break international trade agreements? (subsidizing your own industries)

Removing tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas seems like a better idea.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:22 AM
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68. She would have to modify or scrap some agreements, I think
But, some support of industries here would help advance the economy in other countries by providing them with a more stable and growing U.S. market to invest in and do business.

Both candidates call for removing the tax incentives for moving jobs overseas. Here's a summary of Sen Clinton's:

ELIMINATE TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS AND CAPITAL OVERSEAS: Senator Clinton will eliminate the tax incentives and lax enforcement that make it easier to ship jobs and capital overseas:

* Ending Deferral that Rewards Moving Jobs Overseas: Reform the practice currently known as “deferral,” which allows companies to defer paying U.S. taxes on income earned by their foreign subsidiaries.

* Closing Abusive Tax Loopholes: Prevent companies from using approaches like transfer-pricing and cross-crediting to shift assets, production or profits to low-tax jurisdictions. Eliminate the unfair advantage that foreign insurers located in tax havens have against U.S. insurers.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6887
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:29 AM
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69. Nice post Bigtree- Unfortunately it was shit on by a few badly behaved children
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 07:29 AM by Marrah_G
Just keep posting your positives!

K&R
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:25 AM
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70. well, we've got two posts with some substance (issues) from the candidates floating
. . .whether from snark or interest (whiplashing the hell out of the partisans, like myself). That's not such a bad thing :hi:
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:30 AM
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71. Hmmm, sounds like using a garden hose to fill the lake she drained.
Nice try Hill. But we know your stand on NAFTA, and your bullshit is not being bought here.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:38 AM
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73. well, outside of the comments of one or two anonymous 'participants'
. . . who were at one of those "five" NAFTA meetings her schedule shows she attended at the White House, there really is no evidence that she 'supported' NAFTA, outside of a handful of puff quotes pointing to the promises in the agreement. There is certainly no evidence that her influence had anything at all to do with it's passage.

There is evidence is against the notion that Hillary Clinton supported NAFTA at the time of it's passage. Several members of the Clinton administration and Clinton biographers independently confirm that she was critical of NAFTA in the early 1990s. (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6892)


DAVID GERGEN: "I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight and I must tell you Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA. And I think that's putting it mildly. I'm not sure she objected to all the provisions of it but she just didn't see why her husband and that White House had to go and do that fight. She was very unhappy about it and wanted to move on to health care. So I do think there's some justification for her camp saying, you know, she's never been a great backer for NAFTA." David Gergen, Anderson Cooper 360, 2/25/08

DEE DEE MYERS: Q: And you know, Dee Dee, the first thing that came to my mind is, "Come on." What is she going to do?... Meyers: Right, and she did express - I was there too - and she did express reservations about it, as she said. MSNBC, 3/20/08

MICKEY KANTOR: "In August in 92, we had to make a decision," Mickey Kantor the former U.S. Secretary of Commerce, Clinton adviser, and free trade advocate recalled for the Huffington Post. "President Clinton had to make a decision as governor, whether or not he would support NAFTA, and of course he did... Hillary Clinton was one of the great skeptics in the discussion as to whether he should do. So she was always skeptical beginning in 1992 and onward." Huffington Post, 2/14/08

Clinton Biographers:

SALLY BIDELL SMITH: "Liberal Democrats, including Hillary, opposed it primarily because it could take jobs away from American workers. But as an advocate of global economic cooperation, Bill was drawn to its free-trade philosophy." Huffington Post, 2/14/08

CARL BERNSTEIN: "'Bill,'" he recalled Hillary Clinton as saying, "'you are doing Republican economics when you are doing NAFTA.' She was against NAFTA. And if she would somehow come out and tell the real story of what she fought for in the White House and failed in a big argument with her husband she would end up moving much closer to those Edwards followers." Huffington Post, 2/14/08
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:05 AM
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75. Yes, by all means, your "evidence" speaks volumes...
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 09:08 AM by EnviroBat
Several members of the Clinton administration and Clinton biographers independently confirm that she was critical of NAFTA in the early 1990s.


To that I will add this. If this, (she) is sincere, it could be the best thing for this country. We can't afford to be dicked around on an issue this important. Her track record on NAFTA simply isn't clear. We need someone who we can believe on the issue of NAFTA.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:34 AM
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72. "And here Mrs. Clinton you can clearly see you chances of winning..."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:20 AM
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81. yes, her economic--green jobs puts reseachers, technicians, workers and others to work
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:43 AM
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74. Thanks for Posting Bigtree
Great Post and pictures..

Go Hillary!!

:kick:
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:23 AM
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76. Good post, BigTree
I like the title she gave it.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:59 AM
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77. .
"We have to get back to really answering the call to America to seize the future once again. I obviously believe we can do this. I'm confident and optimistic," she said.



With Hillary at the helm I DO believe.



Great Post Mr. big. B-) Thanks


:kick:
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:59 AM
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78. giving this one a kick too n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:20 AM
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82. Has she PUBLICLY DENOUNCED these policies of her husband:
Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region."

The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement."

In her memoir, Clinton wrote, "Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for president in 1996. He couldn't hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill's successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

-snip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hillary-clinton-pretends-_b_86747.html



Clinton to renew Normal Trade Relations with China



June 2, 1999
Web posted at: 4:51 p.m. EDT (2051 GMT)


WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, June 2) -- President Bill Clinton will notify Congress Thursday that he is renewing China's most-favored-nation (MFN) trading status -- now known as Normal Trade Relations (NTR) -- for another year, CNN has confirmed.

MFN/NTR status offers low tariffs and treats countries as normal trading partners.

The formal notification, required by the Thursday deadline, is expected to trigger a major debate in the House and Senate due to allegations of Chinese espionage against the U.S. and other recent diplomatic tensions, including charges China tried to influence the 1996 presidential election with illegal campaign contributions.

One of the first speak out against Clinton decision, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-California), derided the president for making the decision near the 10th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

-snip

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/06/02/china.mfn/




Clinton Proposes Renewing China's Most-Favored Trade Status

Congressional reaction mixed amidst larger China policy issues


WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, June 3) -- President Bill Clinton on Wednesday proposed renewing most-favored-nation (MFN) trade status for China, saying it was "clearly in our nation's interest" as he urged Congress to support the request.

-snip

House Speaker Newt Gingrich welcomed Clinton's recommendation for renewing MFN status for China, and vowed to work in a bipartisan manner to ensure that China receives it from Congress.

Gingrich, joined by Reps. Bill Archer (R-Texas) and Philip Crane (R-Ill.), made his comments in a letter to Clinton.

-snip

House Democratic leader Richard Gephardt issued a statement Wednesday opposing Clinton's plan to extend China's trading status for another year.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/03/china.trade/

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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:11 AM
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84. Thanks bigtree ...

always informative, interesting reads. Too bad the serial snarkers had to show up.

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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:56 PM
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85. since there was no Hillary thread from today
(at least i couldn't find one) i'll give this one a kick back up.

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