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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:06 AM
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Since DU is a good contrarian indicator of political success for both candidates and issues, Obama
should start planning his exit strategy. All the DU indicators have peeked and the despair and whinning of his supportors will be with us until Nov.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:14 AM
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1. unfortunately Dean and other DU heros and DU want the latest Starbucks crowd hero - and Rove will
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 09:14 AM by papau
pick him apart so damn easily.


http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/2008/04/karl-rove-likes.html

What did you think of the red-phone 3 a.m. ad?
It was a gutsy, dangerous move. She figured out that she had to do something to raise the issue of: Is he fit to be president? And this was a way to do it. I happened to be in Texas a week before the ad popped, and all of her surrogates were hitting him pretty hard on the thinness of his experience. They were pretty brutal. And this ad sort of fed into that.

Isn't that the kind of ad you would have done?

Uh, look, that's the problem. She can't run an ad—you know, the more powerful ads she can't run against him, because she's afraid of looking too moderate. He's got essentially… His argument is twofold. "Vote for me because I'll bring Republicans and Democrats together; we're not red states, blue states, we're the United States." And second of all—and he said this most passionately in the Wisconsin victory speech: "There are big issues facing the country, and it requires leadership and energy to solve them." Well, the two best counters to those are Hillary saying, "I've actually worked with Republicans and Democrats to get things done." Or McCain saying, even more pointedly, "On all the big issues where Republicans and Democrats have come together, I've been in the middle of bringing them together, and you've been way out there on the fringe. When we pulled together the Gang of Fourteen, you were out on the fringe. When we pulled together a bipartisan answer on the terrorist-surveillance program, you were way out there on the fringe. When Democrats and Republicans, regardless of where they were on the war, came together to give our troops everything they needed while they were in combat, you were way out there on the fringe." Now, she can do some of that, because she's actually tried to work with Republicans over the years. He has not since he got there. He's been coolly detached and sitting on the side. His fingerprints are on, at most, a couple of small items. And then, on the leadership issue, she can say, "Look, I've been in the middle of these big battles. I've been providing the leadership. Sometimes we won, sometimes we lost. But at least I've been involved." And McCain will be able to sharpen that even more.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:21 AM
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2. "Hillary Clinton is winning and Obama has been soundly defeated"
"Oh..... and Death to the Infidels"

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