Hillary to Richardson: "He cannot win Bill. He Cannot win." does she know something we don't?

[truthpusher]

from ABC News - posted tonight:


April 02, 2008 7:39 PM


Candidate Clinton to Richardson: 'Barack Obama Can't Win'

ABC News' George Stephanopoulos Reports: Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and former President Bill Clinton are making very direct arguments to Democratic superdelegates, starkly insisting Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., cannot win a general election against presumptive Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

Sources with direct knowledge of the conversation between Sen. Clinton and Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M., prior to the Governor's endorsement of Obama say she told him flatly, "He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win."

Richardson, who served in President Clinton's cabinet, disagreed.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/candidate-clint.html

[DJ13]

1. The lady with near 50% negatives has become delusional

:eyes:

[Texas Hill Country]

74. she has been on the national scene for 20+ years, obama for 1...

says alot that their negative ratings are similar since he is relatively unvetted.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

78. Her negatives are up to 55% now. nt

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

2. Delusion will only carry people so far

sooner or later, reality sets in

[boppers]

68. It took my great uncle 35 years.

Oh, and the invention of newer anti-psychotic meds.

Sometimes, delusion *is* reality, for the remainder of a person's lifetime.

[ORDem]

3. I think it's simply a lack of imagination (or inability to deal with anything other than her own

reality). Nothing more.

:dem:

[SoonerPride]

4. "Trust me, Bill, no one in America will really elect a black man to live in the WHITE WHITE HOUSE"

Disgusting.

[DearAbby]

34. Disgusting is right

:wow:

[Kber]

42. Is this quote in the article?

I didn't see it, but maybe I missed it?

Or are you expratolating?

[SoonerPride]

47. That was my take on it. It's not a direct quote, but it might as well be.

It made me sick to my stomach when i read the article.

[anamandujano]

49. Typical Obamaniac response. It's always about race.

[Zhade]

65. When his opponent is a race-baiter, it's not an unreasonable assumption.

NT!

[LostinVA]

76. No, thus the use of quotation marks is at best disingenuous

[mrJJ]

5. Prediction

She told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos some other BS a while back. Her prediction didn't work out the well either ROFLMAO.. See for yourself.

Over By February 5th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

[merh]

30. lol - that's funny

welcome to DU :hi:

[tpsbmam]

6. No, she doesn't....

She's his opponent and so her opinion is naturally weighted with some bias. But besides that, there are many, many people who support Obama who disagree with that assessment, and among those are people who have just as much inside knowledge and are as politically savvy as she is. Her supporters think she's the candidate who can beat McCain, Obama's supporters think he can, and there are many who have yet to voice their opinions. Hers isn't any more valid than any of the high-profile politicians who support Obama. She may believe that or it may be a political ploy -- either way, she doesn't having any way or knowing that.

[Kermit77]

9. She's going to look pretty stupid next year when Obama is inaugurated

Didn't Hillary also say in January that that she will win the Democratic nomination? "How's that workin out for ya, Hill?"

[SoCalDem]

71. They'll have to peel her off the bumper of the motorcade limo

as it takes the Obamas to the Inauguration..

[laundry_queen]

80. omg, LOL. What a visual. n/t

[BootinUp]

7. Wow, this is big news. I'll file it with the Obama campaign claims that she can't win.

[chascarrillo]

32. Obama's already said that Clinton can win the general. Your chosen candidate has no class.

[Unsane]

8. aaaand that's a wrap, folks

Hillary Clinton has lost this race

[Hoof Hearted]

10. I would think that would be considered common sense. He can't win.

It's not rocket science. :shrug:

[Erin Elizabeth]

11. Why not?

Specifics, please.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

15. Yes, yes. I would be oh so interested in discovering what facts back up

this profound knowledge.

[DerekJ]

12. Thank God you are not responsible for your country's rockets.

We would be having one massive fireworks.

[SoonerPride]

14. Well, seeing as how he can beat ol' Hills , he can stomp mccain into the ground

Thanks for your insightful nonsense

[gabeana]

63. especially with those gallup numbers on electability

what do you know that they don't know

[DinahMoeHum]

13. Methinks Hillary is whistling past the graveyard.

:kick:

[frylock]

38. with a mouthful of crackers

[Moochy]

52. What About Hillary's Base?

Oh you mean RITZ crackers....

[thunder rising]

16. If only the world could see the world as Hillary and Bill see it....

[SwampG8r]

60. you mean like this?

where they are our benevolent masters?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

17. In "Archie Bunker advises the Hillary campaign"...

truth need not be based in reality.

[elfin]

18. She THINKS she knows that USA is more racist

than misogynist.

She is from the 60's, seeing the raw divisions and the hatred/violence therein.

She has worked to heal the breach -- and it is now repaired enough (especially amongst the younger voters) to do her in.

As Obama has said -- She represents to past - he is the future.

Either one is chancy against McPain -- but I am going with Obama, with high regard and respect for her work to make this possible.

[Bok_Tukalo]

19. We'll see

<POE>

[anigbrowl]

20. If she knows something we don't, it wasn't enough to persuade Bill Richardson

Richardson is no political virgin. If Team Clinton were aware of something that they sincerely believed would Obama politically radioactive, Richardson is certainly smart enough to see how it would play in the GE.

If these reports are true, I think it's sad that Hillary has been reduced to arguing on the basis of expediency rather than merit; and frankly, it reminds me of a lot of posts on DU saying things like 'Obama can't win the GE' but without offering any substantial reasons. Sure, the Republicans will fling a big old pile of mud in his direction - but the same thing would happen to her.

[Whisp]

21. two possible meanings:

He cannot win #1 = It is impossible for Obama to win because... he's this, he's that, he's not that, the people are......or are not.....

He cannot win #2 = I will not let him win, I will do Anything so that he does not win.

Hillary is #2. yes she is.

[Samantha]

22. She egregiously tried to sling so much crap at him he would

appear to be unelectable; and that is her case to the superdelegates to swing her way and give her the nomination. How unfortunate it is when candidates cannot cleanly take an election contest, he or she resorts to acts of desperation to win. And Hillary does now appear desperate. Just my take ....

[Laelth]

23. Quite frankly, I hope she did say that.

That's the only rationale I can see that justifies her staying in the race. Only if she truly believes that she is the only chance the Democratic Party has to regain the White House can I forgive the way she has run her campaign and the damage she has done to the Party. Blindness I can forgive.

Of course, I disagree with her. I think Obama can definitely win, but if you had asked me about his chances a year ago, I would have agreed with Hillary. Perhaps she has campaign blinders on. I had to change my mind and reassess Obama. I was astounded when I cam to the conclusion that he could win. Perhaps Hillary hasn't quite gotten there yet. If she hasn't, I can understand.

I truly, truly hope that she did, indeed, say, "He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win."

If not, what she is doing is unforgivable.

-Laelth

[Major Hogwash]

24. Hillary's history, she's yesterday's news, last week's gossip, last month's headline.

Last year's presumptive nominee.

On April 23rd, Hillary will say "I'm staying in the race until the convention" - even after she loses in Pennsylvania!!!!

Wanna bet?

[BlueIdaho]

25. She has to believe that

It doesn't matter if its true or not - if she didn't believe that she would have no reason to continue this disaster of a campaign.

[IndianaGreen]

26. Obama has beaten the vaunted Clinton machine

Anyone that can beat the Clintons, can defeat the GOP.

[george_maniakes]

27. IF this story can be confirmed, shes obviously crossed the line. How the fuck can you have...

a respectful race with her if she's denying the fact that obama can even win? This is like scorched earth tactics.

How the hell does she campaign for him? "yes im campaigning for obama even though i dont think he can win"

[Stephanie]

29. Who wants her?

She can sit this one out. She's done enough damage.

[Tennessee Gal]

28. The truth hurts.

He cannot win the GE.

Wake up people!

[SoonerPride]

31. And why not? If she can't beat a sure loser, how can she even hope to win in November?

There is a serious lack of logic in that equation.

Try and convince me otherwise.

[Hepburn]

35. You're speaking intelligently to a Clinton supporter....

...LOL!

[SoonerPride]

37. I never give up on trhem unti lthey spew vitriol in my face, then they get put in a box

But I try to engage people and see if there is a thought process or if they are a minah bird.

[Tennessee Gal]

45. Okay.

Democrats are well known for nominating candidates with little chance of winning the GE.

That is a fact.

Mondale ring a bell?

McGovern ring a bell?

Dukakis ring a bell?

[SoonerPride]

46. Again, if he's a sure loser, he should be easy to beat in some damn PRIMARIES don't ya think?

Or maybe, Clinton expects her vapid supporters to whine and not vote for the party nominee if it ain't her.

We must be united and strong and maybe she knows that with her supporters it's a cult of personality. People have been dreaming of her day in the sun for so long that if it fails to come to pass they will whine and pout and freak out and won't put party in front of personality.

So maybe she's right. Obama can't win.

But I damn sure know that the person who keeps LOSING to Obama has ZERO argument about her ability to win any elections. Otherwise she'd be WINNING right now instead of running out of money and about to drop out of the race.

[leftynyc]

79. You're comparing primary season to the GE

Which is very dishonest. It's mostly dems voting in the dem primaries.

Frankly, I think both are weak candidates who are going to have trouble in the GE - her likeability (or lack thereof) and his inexperience is going to make this a very close, nailbiting election. The pubs are nominating the right person - I always felt he would be the hardest to beat because he does poll well with indies and moderates - why, I'm not sure because one only has to look at his voting record which is disgustingly conservative. He also has a very good relationship with the press which we all know is good for 2-3 percentage points in the GE.

[Mooney]

62. Then if they nominate Hillary

doesn't that mean she'll lose?

[Johnny__Motown]

39. No, McCain can't win the GE and Hillary can't win the nomination

[anigbrowl]

44. The truth is Hillary can't win the GE. Also, I'm right and you're wrong. Because that's how it is.

[Zhade]

66. You do realize reading the future is impossible, right?

At any rate, since she's not going to get the nom, you'd better hope he DOES win against McLame.

[JVS]

33. There must have been some lady in the South that didn't think it was right that black people had...

to give up their seats for white passengers. On the other hand her feet sure got sore from standing sometimes.

[JackORoses]

36. This is their reaction to Obama's PA upswing

[Colobo]

40. So, why can't he win? Because he's black? Because he has a funny name?

C'mon Hillary, come clean.

[MediaBabe]

53. Yes and yes.

And Hillary cannot win because she is female. What the hell have we Democrats done? Just my opinion, of course.

[lynne]

41. If nominated, Obama had better win -

- because I don't think we can stand four years of Hillary and Bill's "I Told You So's". :banghead:

[Levgreee]

43. "He cannot win" because then Hillary's DLC political ties, and money connections, will be let down

lots of promises she is not living up to. People were counting on her

[NoodleyAppendage]

48. The sad delusions of a power hungry, hubris-lacking, DINO Repuke-lite, PAIN-IN-THE-ASS.

Clinton is so sad. What a pathetic waste of intellect.

J

[zulchzulu]

50. Shhhhhh.... He's black, yunno...

Imagine both Hill and Bill yucking it up with Bill Richardson and then saying how darkies like Obama will just never be elected... winky winky nod nod...

DISGUSTING.

[Alexander]

51. Ask Herman Munster about that.

[bilgewaterbill]

54. Maybe she means he cannot be allowed to win? Instead of "it's not possible."

[KaptBunnyPants]

55. If she knew something about Obama that would ruin him, it would be out by now.

It would have been released to FOX right after his speech to seize control of the news cycle. It's not like we can pretend any longer that Hillary is above such tactics. If it could save her campaign, she'd have done it. This is simple bluster, a self-rationalizing lie she tells herself and others to explain why she's turned on her former allies.

[Thickasabrick]

56. Who didn't get a kick out of Bill's red face?......lol nt

[Johnny__Motown]

57. Here is video of exactly what Hillary knows about this primary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

[paulk]

58. well, since her husband was the only Democrat to win the

Presidency in the last three decades - maybe she knows what it takes to win a national election?

The Clintons are 2 - 0.

The rest of the party are 0 - 5.

[CalGator]

70. and soon she'll be 0-1 nt

[paulk]

72. I'll bet you had to squeeze every last brain cell

to come up with that reply....

[superkia]

59. Maybe she was saying " Bill for the sake of the elite, he cant win!"

[TTUBatfan2008]

61. Sinclair and Wright...

that's probably what she thinks will sink him.

[scheming daemons]

67. Sinclair? You mean the guy who FAILED a lie-detector test? Come on.....

....

You're not that stupid.... or you're a troll from F.R.

[Zhade]

64. It's the "we must not let him" version of "cannot", not the possibility one.

Just more desperation from Camp clinton.

[boppers]

69. A Translation:

"Since I long ago sold my soul to corporations, because I thought that was the only way to win, Obama cannot win unless he does the same. Admitting otherwise would make my entire life a shameful act of immoral pandering, and I just refuse to accept that possibility."

She'd basically have to realize her *whole life* was a total sham, before she could then accept that he can win.

Convention night's gonna be hard on her.

[truthpusher]

73. .

[snooper2]

75. Nope, she doesn't....

She is just saying and doing whatever the fuck she can to be Queen Clinton for 4 years...

[Lucky 13]

77. Just because you SAY something over and over and over again does not make it true.

"I won the lottery! I won the lottery! I won the lottery!"

Nope. Still poor and screwed.

[Vinca]

81. If the Clintons thought they had an ace up their sleeves, they would

have played it by now. They're running out of both time and money.